ST: Toronto Blue Jays vs Tampa Bay Rays (April 17 - 19)

[illy]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

[GP2]

I liked what I saw from Santos today. Seemed much more confident in his stuff.

[Avp115]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Who cares about the money? It's Rogers' money, not yours. There isn't a salary cap, in case you didn't notice.

[WpgPage]

Who cares how much hes paid Janssen had a 2.45 FIP last year. 2.54! Coco hasn't been less than 3.10 in the last 4 years. Depth is nice to have but the best pitcher should be pitching.

[spykelee]

Santos has looked really sharp the last couple of outings. That slider has had a lot of bite to it. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch late in games.

[illy]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Who cares about the money? It's Rogers' money, not yours. There isn't a salary cap, in case you didn't notice.

read my part again ****. did i say i'm paying them? they signed coco for 4.5 million and for 1 year. they wanna get their money worths. his experience as a closer is an asset to them. and to put him as the 8th inning man over jannsen makes sense.

all you basketball guys go back to the raps forums, you guys dont understand the game

[flatjacket1]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Who cares about the money? It's Rogers' money, not yours. There isn't a salary cap, in case you didn't notice.

Easy. Apparently its Rogers money and all he is trying to say is that it looks bad on AA if he isn't ever used. A discussion had to be made between AA and Rogers where AA had to sell Rogers on Cordero, and obviously he did. It just looks bad if he rides the bench now.

[illy]

Who cares how much hes paid Janssen had a 2.45 FIP last year. 2.54! Coco hasn't been less than 3.10 in the last 4 years. Depth is nice to have but the best pitcher should be pitching.

experience>

how many saves does coco have in his career?
how long as coco pitched in the majors?

and casey...

[illy]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Who cares about the money? It's Rogers' money, not yours. There isn't a salary cap, in case you didn't notice.

Easy. Apparently its Rogers money and all he is trying to say is that it looks bad on AA if he isn't ever used. A discussion had to be made between AA and Rogers where AA had to sell Rogers on Cordero, and obviously he did. It just looks bad if he rides the bench now.

thank you, sometimes it feels like im taking to kids.

[flatjacket1]

Who cares how much hes paid Janssen had a 2.45 FIP last year. 2.54! Coco hasn't been less than 3.10 in the last 4 years. Depth is nice to have but the best pitcher should be pitching.

experience>

how many saves does coco have in his career?
how long as coco pitched in the majors?

and casey...

Sorry going to have to disagree with you there. If we went by experience we never would have trade Vernon Wells and filled our roster with unproven (for lack of a better word) kids.

FIP is a great stat, much less volatile than ERA. When used in conjunction with LOB% it can tell a lot about pitchers. Casey has had a significant enough sample size too.

I'd say statistically speaking, I'd use Casey. But we won't, for reasons you have already mentioned.

[illy]

Who cares how much hes paid Janssen had a 2.45 FIP last year. 2.54! Coco hasn't been less than 3.10 in the last 4 years. Depth is nice to have but the best pitcher should be pitching.

experience>

how many saves does coco have in his career?
how long as coco pitched in the majors?

and casey...

Sorry going to have to disagree with you there. If we went by experience we never would have trade Vernon Wells and filled our roster with unproven (for lack of a better word) kids.

FIP is a great stat, much less volatile than ERA. When used in conjunction with LOB% it can tell a lot about pitchers. Casey has had a significant enough sample size too.

I'd say statistically speaking, I'd use Casey. But we won't, for reasons you have already mentioned.

smh. vernon was on the decline and had a big contract which is the reason why we traded him. yes he had a veteren presence, but was it worth that much money. NOPE! our bullpen last year sucked and we needed some proven vets (dont tell me rauch or francisco) were. the hitting and pitching are different planes. we needed stability in the bullpen.

[illy]

also stats dont tell everything. id take experience into consideration. stay behind your computer and rely on stats all you want, but stats wont tell you the whole story!

[flatjacket1]

smh. vernon was on the decline and had a big contract which is the reason why we traded him. our bullpen last year sucked and we needed some proven vets (dont tell me rauch or francisco) were. the hitting and pitching are different planes. we needed stability in the bullpen.

Again, statistically speaking Vernon was on the decline even before he signed that contract.



I understand why we traded Vernon, but you can't argue he isn't a veteran.

Frank Francisco was a proven vet, his career FIP was 3.54 over 338 IP. He appeared in 335 games and no matter how you spin it, was very successful.

Casey is the better pitcher. Cordero is the definition of declining even by your standards (lost a lot of FB velo) and his career numbers aren't even better than Franciscos.

[Randle McMurphy]

Cordero is the no thought designated 8th inning guy. It'll cost us a couple of wins before anything else is even considered.

what? you guys prefer jansen?

Yes, of course. But mainly I would prefer just playing the matchups. If guys have struggled their entire careers against lefties, use a lefty.

[Avp115]

thank you, sometimes it feels like im taking to kids.

Well, if you're going to make that statement, then you should at least spell everything right...

[illy]

thank you, sometimes it feels like im taking to kids.

Well, if you're going to make that statement, then you should at least spell everything right...

fast typer my friend, your knowledge of baseball is doodoo and you should be shown the front door

[illy]

smh. vernon was on the decline and had a big contract which is the reason why we traded him. our bullpen last year sucked and we needed some proven vets (dont tell me rauch or francisco) were. the hitting and pitching are different planes. we needed stability in the bullpen.

Again, statistically speaking Vernon was on the decline even before he signed that contract.



I understand why we traded Vernon, but you can't argue he isn't a veteran.

Frank Francisco was a proven vet, his career FIP was 3.54 over 338 IP. He appeared in 335 games and no matter how you spin it, was very successful.

Casey is the better pitcher. Cordero is the definition of declining even by your standards (lost a lot of FB velo) and his career numbers aren't even better than Franciscos.

can you show me some bar graphs and pie charts too? foh

[Randle McMurphy]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Making decisions based on how much somebody is paid is a terrible way to manage a baseball team.

[illy]

well i think the money paid to cordero has to be put to use. kinda political. hes not awful. but he hasnt been lights out. (neither has casey) so it makes sense for his use in the 8th.

Making decisions based on how much somebody is paid is a terrible way to manage a baseball team.

i agree, but his hasnt been awful or lights out like i said before. but again you take experience. add to the fact that he was paid 4.5 million dollars for a 1 year deal you play him. if he was awful then obviously you wouldnt see farrell put him in the 8th.

expected better from you randle..

[flatjacket1]

can you show me some bar graphs and pie charts too? foh

Okay... I'd rather use reason and logic to win arguments than insults and sarcasm. It will likely get me further in life.

As you can see from that chart, players start declining much earlier than traditionalist think.