Playoffs 2024 - R1 - G2 - Mavs @ Clippers (Tuesd 100PM)

[ChipotleWest]

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense.

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

[Swish77]

Yes but the situation is pretty clear, just i said he has to be more aggressive on the offensive end otherwise he can't stay on the floor.
I think even Kidd told him that.

With our role players attitude in G1 we can't win a PO game against the Clippers.
They have to play both end of the floor and it's what Luka screamed all game. They have to take their shots and watch the basket.

Some people here went mad after Kleber offensive game last night but he just made a couple of wideeeeeeee open 3s... I laughed a lot
Honestly it should be normal for a good NBA player.
I can understand that the set bar for Kleber is so low but come on, the eight 3s game against Jazz was a huge game not yesterday, where he played well for sure but it's his job.
Those two by PJ were insane because he was very contested but it's ok because we know that Kleber has a low and slow release. He needs time.

If he can't make those shots he can't stay on the floor just like DJJ and we saw it in G1, they must have confidence in their shots.

Anyway we need Lively and Gafford at the AAC and i hope the crowd help them to enter in the series... Mostly Gafford who is too short to battle Zubac but he has to find a way for be effective on the floor.

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense. He's not here to score. I dont understand how all you care about is scoring. Scoring doesn't win games or win a chip. DEFENSE wins games and chips. Playoff games isnt about scoring its about getting stops and playing really good defense. You love to bring up game 1 why did we lose game 1? we played zero defense. But to you we didn't score enough. Like all you care about is scoring which it makes no sense to me. Oh we will bench this player bc he didnt score enough. NO thats not how it works. lol

Instead it works just like that, if Kleber not makes his 3s he will sit on the bench.
And that's what happened a lot of times in this years.
Unfortunately Gafford looks like unplayable against Zubac and Lively is just a rookie otherwise in G1 Kleber wouldn't have played so much for sure.

Man no offense but you are talking like a Kleber fans and i understand that. It's good. I like Maxi too.

But you think he is a 30minutes guy whatever he does. No problem with that.
But it's totally wrong.

And the offense doesn't win chips alone but neither defense alone can't do it.
We need a mix.

It's not necessary that he shoots 0-10 for 3s, just 0-5 it's enough for bench him( same about DJJ, Green, THJ, Exum and all our players). Because we can't win with those stats, and you have seen that in G1.
That's it.
Harden and Zubac were on fire that game, no matter what kind of defense we can play but if we had make our shoots the game would have been totally different.
Harden can make those 3s against anyone. Just like Luka. He setted the tone and we not response.

Nobody can play just one half court, even Luka Doncic (i mean LUKA DONCIC) is blamed for his defense sometimes so you are a fool if you think that Kleber can pass shoots or not watch the basket and it's ok.

We won G2 with defense AND our 3s. Simple as that.
If PJ and Kleber missed those shoots we would have lost that game too.
It's not even up for debate.

Thank you for saying we won game 2 bc of our defense.

[41Dirk41]

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense.

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

Simply as that.

[Swish77]

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense.

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

[ChipotleWest]

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense.

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

[Swish77]

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

Hold up did you not watch the game? lets just not play defense bc 50% of the people on here dont care about defense all they care about is the first team who scores 150 to win a playoff game. and Threaten Players mins if they cant score. the craziest take iv ever heard of.

[ChipotleWest]

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

Hold up did you not watch the game?

It was one game where it was a defensive stuggle. Do you want your team to win one series or win the NBA Championship? I prefer the latter. We aren't getting by Denver with just Luka and Kyrie scoring. Outside of Luka and Kyrie we've gotten 29 and 35 points from the ENTIRE TEAM outside of them. That is not a championship recipe.

You're taken it too far this idea of defense and not scoring. Yes defense is great yes our defense was great, but you also have to score ideally you'd be able to do BOTH. Most teams will not shoot 36% from the floor like Clippers did I don't care how good the defense is. That was an anomaly.

[41Dirk41]

Just Like I said he can go 0-10 shooting and we wont bench him we need his Defense.

Nonsense, we have a team where Luka and Kyrie is automatic 60 points. All we need is 40 points from other players to hit 100, and we haven't gotten it in either game. No matter how great you are on defense you're hurting the team when you score 0. You don't have to score 20, but you can't not score at all.

