Cuban gets way more respect than he deserves

[Mavrelous]

The level of love or the level of pass depends on when you became a Mavs fan.
I have been a Mavs fan since Cuban took over.

Let me give you an assumption to help you understand, had I only become a mavs fan yesterday after they beat the Pistons, I would tend to agree with you too that Cuban and Mavs are below average product.

Then you agree actually. You're just reminiscing about prime Dirk and giving the credit to Cuban for some reason.

You don't think Dirk would have been great under any owner?

Cuban was not the owner when the Mavs drafted Dirk or when they acquired Nash. He was however the owner that wouldn't pay Nash.

I will try to answer your questions 1 by 1.

1. I am not happy about Mavs front office along with Cuban's decision in recent years.
2. No, I don't think Dirk would be great had he been drafted by any team/owner, such as Clippers or Vancouver Grizzlies. This is where I give credit where it is due.
3. Not paying Nash hurt me because I am a huge Nash fan. But at the time I supported the idea and the next year Mavs proved to be better without Nash. That's how we beat the Spurs in 2006. This is again fact rather than opinion.

Mark Cuban was actually sued by Russ Perot Jr for spending too much...
The Mark Cuban era split into 2 parts, pre 2011, and post 2011, he was one of the best owners in the league, Jerry Buss may have been more successful, but he has the market to back him and attract FAs, and Paul Allen had deeper pockets in the late 90s early 2000s, but he was one of the richest people on planet earth, Cuban still spent like crazy and stopped at nothing to get Dirk help, he may have made some mistakes, but no one could actually question his commitment, after 2011, his willingness to spend went down and the Luka era has been one giant mess.
He sold at the right time, the rift with Donnie Nelson, and his new adventures that need financing, while the valuation is still high, hopefully the new owners are as willing as he was in the mid 2000s.

[Archx]

He doesn't deserve any since the championship. Before yes, but there's no lifetime achievement awards.

The level of love or the level of pass depends on when you became a Mavs fan.
I have been a Mavs fan since Cuban took over.

Let me give you an assumption to help you understand, had I only become a mavs fan yesterday after they beat the Pistons, I would tend to agree with you too that Cuban and Mavs are below average product.

Then you agree actually. You're just reminiscing about prime Dirk and giving the credit to Cuban for some reason.

You don't think Dirk would have been great under any owner?

Cuban was not the owner when the Mavs drafted Dirk or when they acquired Nash. He was however the owner that wouldn't pay Nash.

Cuban played a big role in Dirk staying. He was always heavily invested in Mavs in negative or positive way, doesn't even matter. His passion and Dirk got my attention in Mavs in the early 2000's. Without Cuban Mavs wouldn't be such a polarizing team and Dirk said he wanted to leave but Mark played a huge role that he stayed, so we do have to give him a lot of credit and he did put Mavs on the map. Ultimately he's an owner that can say "hey i owned a team and we won a championship under my rule". So i think Cuban does deserve a lot of credit in that regard.

But unfortunately i think his agressiveness for pursuing greatness after they won that ring kinda went down and i think since Luka was drafted his only concern was more or less to keep him happy instead of doing what's best for the team and actually build a serious contender. It's a new age now with Nico and new owners, so we'll see what happens.

[GermanFan120]

The Brunson situation was a huge mistake indeed and I think Cuban knew as well. Plus NY did us dirty.

Hopefully mistake like that can be learned and prevented.

[Mavrelous]

Here is an example of Cuban's maneuvers to work around the CBA limitations, this is how Cuban got Jason Kidd (the player, back in the day), after this, the next CBA added the base year compensation rule to close the loophole.
Repeater tax rule was created because of Marc Cuban, he simply didn't care for tax, operated over the cap and kept dry powder to trade for players on bloated contracts that teams wanted to shed.
Cuban was a revolutionary back in the day, but the league as a whole caught up to him, and he didn't adjust, he was the 1st owner to focus on valuations as vehicle for growth instead of balance sheet, in today's NBA, teams chase talent no matter the cost, in 2000s NBA, teams chased cost cutting even at the cost of letting talent go.

[HMFFL]

The Brunson situation was a huge mistake indeed and I think Cuban knew as well. Plus NY did us dirty.

Hopefully mistake like that can be learned and prevented.

I blame Brunson and not the Knicks. We basically didn't value Brunson and he wouldn't be as productive for us. 20.2 field goal attempts with the Knicks compared to his high of 12.8 with us.

Our front office has forever not been good at keeping talent or uplifting players.

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[Mr B]

As far as selling the team I have no idea if he's still in charge or not. I've heard yes and heard no. I'm going to assume he is, but if not I'll just talk about his past.

