ImageImageImageImageImage

GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24)

Moderator: JaysRule15

Jerry Lucas
Pro Prospect
Posts: 880
And1: 773
Joined: Apr 01, 2021
     

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#41 » by Jerry Lucas » Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:38 am

Boogie! wrote:Guerrero has legitimately had a manoah level decline from a hitting perspective. 91 down the middle and he swings through it. Send him back to the minors.

I agree with this, however Vlad reached 5 years of service time earlier this month so he can no longer be optioned. His swing looks mechanically broken.
Tre Mann should have been a Top 10 Pick in the 2021 Draft

Team Find The Next Superstar Closer
DelAbbot
RealGM
Posts: 12,740
And1: 19,036
Joined: May 22, 2019
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#42 » by DelAbbot » Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:55 am

Jerry Lucas wrote:
Boogie! wrote:Guerrero has legitimately had a manoah level decline from a hitting perspective. 91 down the middle and he swings through it. Send him back to the minors.

I agree with this, however Vlad reached 5 years of service time earlier this month so he can no longer be optioned. His swing looks mechanically broken.


Image
DelAbbot
RealGM
Posts: 12,740
And1: 19,036
Joined: May 22, 2019
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#43 » by DelAbbot » Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:57 am

JaysRule15 wrote:Varsho reminding me of what it was like when we had prime Josh Donaldson.


don't jinx him
Hottie McShotty
Analyst
Posts: 3,141
And1: 1,852
Joined: Mar 09, 2021
     

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#44 » by Hottie McShotty » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:46 am

I don't trust Romano to come in and close a game anymore. Garcia needs to be our closer.
User avatar
Ranger One
Analyst
Posts: 3,418
And1: 3,421
Joined: Apr 19, 2019
 

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#45 » by Ranger One » Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:44 pm

Hottie McShotty wrote:I don't trust Romano to come in and close a game anymore. Garcia needs to be our closer.


I honestly can't remember the last time he had a dominant 1-2-3 inning. He's looked like an average middle inning reliever since the second half of last year. Definitely doesn't have the stuff anymore to be a guaranteed save. Ill give him some more time since he's coming off the IL but man, he hasn't looked like the terminator for a while now. I actually cringe when SN does the whole " instead of going to commercial we're gonna stay here with you as we watch Romano exit the bullpen and slowly jog to the mound as dramatic music plays". They're still treating this guy like some legendary figure that throws 120mph and strikes out 5 guys per inning.
"We are Rangers.
We walk in the dark places no others will enter.
We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass.
We live for the One, we die for the One."
Michael Bradley
General Manager
Posts: 9,220
And1: 1,906
Joined: Feb 25, 2004

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#46 » by Michael Bradley » Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:55 pm

Mehar wrote:
Ranger One wrote:Giving 5 at bats a game to Springer is downright criminal right now. Guy belongs in the 7-9 spots at best.

You see his numbers from the Astros where he was a Silver Slugger, a World Series MVP, and one of the best players in baseball compared to now and it is night and day.

Never seen a player fall off like Springer has. Just terrible at the plate right now. Even much worse than last year. However, it is still April and hopefully he can turn it around in the coming weeks. However, he should be definitely hitting 7-9 right now and not leading off.


Springer is 34 now with a lot of mileage on him. I don’t think it’s anything other than Father Time and a gradual decline due to age. He’s still drawing walks and has a low BABIP which should normalize but he’s also making weak contact. I think he’s a 2 WAR player again this season, maybe a bit less, but 2025-26 could get ugly. Since he’s a veteran and they will try to show respect to him, I don’t think they are moving him down in the order but they probably should at this point.
TommyT
Ballboy
Posts: 10
And1: 10
Joined: Feb 27, 2024
     

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#47 » by TommyT » Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:58 pm

Ranger One wrote:
Hottie McShotty wrote:I don't trust Romano to come in and close a game anymore. Garcia needs to be our closer.


