Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[Mavrelous]

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Mavs stayed below tax in 2024, this means repeater tax count is delayed one year, they can go into tax for the next 2 years w/o being repeater tax offenders, huge difference in payroll ramifications.
12 Players on contract next season:
Lively/Gafford/Powell
PJ Washington/Maxi/OMax
Luka/THJ
Kyrie/Hardy
Exum/Green

Only relevant player that's FA is DJJ
Assets:
25 1st
31 1st
BOS 24 2nd rd pick
TOR 25 2nd rd pick
another 2 2nds

Total payroll:
171M just below tax

Mavs have MLE, BAE (not fully) available if they decide to be 1st Apron team.
Tax MLE (2 yrs contract for 5.5M/yr) if they decide to be 2nd Apron team
Realistically, they won't go past the 2nd Apron.

[daoneandonly]

Depending on how PJ can integrate this year, hopefully he'll improve his shot and fit in seamlessly, our 2 biggest needs are a starting SF and backup PG. I wouldnt bother with Exum anymore, solid player when he plays, but thats such a rarity its not worth the trouble.

[dirkforpres]

That Toronto 2025 SRP is an underrated asset. They might legit be the worst team in the league next year and 2025 draft is supposed to be very good.

THJ's expiring, OMax/Hardy, and the 1sts is a really good starting package if Nico tries to go hunting for a 3rd star... Just not sure who that could be yet... Markkanen? Bridges? AD?

[DanEu]

That Toronto 2025 SRP is an underrated asset. They might legit be the worst team in the league next year and 2025 draft is supposed to be very good.

THJ's expiring, OMax/Hardy, and the 1sts is a really good starting package if Nico tries to go hunting for a 3rd star... Just not sure who that could be yet... Markkanen? Bridges? AD?

Markkanen would fit like a glove . But if Ainge is will to sell there are teams who can offer a lot more.

[dirkforpres]

That Toronto 2025 SRP is an underrated asset. They might legit be the worst team in the league next year and 2025 draft is supposed to be very good.

THJ's expiring, OMax/Hardy, and the 1sts is a really good starting package if Nico tries to go hunting for a 3rd star... Just not sure who that could be yet... Markkanen? Bridges? AD?

Markkanen would fit like a glove . But if Ainge is will to sell there are teams who can offer a lot more.

Thats debatable. If Ainge (or any other GM) thinks that Luka wont stick around past 2027, the Mavs have ruined their chance to remain competitive with how few 1st rounders they possess. That 2031 pick could (and probably would) be a top 5 pick if Luka walks. There are teams that could for sure offer more picks, just not sure if the quality of picks compares.

[Bob8]

That Toronto 2025 SRP is an underrated asset. They might legit be the worst team in the league next year and 2025 draft is supposed to be very good.

THJ's expiring, OMax/Hardy, and the 1sts is a really good starting package if Nico tries to go hunting for a 3rd star... Just not sure who that could be yet... Markkanen? Bridges? AD?

Markkanen would fit like a glove . But if Ainge is will to sell there are teams who can offer a lot more.

Thats debatable. If Ainge (or any other GM) thinks that Luka wont stick around past 2027, the Mavs have ruined their chance to remain competitive with how few 1st rounders they possess. That 2031 pick could (and probably would) be a top 5 pick if Luka walks. There are teams that could for sure offer more picks, just not sure if the quality of picks compares.

It's very debatable, which team will be good in 2031. Many stars won't be even playing then.

[ozwizard8]

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Probably the NBA's biggest FA mistake of the decade... A new S.Nash fiasco.

$55m/4year was a no brainer. You'd pay that even for a rotation player 6th men role in 22 offseason. As the season started, Brunson make a jump and take the lead while Luka was injured. Improving each year, having two titles in college, great teammate, friend of Luka. They seemed to **** up multiple times.

Lets also remember that Brunson did not sign max deal with Knicks. Even after the WCF, Brunson getting playoff wins, the FO **** up. He signed for $100m/4 year deal which clearly shows Mavs did not offer him a $120m/4 year deal to keep him.

Lost 1.5 years since then with C.Wood and Kyrie trades. Failed so badly to draft Lively and spent tons of picks to get back to the roster level of WCF. What a mistake it was. No more picks left, Kyrie's age, and injuries will become a bigger concern in next years.
This year FO is doing better, but I still don't have much confidence in them.