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

Defense does nothing if you can't score in a ocean

[daoneandonly]

Its clear you didnt watch game 2. Everything a player does doesnt show up in the box score. Seems like all you like to do is look at the box scores and determine if a players good or bad.

And all Josh Green's supporters have to hang on is that excuse, dont look at the boxscore. The team's biggest hole is the position he plays, its inarguable.

Team's biggest hole is the scoring from the bench aka THJ's SG spot. Green was never brought in to be a scorer, they said so when he was drafted, i'll never understand why you want him to be just that. He was drafted for something completely different and he played good in that role until he got injured (again) and now is trying to get back into form at the exact wrong time.

So, your comparisons to Maxey or Bane are kinda out of place. If you want to hate on him at least compare him to McDaniels, which is basically the same role Green occupies. If Donnie wanted to go after a pure scorer i'm 100% sure he wouldn't draft Green.

But he should at least be a great defender, he's not even good. We've seen him lose his guys on screens time after time, players like Tyus Jones look like all stars when Green was guarding them. His basketball IQ is amongst the lowest in the league. I had no intention of talking about him for these playoffs, but if people are going to commend him for "great play" I'm going to chime in to speak the truth that he's more a detriment than asset.

[Swish77]

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

Hold up did you not watch the game?

It was one game where it was a defensive stuggle. Do you want your team to win one series or win the NBA Championship? I prefer the latter. We aren't getting by Denver with just Luka and Kyrie scoring. Outside of Luka and Kyrie we've gotten 29 and 35 points from the ENTIRE TEAM outside of them. That is not a championship recipe.

You're taken it too far this idea of defense and not scoring. Yes defense is great yes our defense was great, but you also have to score ideally you'd be able to do BOTH. Most teams will not shoot 36% from the floor like Clippers did I don't care how good the defense is. That was an anomaly.

Defense wins chips. Racing to 150 doesnt win chips. yes we need scoring but not everyone on the roster needs to score for us to win. and to say lets bench this guy bc he cant score. Doesn't make sense.

[41Dirk41]

Scoring isnt the only thing that matters. why does everyone care so much about scoring?!?! Scoring does nothing if you cant stop a nose bleed!

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

Hold up did you not watch the game? lets just not play defense bc 50% of the people on here dont care about defense all they care about is the first team who scores 150 to win a playoff game. and Threaten Players mins if they cant score. the craziest take iv ever heard of.

Nobody say those things you wrote, you are just changing the points of the discussion for your sake.

[daoneandonly]

Its clear you didnt watch game 2. Everything a player does doesnt show up in the box score. Seems like all you like to do is look at the box scores and determine if a players good or bad.

And all Josh Green's supporters have to hang on is that excuse, dont look at the boxscore. The team's biggest hole is the position he plays, its inarguable.

Again Seems like you don't watch the games you look at the box score and bash players. Con gratz Part time fan.

That's your argument for anyone you disagree with, "you didn't watch the game". You say Green played amazing butt here's zero evidence to back that claim up.

[Swish77]

Because we already have enough guys who don't score like Maxi. When multiple players score 0 you usually lose the game. We needed every bit of Washington's 18 points to win by 3 or we're down 0-2 right now. Do you think Luka and Kyrie are good for 100? Where do you think the points are going to come from besides them? They have to come from somewhere! You do realize you still have outscore to win the game right?

Hold up did you not watch the game? lets just not play defense bc 50% of the people on here dont care about defense all they care about is the first team who scores 150 to win a playoff game. and Threaten Players mins if they cant score. the craziest take iv ever heard of.

Nobody say those things you wrote, you are just changing the points of the discussion for your sake.

Nope all you talk about is benching players bc they can't score. Every single game we lose you want to bench guys. Like come on. Benching guys who play good to great defense bc he was 0-5 on 3's. Offense and 3's is the only thing you care about.

[ChipotleWest]

We don't have good scorers outside of Luka and Kyrie at all. Washington is decent, Gafford can get you a few lobs usually (not so far this playoffs), THJ can get hot but can also shoot you out of games he averages 40% from the floor this season which is meh. Mavs need a better 3rd scorer next season who can play defense. Denver has Michael Porter Jr. we can't match up to that.

[Swish77]

And all Josh Green's supporters have to hang on is that excuse, dont look at the boxscore. The team's biggest hole is the position he plays, its inarguable.

