Blue Jays Vs. Rays (May 17-19)

[C Court]

Nate Pearson is a great example of the Jays organizational incompetence. Atkins drafted him in the first round, he was a stud in the minors and now at age 27 is a mediocre to below average major leaguer.

What happened to Shapiro’s promise of drafting a sustainable pipeline of quality young players to replenish the roster and make the Jays a perennial contender?

[Mehar]

Why was that fraud Pearson in the 8th inning of a 1 run lead

Just an idiotic move, which is the norm for this joke organization. Your prediction of 85 to 90 wins for this pathetic team back in April, is not looking so good right now. A greater probability of 85 to 90 losses instead with the way this team is functioning.

Yeah, playing like the worst team in baseball for two months had a strange way of altering my view on this team’s end record. Unlike the Jays’ FO, I actually judge these guys on their performance and not on performance modeling.

That is not necessarily true, when you called Kirk a Top 5 catcher before the year based on the "projections" and "models". You are no better than the clowns in the front office, when you said this was a 85 to 90 win team.

[Randle McMurphy]

Just an idiotic move, which is the norm for this joke organization. Your prediction of 85 to 90 wins for this pathetic team back in April, is not looking so good right now. A greater probability of 85 to 90 losses instead with the way this team is functioning.

Yeah, playing like the worst team in baseball for two months had a strange way of altering my view on this team’s end record. Unlike the Jays’ FO, I actually judge these guys on their performance and not on performance modeling.

That is not necessarily true, when you called Kirk a Top 5 catcher before the year based on the "projections" and "models". You are no better than the clowns in the front office, when you said this was a 85 to 90 win team.

What’s certainly true is that unlike you I am capable of shifting my opinion on something based on evidence (i.e. when Varsho has made it exceedingly obvious that he is a far better player than the no-hit catcher they traded away for him and easily the most valuable player on the Jays).

[Mehar]

Yeah, playing like the worst team in baseball for two months had a strange way of altering my view on this team’s end record. Unlike the Jays’ FO, I actually judge these guys on their performance and not on performance modeling.

That is not necessarily true, when you called Kirk a Top 5 catcher before the year based on the "projections" and "models". You are no better than the clowns in the front office, when you said this was a 85 to 90 win team.

What’s certainly true is that unlike you I am capable of shifting my opinion on something based on evidence (i.e. when Varsho has made it exceedingly obvious that he is a far better player than the no-hit catcher they traded away for him and easily the most valuable player on the Jays).

Varsho is definitely the most valuable .212 hitter in baseball. The best Mendoza Level .200 type player in MLB. We should always use hard evidence, and that is why I mentioned you were a fool in April, when you told me that this was a 85 to 90 win team and Kirk was a Top 5 Catcher based on projections.

I told you the so called "projections" and models mean very little, because they are educated guesses at best and should be ignored. You were talking about the "so called 2024 projections" for Kirk and Varsho. I am glad you have come around and now realize how foolish you sounded, when even others in this forum called you out on it.

[Randle McMurphy]

"ThiS OnE gAmE fRoM vArSHo sHoULd nOt GeT aNyOnE eXcItEd. He sTiLL oNLy hAS 19 RuNs BaTteD iN tHiS sEasOn WhIcH iS nOt eVeN toP 10 iN aMeRiCa leAgUe!"

Batting average?

[bluerap23]

These dudes really talkin bout Varsho like he is peak Mike Trout. Maybe they work for the coaching staff and that explains why they insist on batting a .200 guy 2nd in the order.

[Mehar]

"ThiS OnE gAmE fRoM vArSHo sHoULd nOt GeT aNyOnE eXcItEd. He sTiLL oNLy hAS 19 RuNs BaTteD iN tHiS sEasOn WhIcH iS nOt eVeN toP 10 iN aMeRiCa leAgUe!"

Batting average?

You would not be saying that Batting Average is a meaningless statistic, if your heroes Kirk and Varsho were not batting an atrocious .188 and .212 respectively. That is a guarantee.

[Randle McMurphy]

These dudes really talkin bout Varsho like he is peak Mike Trout. Maybe they work for the coaching staff and that explains why they insist on batting a .200 guy 2nd in the order.

Don’t have to be Mike Trout to be a 5 WAR player going forward (or vastly superior to the guy they traded for him).

[Randle McMurphy]

"ThiS OnE gAmE fRoM vArSHo sHoULd nOt GeT aNyOnE eXcItEd. He sTiLL oNLy hAS 19 RuNs BaTteD iN tHiS sEasOn WhIcH iS nOt eVeN toP 10 iN aMeRiCa leAgUe!"

Batting average?

You would not be saying that Batting Average is a meaningless statistic, if your heroes Kirk and Varsho were not batting an atrocious .188 and .212 respectively. That is a guarantee.

Since it isn’t 1998 any longer, I suspect I might.

[ItsDanger]

Your WAR over a full season isn't as relevant as you think when it comes down to a 1 on 1 matchup in the playoffs. Then, your betting average does matter. Hitting around .200 is a **** disaster no matter how anyone wants to spin it.

[Randle McMurphy]

Your WAR over a full season isn't as relevant as you think when it comes down to a 1 on 1 matchup in the playoffs. Then, your betting average does matter. Hitting around .200 is a **** disaster no matter how anyone wants to spin it.

It’s certainly far more relevant to judging a player’s value than batting average, particularly when they hit for power and are the best defensive player in the league by a fair margin.

[bluerap23]

These dudes really talkin bout Varsho like he is peak Mike Trout. Maybe they work for the coaching staff and that explains why they insist on batting a .200 guy 2nd in the order.

Don’t have to be Mike Trout to be a 5 WAR player going forward (or vastly superior to the guy they traded for him).

GuyS they traded for him

[JaysRule15]

Guys the Varsho trade isn't the reason our offense sucks or the bullpen can't hold a lead. Varsho has been fine this season. Having Moreno wouldn't have changed any outcome for this team.

[Mehar]

This team is trying to salvage a game against Tampa, and instead of having Danny Jansen as DH, he is sitting in place of Vogelbach and his .108 Average. I guess winning games is secondary, but making everyone feel well is primary for Schneider. You never want to have Kirk and Vogelbach be in the lineup together, except if it was a Buffet Lineup at a restaurant.

[Madvillainy2004]

Batting average discussions in 2024? Lmao

Regardless Varsho is an above average hitter by WRC+ and is the best defensive player in the sport idk why he's getting so much flak lol

[Randle McMurphy]

These dudes really talkin bout Varsho like he is peak Mike Trout. Maybe they work for the coaching staff and that explains why they insist on batting a .200 guy 2nd in the order.

Don’t have to be Mike Trout to be a 5 WAR player going forward (or vastly superior to the guy they traded for him).

GuyS they traded for him

The only thing more sad than pining for a player as bad as Lourdes is the state of this franchise right now

[Mehar]

Read on Twitter

According to you Batting Average Stats are meaningless, so why did you post this?

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

According to you Batting Average Stats are meaningless, so why did you post this?

To trigger this very reaction.

[Mehar]

Read on Twitter

According to you Batting Average Stats are meaningless, so why did you post this?

To trigger this very reaction.

The reaction that says that there is in fact a correlation with how you perform in terms of Batting Average, with how you ultimately produce offensively. Thanks for confirming that controversial fact.

[Madvillainy2004]

Credit to Alek 2nd consecutive great outing. Not sure on the peripherals and if this is sustainable but he's looking like he belongs again.