collison/mayo are better than williams/johnson

[scorp72]

joe johnson

17/3/3 40%fg/38%fg salary: 19 mil

deron williams

16/7/3 41% fg/35% 3pt fg salary: 17 mil

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collison: 12/5/3 48% fg/38% 3pt salary: 2 mil


mayo: 18/4/4 46% fg / 41% 3pt salary: 4mil


and people dissed cuban for not going after williams hard with a 75 million dollar contract

man, collie/ mayo play really well together, and they are unselfish with each other, and they are unselfish with others. I smell a rip/billups type of tandem brewing. Cubes keep them together!..do not tamper with the backcourt!! they are efficient, and let them grow


cubes def getting the last laugh...Bk is paying 36 million for a **** BC, and dallas is paying 6 million for an efficient BC

[iyad-carter]

D-Will is not at 100%.
Johnson and Mayo haven't same game but Johnson is better than Mayo in clutch time ...

[branny]

If not traded/leave the team, both could get around 17m altogether which is still less than JJ

[mffl_14]

Those stats don't tell the whole story. For example we are the 11th seed in the west and Brooklyn is the 4th in the east. Stats aren't always comparable. But regardless I would rather have a team that's in the top 4 than the top 11 and that's one stat you can't argue. If Cuban is getting the last laugh it's because he's got people like you believing he's a basketball genius.

[dirkforpres]

Not at all better than either one of the Nets guards.... JJ is better than Mayo simply because of what both can do in the 4th quarter.... with that being said, Neither Williams or Johnson are worth their contracts

[scorp72]

good record does not mean good team, and bad record does not mean bad team.

Dallas is top ten in offense ,and why does dallas have a bad record?...

I'll tell you why.

1. Dallas was basically an expansion team in the beginning of the season. Dallas started 4 new players, with marion being in and out of the lineup. crowder,kaman,mayo,collison,brand were the new players who came into dallas, and throw in murphy, who got significant playing time, that's 6 players who had never played with each other or played under RC or played for dallas. ...they weren't going to come out being a great team.

2. Dirk Nowitzki missed the preseason and most of the first half of the season because of surgery. The franchise player was unavailable to build any type of chemistry with the team, so dallas was **** coming out of the gate, and mayo had to carry the team.

But now, dallas is a different ball club. They are playing as a team, and everyone appears to be comfortable with each other.

lakers are 26-29. Portland is 25-29 and dallas is 24-29. ...Dallas is right there fighting for that 8th playoff, and considering the lakers' payroll is around 100 million dollars, and dallas' payroll is under 70 million, I say cuban is def getting the last laugh, and will continue to get the last laugh.


Brooklyn is not winning a ring any time soon, and joe johnson has been overrated for his entire career, and williams is just flat out out of shape, and they are making a combine 36 mil this year, and keep in mind williams is a notorious coach killer( both players are toxic as hell) .......Cuban paid 6 million dollars for a backcourt that is more efficient and extremely durable, and they continue to get better and better, while brooklyn's backcourt continue to get worse and worse ......Cuban not only dodged a bullet, but he picked up meaningful ammunition on the way

[mffl_14]

good record does not mean good team, and bad record does not mean bad team.

Well usually when the season ends or when playoff's start that's how it works so I'm sorry but that's just incorrect. I do agree the Mavs started off worse because they didn't have Dirk but it's not like they have been lighting it up since he's been back. I don't care who averages what. All I care about is wins and this team hasn't done enough of it.

I get that you can look at some basic stats and compare salaries but there's a reason why this team signed Derek Fisher to take over at one point during the season for Collison and Mike James as well. For what Mayo is getting paid I agree he's been decent. But the guy typically chokes when it counts (at least this year) and Collison is no better than a solid back up PG.

There isn't one person who wouldn't say that JJ is overpaid. And there will be some that say DWill is too but you couldn't convince me that this team wouldn't be better with DWill as the PG than having Collison and Mayo.

[Deus]

Cuban paid 6 million dollars for a backcourt that is more efficient and extremely durable, and they continue to get better and better, while brooklyn's backcourt continue to get worse and worse ......Cuban not only dodged a bullet, but he picked up meaningful ammunition on the way

I agree partly.

OJ still has serious issues in the last 2 minutes of games. He has lost 3-4 games by himself this season that were winnable if he hadn't turned the ball over.