[41Dirk41]

Brunson was a Cuban mistake for sure, we were lucky that Kyrie was available in that year... He was the first big move and now we ended up with this roster.
Great job.

[Mavrelous]

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Probably the NBA's biggest FA mistake of the decade... A new S.Nash fiasco.

$55m/4year was a no brainer. You'd pay that even for a rotation player 6th men role in 22 offseason. As the season started, Brunson make a jump and take the lead while Luka was injured. Improving each year, having two titles in college, great teammate, friend of Luka. They seemed to **** up multiple times.

Lets also remember that Brunson did not sign max deal with Knicks. Even after the WCF, Brunson getting playoff wins, the FO **** up. He signed for $100m/4 year deal which clearly shows Mavs did not offer him a $120m/4 year deal to keep him.

Lost 1.5 years since then with C.Wood and Kyrie trades. Failed so badly to draft Lively and spent tons of picks to get back to the roster level of WCF. What a mistake it was. No more picks left, Kyrie's age, and injuries will become a bigger concern in next years.
This year FO is doing better, but I still don't have much confidence in them.

Look, I believe everything JB says there, except for 1 thing, he didn't see NY making moves w/o knowing he's going there, he had an agreement with them before, he's fooling no one, but yeah, Cuban, once again, thinking he's the smartest person in the room, got hoodwinked.
It's water under the bridge now, the team came a long way, it's been aweful until 3 weeks ago, I was almost at a point where I was certain Luka will be playing for a different team next year, but things turned around, the roster is looking good, I'd say this is the best roster Luka had around him accounting for health, let's see how this season unfolds.

[BeiBeau]

Depending on how PJ can integrate this year, hopefully he'll improve his shot and fit in seamlessly, our 2 biggest needs are a starting SF and backup PG. I wouldnt bother with Exum anymore, solid player when he plays, but thats such a rarity its not worth the trouble.

For 4 million dollars Exum is fine. When he plays, he’s worth 15 million. So if he only plays half the games plus playoffs we’re good.

[arkuo]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

[Bob8]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

[41Dirk41]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

Yes but Kyrie is way better than Brunson, the Knicks game was so clear.
Of course JB at 15M per year would be a bargain but you have to see the great picture... Are Kyrie+Lively better than Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie+1FRP?

It's not even close, Dinwiddie is a waived guy... DFS is a mediocre overrated no wanted guy and the FRP a mistery box.

Probably Nico and the Mavs were probably very lucky too in this process because the failure was really close but now our situation is great.

[41Dirk41]

Depending on how PJ can integrate this year, hopefully he'll improve his shot and fit in seamlessly, our 2 biggest needs are a starting SF and backup PG. I wouldnt bother with Exum anymore, solid player when he plays, but thats such a rarity its not worth the trouble.

For 4 million dollars Exum is fine. When he plays, he’s worth 15 million. So if he only plays half the games plus playoffs we’re good.

Yes and no... We have Kyrie who is not an iron man, we need a playing third ballhandler.

[arkuo]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

The difference that a lot of fans don't see is that the Mavs had ZERO chance to keep Brunson. Knicks hired Rick Brunson prior to sealing the deal with Jalen. Jalen's agent is the son of the GM. Jalen signing with Dallas means they need to walk back on all those pre-arranged deals that were handed out. Knicks tampered and got caught.

So the debate isn't about the Mavs having Kyrie or Jalen because Jalen is just trying to save face for good PR on some podcast. The real debate for Mavs fans at the time is who would you rather have at point guard, Kyrie vs Spencer Dinwiddie. Jalen was never in the cards, that kid was out of here as soon as his dad saw the dollars. So if it's Kyrie vs Spencer, I take Kyrie.

[Bob8]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

The difference that a lot of fans don't see is that the Mavs had ZERO chance to keep Brunson. Knicks hired Rick Brunson prior to sealing the deal with Jalen. Jalen's agent is the son of the GM. Jalen signing with Dallas means they need to walk back on all those pre-arranged deals that were handed out. Knicks tampered and got caught.

So the debate isn't about the Mavs having Kyrie or Jalen because Jalen is just trying to save face for good PR on some podcast. The real debate for Mavs fans at the time is who would you rather have at point guard, Kyrie vs Spencer Dinwiddie. Jalen was never in the cards, that kid was out of here as soon as his dad saw the dollars. So if it's Kyrie vs Spencer, I take Kyrie.