I honestly can't remember the last time he had a dominant 1-2-3 inning. He's looked like an average middle inning reliever since the second half of last year. Definitely doesn't have the stuff anymore to be a guaranteed save. Ill give him some more time since he's coming off the IL but man, he hasn't looked like the terminator for a while now. I actually cringe when SN does the whole " instead of going to commercial we're gonna stay here with you as we watch Romano exit the bullpen and slowly jog to the mound as dramatic music plays". They're still treating this guy like some legendary figure that throws 120mph and strikes out 5 guys per inning.


My worry as well. The closer role should be continuously earned than given and Garcia is earning it right now.
User avatar
Lateral Quicks
RealGM
Posts: 20,353
And1: 16,431
Joined: Dec 05, 2002
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#48 » by Lateral Quicks » Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:53 pm

It's remarkable this team is 13-10 despite the top three of the order along with Kirk laying an egg and with IKF and Kiermaier getting regular at-bats. We've been very fortunate with some key hits (many by Schneider) and Varsho getting hot. Very Tampa-esque.

The pitching and defense is very good, but the hitting is still a big problem. This team will not be above .500 when all is said and done if Springer/Vlag/Guerrero/Kirk don't hit on a regular basis. Fortunately I think we will see some regression to the mean, but I'm still very skeptical this offense has what it takes to be a true contender.
Nick Nurse recounting his first meeting with Kawhi:
“We could have gone forever. (Raptors management) kept knocking on the door and I was like, ‘A couple more minutes.’ Because we were really into it."
Fairview4Life
RealGM
Posts: 67,394
And1: 31,663
Joined: Jul 25, 2005
     

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#49 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:26 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:It's remarkable this team is 13-10 despite the top three of the order along with Kirk laying an egg and with IKF and Kiermaier getting regular at-bats. We've been very fortunate with some key hits (many by Schneider) and Varsho getting hot. Very Tampa-esque.

The pitching and defense is very good, but the hitting is still a big problem. This team will not be above .500 when all is said and done if Springer/Vlag/Guerrero/Kirk don't hit on a regular basis. Fortunately I think we will see some regression to the mean, but I'm still very skeptical this offense has what it takes to be a true contender.


Pitching and defense. All the wins have been 4 or less runs against I believe. All the losses 5 or more.
9. Similarly, IF THOU HAST SPENT the entire offseason predicting that thy team will stink, thou shalt not gloat, nor even be happy, shouldst thou turn out to be correct. Realistic analysis is fine, but be a fan first, a smug smarty-pants second.
JN
RealGM
Posts: 18,855
And1: 9,928
Joined: Feb 02, 2007
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#50 » by JN » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:46 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:It's remarkable this team is 13-10 despite the top three of the order along with Kirk laying an egg and with IKF and Kiermaier getting regular at-bats. We've been very fortunate with some key hits (many by Schneider) and Varsho getting hot. Very Tampa-esque.

The pitching and defense is very good, but the hitting is still a big problem. This team will not be above .500 when all is said and done if Springer/Vlag/Guerrero/Kirk don't hit on a regular basis. Fortunately I think we will see some regression to the mean, but I'm still very skeptical this offense has what it takes to be a true contender.


Giving at bats to IKF hasn't really been an issue so far this year. He has an OPS+ of 110.
He will regress of course back to his sub 100 norms, but he hasn't been a negative for us so far.
JN
RealGM
Posts: 18,855
And1: 9,928
Joined: Feb 02, 2007
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#51 » by JN » Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:48 pm

Any reason we don't go with Cavan Biggio to lead off instead of George Springer.