-Bought the Mavs when they had already drafted Dirk, so no credit for that (not a negative but just pointing that out)
-Refused to pay Steve Nash the going rate to keep him
-Blew up a championship team and tried to sell it to the fans that they were incapable of repeating. Some say he did this to chase superstars some say he didn't want to pay the luxury tax
-Instituted plan powder to chase superstars which was an utter failure for years. Every year stars would go elsewhere and they'd have to settle for whoever was left
-Chandler Parsons contract, thought he outsmarted Houston but they outsmarted him
-Could have drafted Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donnie Nelson scouted him and that was the pick but Cuban vetoed it to move down in the draft to save a little cap space for Dwight Howard (who never came, and never won anything) instead they drafted Shane Larkin son of baseball legend Barry Larkin. Shane is no longer in the NBA and plays overseas.
-many trades that were disasters such as Rondo. Maybe not his fault he didn't want to be there but kept Powell who was a throw in to this day because reportedly they're movie buddies
-gave some gambler too much power in the organization, was even telling Carlisle what plays to call which lead to his departure
-alleged sexual misconduct in the organization
-Porzingis trade which I was excited about him coming but ended with him being traded for very little and they still owe the Knicks their 2024 1st round pick 5 years after the trade and he was gone after 3. THJ a throw in still on the roster
-extended THJ for 4 years in 2021 when fans wanted him gone, still playing him 25 minutes a game today when there's better options on the team
-When Rick Carlisle walked out the door asked him who he should hire to replace him, Rick said Kidd and he listened for some reason
-Gave 1st round pick for PJ Washington who isn't that great
-Gives out 1st round picks like candy, rarely ever gets one for players going out. Gave up 2 for Porzingis, got none for Porzingis in the trade to Washington

Very few draft picks remaining for the rest of the decade. Going to be difficult to make a contender, especially when they won't fire the coach.

There's probably more that I'm just not thinking about right now, but that's quite a bit. I mean the only big two plusses were the championship and drafting Luka. But Jerry Jones won 3 championships and Cuban gets a lot more respect for some reason. Not that Jerry deserves any either.

I was happy to hear Cuban sold the team but not satisfied because he retained power. I want him out completely. Supposedly from what I heard the whole reasoning behind it is to legalize gambling in Texas and they want to build a casino in Dallas. So now I guess he's behind manipulating the laws of Texas. Whatever.

I think one thing that gets overlooked is the fact that he kept Don Nelson when he took over the team. At that time he had every reason to fire Nellie and start over. He traded for Nash who was NOT playing well and even getting boo’d by the Mavs fans and Dirk was unknown and just another lanky white guy that the Mavs drafted. Nellie convinced Cuban he had a plan and he kept him. If he fires Nellie Dirk likely ends up getting traded to the Celtics.

[ChipotleWest]

Like I said granted he did some good things pre-championship including winning it, but how many good things since? I'd say 1 thing Luka and that was a little bit of luck because two teams passed on him for players that aren't even on their roster anymore.

Until the championship I was a huge fan of Cuban. But how long is that supposed to last? Anybody who's a Cowboys fan no longer gives Jerry Jones credit for 3 Super Bowls we want him gone. I feel the same about Cuban.

Notice on my list of complaints only 1 thing was pre-championship, Nash. The rest are post-championship.

[GermanFan120]

Does some of you even know or understand how hard it is to win championship? Ask KD or LeBron why they had to cheat to get their first ring. Ask Mavs fans who went through 2006 final rigged games as well as the first round shameful upset.

So what I'm trying to say is everyone on that championship run will forever deserve lots of credits. That included Dirk JT Rick Mirion Tyson JJB etc etc and of course that includes Cuban and the GM. Also the die hard fans who supported them for years.

[ChipotleWest]

I know things are looking up in Dallas, Luka is a superstar we finally have a contending team, but I still feel dirty about the firing of Donnie Nelson. He is still taking the Mavs to court because he was fired in retaliation for reporting Cuban's "right hand man" for sexual harassing and assaulting his nephew. How can anyone defend Mark Cuban after that garbage? He is scum. What planet is this. Unless of course there's another side of the story in which I'm all ears.

And I say this as a diehard Mavs fan, but I wish Mark Cuban was removed the equation. Not a fan. At least he doesn't own the entire team anymore.

Donnie was nearing a 10 year extension with the Mavs and this happened and he was fired instead, Cuban called him a liar and said it was investigated and it never happened. But what on Earth incentive would he have to lie about this? Makes absolutely no sense. I find it hard to believe that he lied about this and it cost him he's job that he had for years and he would take it to court if he was making it up. Why would someone that works for an organization and wants to continue working there make something like this up? Make it make sense.