Again Seems like you don't watch the games you look at the box score and bash players. Con gratz Part time fan.

That's your argument for anyone you disagree with, "you didn't watch the game". You say Green played amazing butt here's zero evidence to back that claim up.

1 key steal that got us up by 5 in the 4th. 3 key rebounds in the 4th that helped us as well. You would have seen this If you watched the game.

[41Dirk41]

Hold up did you not watch the game? lets just not play defense bc 50% of the people on here dont care about defense all they care about is the first team who scores 150 to win a playoff game. and Threaten Players mins if they cant score. the craziest take iv ever heard of.

Nobody say those things you wrote, you are just changing the points of the discussion for your sake.

Nope all you talk about is benching players bc they can't score. Every single game we lose you want to bench guys. Like come on. Benching guys who play good to great defense bc he was 0-5 on 3's. Offense and 3's is the only thing you care about.

The biggest problem with your argument is that the facts disprove it... Game 1 of this series is the proof.

If Maxi, DJJ, Exum,Green and Gafford play a lot of minutes and they can't be decent in the offensive end we lose. Luka and Kyrie need help.
They can defend like 4 Ben Wallace but we still lose the game. And that's happened.
We scored 29 points in the first half.
No matter what, you can write all the post you want. This is it.

[Bob8]

Again Seems like you don't watch the games you look at the box score and bash players. Con gratz Part time fan.

That's your argument for anyone you disagree with, "you didn't watch the game". You say Green played amazing butt here's zero evidence to back that claim up.

1 key steal that got us up by 5 in the 4th. 3 key rebounds in the 4th that helped us as well. You would have seen this If you watched the game.

I agree that he did what was expected from him, but man standards are pretty low.

[41Dirk41]

That's your argument for anyone you disagree with, "you didn't watch the game". You say Green played amazing butt here's zero evidence to back that claim up.

1 key steal that got us up by 5 in the 4th. 3 key rebounds in the 4th that helped us as well. You would have seen this If you watched the game.

I agree that he did what was expected from him, but man standards are pretty low.

I think the standards are pretty low for many players on our roster reading his posts

[daoneandonly]

That's your argument for anyone you disagree with, "you didn't watch the game". You say Green played amazing butt here's zero evidence to back that claim up.

1 key steal that got us up by 5 in the 4th. 3 key rebounds in the 4th that helped us as well. You would have seen this If you watched the game.

I agree that he did what was expected from him, but man standards are pretty low.

Yea thats what makes an amazing game now? That means the guy has set the bar so low, as long as he doesnt crap the bed its good

He was drafted to be a defensive ace, maybe secondary ballhandler as an added bonus, he hasnt shown to be above average in either.

[Archx]

And all Josh Green's supporters have to hang on is that excuse, dont look at the boxscore. The team's biggest hole is the position he plays, its inarguable.

Team's biggest hole is the scoring from the bench aka THJ's SG spot. Green was never brought in to be a scorer, they said so when he was drafted, i'll never understand why you want him to be just that. He was drafted for something completely different and he played good in that role until he got injured (again) and now is trying to get back into form at the exact wrong time.

So, your comparisons to Maxey or Bane are kinda out of place. If you want to hate on him at least compare him to McDaniels, which is basically the same role Green occupies. If Donnie wanted to go after a pure scorer i'm 100% sure he wouldn't draft Green.

But he should at least be a great defender, he's not even good. We've seen him lose his guys on screens time after time, players like Tyus Jones look like all stars when Green was guarding them. His basketball IQ is amongst the lowest in the league. I had no intention of talking about him for these playoffs, but if people are going to commend him for "great play" I'm going to chime in to speak the truth that he's more a detriment than asset.

Those are valid points of discussion but not compared to guys like Maxey or Bay. Totally different players with different roles.

When it comes to offense, DJJ is more or less a direct replacement for Green (or vice versa). And if you observe DJJ closely, you'll notice his IQ on offense isn't that good either. He'll often drive to the rim and lose the ball or simply miss a layup over 3 guys. He also doesn't take shots when he's open because he doesn't trust his shooting. So... Mavs wanted to upgrade defense and they did but now they suffer on offense against great defensive schemes. That's why this series will be a grind and Luka can't afford to have a horrible shooting night.