He was good in the second half last year, and his OBP is .370 this year.
Perhaps Springer somewhat surprisingly gets it going, then you can revert.
But I think Springer at 5-7 in the lineup might benefit the team and perhaps help Springer a bit too.
User avatar
WuTang_OG
RealGM
Posts: 33,523
And1: 43,538
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#52 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:17 pm

anyone listening to
Varsho's dad on blair?

guy was a joy to listen to

he was an outfield coach for years and taught his son thats why daulton is so good. says LF is hardest to play in his opinion cuz so many Right handed hitters and you have a split second to anticipate where its going off barrel. Says gaps is what does damage. Line drives you live with

Also said Don Mattingly end of last year told him to work on 3 things and daulton and his dad did in off-season, new form

liked arizona but loves toronto / team and city and thinks world series is possible here
DelAbbot
RealGM
Posts: 12,740
And1: 19,036
Joined: May 22, 2019
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#53 » by DelAbbot » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:22 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:anyone listening to
Varsho's dad on blair?

guy was a joy to listen to

he was an outfield coach for years and taught his son thats why daulton is so good. says LF is hardest to play in his opinion cuz so many Right handed hitters and you have a split second to anticipate where its going off barrel. Says gaps is what does damage. Line drives you live with

Also said Don Mattingly end of last year told him to work on 3 things and daulton and his dad did in off-season, new form

liked arizona but loves toronto / team and city and thinks world series is possible here


I noticed (please confirm) Rogers Center has more space in LF than RF (measured by plate to LF-Center, plate-to-LF, plate-to-LF-pole).

LF is harder to play than RF

3B is harder to play then 2B
User avatar
WuTang_OG
RealGM
Posts: 33,523
And1: 43,538
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#54 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:24 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:anyone listening to
Varsho's dad on blair?

guy was a joy to listen to

he was an outfield coach for years and taught his son thats why daulton is so good. says LF is hardest to play in his opinion cuz so many Right handed hitters and you have a split second to anticipate where its going off barrel. Says gaps is what does damage. Line drives you live with

Also said Don Mattingly end of last year told him to work on 3 things and daulton and his dad did in off-season, new form

liked arizona but loves toronto / team and city and thinks world series is possible here


I noticed (please confirm) Rogers Center has more space in LF than RF (measured by plate to LF-Center, plate-to-LF, plate-to-LF-pole).

LF is harder to play than RF

3B is harder to play then 2B

Image
User avatar
Brinbe
RealGM
Posts: 60,661
And1: 35,510
Joined: Feb 26, 2005
Location: Terana
         

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#55 » by Brinbe » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:34 pm

the record really is remarkable. offensively they take lots of walks, hit lots of doubles but not many homers. not really a team of thumpers.

starting pitching is seemingly pretty good but they've also been among the most hit-hard and have given up the most homers in the entire majors as a staff, though maybe that's the bullpen. and of course the great defense has also helped.

we can only hope they really begin to dominate if/when the offense heats up but you know that baseball doesn't work that way.
Image
spykelee
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 14,941
And1: 2,757
Joined: Sep 14, 2005
Location: Toronto
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#56 » by spykelee » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:45 pm

Vlad should learn bunting. At least he'd stop hitting into double plays *shrug* them again, with how he loafes to first base maybe not
greekman
Senior
Posts: 683
And1: 319
Joined: Nov 06, 2021

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#57 » by greekman » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:51 pm

how has guerrero become a worse hitter than semien ?
spykelee
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 14,941
And1: 2,757
Joined: Sep 14, 2005
Location: Toronto
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#58 » by spykelee » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:58 pm

greekman wrote:how has guerrero become a worse hitter than semien ?
Lmao. Is this post for real?

I can't believe Perez is "only" 33
Hottie McShotty
Analyst
Posts: 3,141
And1: 1,852
Joined: Mar 09, 2021
     

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#59 » by Hottie McShotty » Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:09 am

Kirk and his .179 BA is amazing!
User avatar
WuTang_OG
RealGM
Posts: 33,523
And1: 43,538
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24) 

Post#60 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:10 am

playing KK annoying

Return to Toronto Blue Jays