Darren Collison is still a work in progress. I didn't think he was a starter a month ago and still don't. He makes too many mistakes in crunch time.

What I do agree with is that they are awesome pickups compared to D-Will and JJ. D-Will especially. The most over-rated player in the league imo, for his salary that is. JJ is obviously better in crunch time, but his game has declined significantly in the last 2 years. Vince is better, and at Vince's price he's all-NBA.

[PetroNet]

joe johnson

17/3/3 40%fg/38%fg salary: 19 mil

deron williams

16/7/3 41% fg/35% 3pt fg salary: 17 mil

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collison: 12/5/3 48% fg/38% 3pt salary: 2 mil


mayo: 18/4/4 46% fg / 41% 3pt salary: 4mil


and people dissed cuban for not going after williams hard with a 75 million dollar contract

man, collie/ mayo play really well together, and they are unselfish with each other, and they are unselfish with others. I smell a rip/billups type of tandem brewing. Cubes keep them together!..do not tamper with the backcourt!! they are efficient, and let them grow


cubes def getting the last laugh...Bk is paying 36 million for a **** BC, and dallas is paying 6 million for an efficient BC

cuban got the last laugh... while brooklyn is gunning for HCA in the playoffs, dallas is under .500, and every other thread here is about how to get another pg or sg

[crucifixx]

joe johnson

17/3/3 40%fg/38%fg salary: 19 mil

deron williams

16/7/3 41% fg/35% 3pt fg salary: 17 mil

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collison: 12/5/3 48% fg/38% 3pt salary: 2 mil


mayo: 18/4/4 46% fg / 41% 3pt salary: 4mil


and people dissed cuban for not going after williams hard with a 75 million dollar contract

man, collie/ mayo play really well together, and they are unselfish with each other, and they are unselfish with others. I smell a rip/billups type of tandem brewing. Cubes keep them together!..do not tamper with the backcourt!! they are efficient, and let them grow


cubes def getting the last laugh...Bk is paying 36 million for a **** BC, and dallas is paying 6 million for an efficient BC

cuban got the last laugh... while brooklyn is gunning for HCA in the playoffs, dallas is under .500, and every other thread here is about how to get another pg or sg

Nice of you to show up only after we lose. Where were you when the Nets got smacked in Brooklyn?

[Paradise]

joe johnson

17/3/3 40%fg/38%fg salary: 19 mil

deron williams

16/7/3 41% fg/35% 3pt fg salary: 17 mil

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collison: 12/5/3 48% fg/38% 3pt salary: 2 mil


mayo: 18/4/4 46% fg / 41% 3pt salary: 4mil


and people dissed cuban for not going after williams hard with a 75 million dollar contract

man, collie/ mayo play really well together, and they are unselfish with each other, and they are unselfish with others. I smell a rip/billups type of tandem brewing. Cubes keep them together!..do not tamper with the backcourt!! they are efficient, and let them grow


cubes def getting the last laugh...Bk is paying 36 million for a **** BC, and dallas is paying 6 million for an efficient BC

cuban got the last laugh... while brooklyn is gunning for HCA in the playoffs, dallas is under .500, and every other thread here is about how to get another pg or sg

Nice of you to show up only after we lose. Where were you when the Nets got smacked in Brooklyn?

Not trying to troll here but how exactly did they get smacked when Dallas nearly lost? If I remember correctly Dallas did indeed go up by 17 and lost the lead quite easily but the game was at the 2 minute mark so the Nets had no shot to offficially comeback and overtake the score.

[crucifixx]

That's not the point. My point was, he only popped up when Mavs lost.

[ASIMO]

at least we could say Memphis/Indiana became far better team after Mayo/Collison left.

and Mavs...

[JES12]

Brooklyn is better than Dallas because of Lopez and the existence of an inside game.

I am not a fan of Mayo or Johnson. They both should not be one of your 2 best players. Mayo's contract is much more attractive though.

Collison vs. Williams is different though. Williams is a much better defender and is just plain smarter that Collison. Williams knows how to get the ball to the right person even if it is he, himself, who is the best option. Collison best attribute is trying to collapse the D and see what the D gives you. Williams can make plays even id the D gives you nothing.

[JES12]

at least we could say Memphis/Indiana became far better team after Mayo/Collison left.

and Mavs...

While I don't think that comment has a direct correlation, I do agree that there are some addition by subtraction players and both of these players are ones that I felt that way about before this season.