Brunson was for sure in cards, they just had to give him a deal before his meteoric rise. And nobody is talking about his rookie contract, he would have been RFA, if they gave him the right contract. Mavs jus never believed in Brunson, until it was to late.

[Bob8]

Brunson playing victim but failed to mention his daddy, his agent and the Knicks GM are all related and had a pre agreed handshake deal. NBA investigated and they got fined for doing so. It's a different story if the investigation turned out different. But it was proven by the NBA that the Knicks and the Brunson family had COLLUDED. Playing victim doesn't erase that fact.

Now people are comparing Kyrie vs Jalen on who would your team rather have, you have to edit that to Kyrie vs. Jalen and Rick Brunson because any team he goes to, his daddy is going to get a free ride and a job. You don't want a stage father sticking his nose up in all contract negotiations asking for extra freebies to be thrown in.

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

Yes but Kyrie is way better than Brunson, the Knicks game was so clear.
Of course JB at 15M per year would be a bargain but you have to see the great picture... Are Kyrie+Lively better than Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie+1FRP?

It's not even close, Dinwiddie is a waived guy... DFS is a mediocre overrated no wanted guy and the FRP a mistery box.

Probably Nico and the Mavs were probably very lucky too in this process because the failure was really close but now our situation is great.

If you're putting Lively in the debate, then just imagine how better Mavs would have been, if they tanked all 5 Luka's years here.

[41Dirk41]

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

Yes but Kyrie is way better than Brunson, the Knicks game was so clear.
Of course JB at 15M per year would be a bargain but you have to see the great picture... Are Kyrie+Lively better than Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie+1FRP?

It's not even close, Dinwiddie is a waived guy... DFS is a mediocre overrated no wanted guy and the FRP a mistery box.

Probably Nico and the Mavs were probably very lucky too in this process because the failure was really close but now our situation is great.

If you're putting Lively in the debate, then just imagine how better Mavs would have been, if they tanked all 5 Luka's years here.

It's a no sense because if that was happened Luka wouldn't still be here

We were lucky in that process, i know. We are a good team right now so for me it's ok.

[41Dirk41]

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

The difference that a lot of fans don't see is that the Mavs had ZERO chance to keep Brunson. Knicks hired Rick Brunson prior to sealing the deal with Jalen. Jalen's agent is the son of the GM. Jalen signing with Dallas means they need to walk back on all those pre-arranged deals that were handed out. Knicks tampered and got caught.

So the debate isn't about the Mavs having Kyrie or Jalen because Jalen is just trying to save face for good PR on some podcast. The real debate for Mavs fans at the time is who would you rather have at point guard, Kyrie vs Spencer Dinwiddie. Jalen was never in the cards, that kid was out of here as soon as his dad saw the dollars. So if it's Kyrie vs Spencer, I take Kyrie.

Brunson was for sure in cards, they just had to give him a deal before his meteoric rise. And nobody is talking about his rookie contract, he would have been RFA, if they gave him the right contract. Mavs jus never believed in Brunson, until it was to late.

This is the real problem, they didn't give him a rookie contract so after 4 years they had not control on his future. Classic Cuban stupid move.
Luckily he is out of business finally.

[ozwizard8]

The biggest difference is not between Kyrie and Brunson, but what we have to give to get Kyrie and 100 mio in salary. That's kinda huge difference.

Yes but Kyrie is way better than Brunson, the Knicks game was so clear.
Of course JB at 15M per year would be a bargain but you have to see the great picture... Are Kyrie+Lively better than Brunson+DFS+Dinwiddie+1FRP?

It's not even close, Dinwiddie is a waived guy... DFS is a mediocre overrated no wanted guy and the FRP a mistery box.

Probably Nico and the Mavs were probably very lucky too in this process because the failure was really close but now our situation is great.

If you're putting Lively in the debate, then just imagine how better Mavs would have been, if they tanked all 5 Luka's years here.

Putting Lively in the debate is bonkers.
- Twolves was managed horribly, they couldn't make anything with Butler-Wiggins-KAT. They sucked so much they got Antony Edwards!
- Spurs made a poor Kawhi deal which eventually led them to get Wenbanyama. Is it good now?

If Mavs kept the WCF team and traded 3 first-round picks and swaps, we could've got a pretty competitive roster for last and this year.

Anyway, its been 1.5 years so not relevant to today's team that much. It was just a popular discussion on twitter/reddit etc so I brought the video. Kinda a reminder for Cuban's new Nash mistake and the bad 1st year of Niko.