There should be more outrage towards Mark Cuban. He is not some beloved owner, far from it. Forget all the other stuff the blowing up the championship team and making mistakes during his tenue when it comes to players and trades, THIS is why.

This team was headed completely off the railroad tracks and Luka is saving them. But something like this should not be forgotten.

[daoneandonly]

I know things are looking up in Dallas, Luka is a superstar we finally have a contending team, but I still feel dirty about the firing of Donnie Nelson. He is still taking the Mavs to court because he was fired in retaliation for reporting Cuban's "right hand man" for sexual harassing and assaulting his nephew. How can anyone defend Mark Cuban after that garbage? He is scum. What planet is this. Unless of course there's another side of the story in which I'm all ears.

And I say this as a diehard Mavs fan, but I wish Mark Cuban was removed the equation. Not a fan. At least he doesn't own the entire team anymore.

Donnie was nearing a 10 year extension with the Mavs and this happened and he was fired instead, Cuban called him a liar and said it was investigated and it never happened. But what on Earth incentive would he have to lie about this? Makes absolutely no sense. I find it hard to believe that he lied about this and it cost him he's job that he had for years and he would take it to court if he was making it up. Why would someone that works for an organization and wants to continue working there make something like this up? Make it make sense.

There should be more outrage towards Mark Cuban. He is not some beloved owner, far from it. Forget all the other stuff the blowing up the championship team and making mistakes during his tenue when it comes to players and trades, THIS is why.

This team was headed completely off the railroad tracks and Luka is saving them. But something like this should not be forgotten.

I have no problem with Cuban being removed from the equation, he's no longer a postive. But Nelson deserved what he got.

By all reports (never been refuted, at least I haven't heard), Nelson just walked out during the 2020 draft like a petulant little child. Didnt tell anyone, just took his ball and went home before the Mavs made their pick. We all know what happened then, Josh Green.

No matter how good successful someone has been, that type of behavior just walking out during a critical task, project, meeting, etc, is grounds for termination alone. So peace out Donnie

[ChipotleWest]

I know things are looking up in Dallas, Luka is a superstar we finally have a contending team, but I still feel dirty about the firing of Donnie Nelson. He is still taking the Mavs to court because he was fired in retaliation for reporting Cuban's "right hand man" for sexual harassing and assaulting his nephew. How can anyone defend Mark Cuban after that garbage? He is scum. What planet is this. Unless of course there's another side of the story in which I'm all ears.

And I say this as a diehard Mavs fan, but I wish Mark Cuban was removed the equation. Not a fan. At least he doesn't own the entire team anymore.

Donnie was nearing a 10 year extension with the Mavs and this happened and he was fired instead, Cuban called him a liar and said it was investigated and it never happened. But what on Earth incentive would he have to lie about this? Makes absolutely no sense. I find it hard to believe that he lied about this and it cost him he's job that he had for years and he would take it to court if he was making it up. Why would someone that works for an organization and wants to continue working there make something like this up? Make it make sense.

There should be more outrage towards Mark Cuban. He is not some beloved owner, far from it. Forget all the other stuff the blowing up the championship team and making mistakes during his tenue when it comes to players and trades, THIS is why.

This team was headed completely off the railroad tracks and Luka is saving them. But something like this should not be forgotten.

I have no problem with Cuban being removed from the equation, he's no longer a postive. But Nelson deserved what he got.

By all reports (never been refuted, at least I haven't heard), Nelson just walked out during the 2020 draft like a petulant little child. Didnt tell anyone, just took his ball and went home before the Mavs made their pick. We all know what happened then, Josh Green.

No matter how good successful someone has been, that type of behavior just walking out during a critical task, project, meeting, etc, is grounds for termination alone. So peace out Donnie

Ok fair enough but do you believe the allegations that Cuban's friend assaulted his nephew yes or no? And that Cuban covered it up?

Either one of two things are true.

-Donnie Nelson is a complete nutjob and made the story up
-Mark Cuban covered up a serious crime to protect his friend

Keep in mind this will be decided in a court of law.

It is possible that it did happen but Cuban just does not believe it happened, which is a little bit better than it did happen and Cuban knows it but Cuban is protecting his friend. But it's still bad.

[41Dirk41]

Cuban is out of basketball operation from december and after that date the Mavericks made one of the best run in his history after a fantastic TDL.

Fact.

[ChipotleWest]

Cuban is out of basketball operation from december and after that date the Mavericks made one of the best run in his history after a fantastic TDL.

Fact.

Yep finally someone to put him in check and not allow him to be a GM/Owner like Jerry Jones is for the Cowboys. They gave the reigns to Nico and good things happened almost instantly.