2019 Minor Leagues/Prospect Discussion Thread

dagger · Post #2101 » by **dagger** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:33 pm

Matt Smoral's luck. He's having one of his better outings (by his standard, which hasn't been very high) and a batter drives one off his head. He's a pretty big target. Anyone, he's doing okay today, needed some stitches but that likely ends his season.

dagger · Post #2102 » by **dagger** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:53 pm

Ryan McBroom is Midwest League MVP

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150824&content_id=145065954&vkey=pr_t499&fext=.jsp&sid=t499

Raps_Swingman · Post #2103 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:55 pm

dagger wrote:Ryan McBroom is Midwest League MVP

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150824&content_id=145065954&vkey=pr_t499&fext=.jsp&sid=t499

Slashed .324/.395/.500 with a wRC+157.

Also shares the MVP distinction with our CF of today, Kevin Pillar.

Jays Journal had a piece on him last week...

http://jaysjournal.com/2015/08/18/toronto-blue-jays-prospect-spotlight-ryan-mcbroom/

dagger · Post #2104 » by **dagger** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:09 pm

Raps_Swingman wrote:
dagger wrote:Ryan McBroom is Midwest League MVP

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150824&content_id=145065954&vkey=pr_t499&fext=.jsp&sid=t499

Slashed .324/.395/.500 with a wRC+157.

Also shares the MVP distinction with our CF of today, Kevin Pillar.

Jays Journal had a piece on him last week...

http://jaysjournal.com/2015/08/18/toronto-blue-jays-prospect-spotlight-ryan-mcbroom/

He's not on any prospect list and not likely to get on one soon, especially with the money the team has invested in Tellez and Guerrero Jr., but some team out there might need a first baseman and will take a flyer on him in a future Rule 5 draft. Apparently, he's got a lot of the same intangibles as Pillar, but a first baseman has to show more long-ball power. He's done very well in that regard in August.

Raps_Swingman · Post #2105 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:35 am

dagger wrote:
Raps_Swingman wrote:
dagger wrote:Ryan McBroom is Midwest League MVP

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150824&content_id=145065954&vkey=pr_t499&fext=.jsp&sid=t499

Slashed .324/.395/.500 with a wRC+157.

Also shares the MVP distinction with our CF of today, Kevin Pillar.

Jays Journal had a piece on him last week...

http://jaysjournal.com/2015/08/18/toronto-blue-jays-prospect-spotlight-ryan-mcbroom/

He's not on any prospect list and not likely to get on one soon, especially with the money the team has invested in Tellez and Guerrero Jr., but some team out there might need a first baseman and will take a flyer on him in a future Rule 5 draft. Apparently, he's got a lot of the same intangibles as Pillar, but a first baseman has to show more long-ball power. He's done very well in that regard in August.

Different players for sure but he will have to use those intangibles to jump a couple levels next season like Pillar did in 2013. His biggest obstacle might be Tellez at this point and lack of ABs to go around at the next level. He will be an interesting one to watch next season if he's still around.

dagger · Post #2106 » by **dagger** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:19 pm

A little Anthopoulos hype for Connor Greene

Anthopoulos said finding ways to replenish the farm system will be discussed during the off-season: "But we have some guys," he said. "What happens is the next guys move up. Connor Greene right now is probably becoming our best prospect on the mound and we’re really excited about him. He’s 20-years-old, he’s up to 98, he’s in New Hampshire and tremendous stuff, tremendous competitor, he’s coming really fast. He’s making tremendous strides. He’s not famous but he’s about to be. The same way Norris wasn’t famous and some of these other guys, (Roberto) Osuna wasn’t famous. We’re excited about Sean-Reid Foley, we’re excited about Anthony Alford, obviously, we have guys like Dalton Pompey. We’re excited about Vladdy Guerrero Jr., we’re excited about (Richard) Urena. (Rowdy) Tellez, first baseman in Dunedin, just broke his hamate but he’s really exciting middle of the order power bat. The guys who got moved were the guys that were famous, and now this next wave, we think we have another really good crop and I think we’re going to supplement that with hopefully some strong drafts and good Latin American signings."

dagger · Post #2107 » by **dagger** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:08 pm

Got to give props to Justin Maese in the GCL, another big game. 6IP, 1R, 4H, 1BB, 10K.

Rbk_3 · Post #2108 » by **Rbk_3** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:15 am

Test post. My posts are not registering in the ST.

Edit- What is going on. Works fine here.

dagger · Post #2109 » by **dagger** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 10:36 pm

Another end of season crumb for the followers of this thread"

Shane Dawson magnificent in the first of two at Dunedin today.
7IP, 1H, 0R, 0BB, 4K, 8-3 GO/AO

He K'd the last two batters of the game

EastBayBoy · Post #2110 » by **EastBayBoy** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 4:33 am

AA really did destroy Miguel Castro by bringing him up to early. Rockies are just compounding that by making him a September call up. Castro was shelled for 4 ER 3H 1BB in 1.1 IP

JoeyBats · Post #2111 » by **JoeyBats** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 3:52 pm

EastBayBoy wrote:AA really did destroy Miguel Castro by bringing him up to early. Rockies are just compounding that by making him a September call up. Castro was shelled for 4 ER 3H 1BB in 1.1 IP

Castro was "more ready" than Osuna in April.

T-d0t · Post #2112 » by **T-d0t** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 10:47 pm

EastBayBoy wrote:AA really did destroy Miguel Castro by bringing him up to early. Rockies are just compounding that by making him a September call up. Castro was shelled for 4 ER 3H 1BB in 1.1 IP

He ruined him but not our problem.

EastBayBoy · Post #2113 » by **EastBayBoy** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 12:31 am

T-d0t wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:AA really did destroy Miguel Castro by bringing him up to early. Rockies are just compounding that by making him a September call up. Castro was shelled for 4 ER 3H 1BB in 1.1 IP

He ruined him but not our problem.

Didn't say it was our problem. I'm just pointing out how bringing prospects up to early is bad for development.

Fairview4Life · Post #2114 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 12:41 am

EastBayBoy wrote:
T-d0t wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:AA really did destroy Miguel Castro by bringing him up to early. Rockies are just compounding that by making him a September call up. Castro was shelled for 4 ER 3H 1BB in 1.1 IP

He ruined him but not our problem.

Didn't say it was our problem. I'm just pointing out how bringing prospects up to early is bad for development.

One example. It also doesn't tell us if Castro would have been fine in 3 years or whatever, if he hadn't been called up. Or if he will still be fine in 3 years despite being called up.

EastBayBoy · Post #2115 » by **EastBayBoy** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:11 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:
T-d0t wrote:
He ruined him but not our problem.

Didn't say it was our problem. I'm just pointing out how bringing prospects up to early is bad for development.

One example. It also doesn't tell us if Castro would have been fine in 3 years or whatever, if he hadn't been called up. Or if he will still be fine in 3 years despite being called up.

There are a number of different examples of players promoted to early.

Other than Catchers, pitchers take the second longest (position wise) to get to the majors( 24.4 years old via baseball prospectus).He came up at 20 years old, especially with his frame, it could be considered too early a promotion. Castro was brought up as a starter in the minors before being put in the pen this season because our bullpen was horrendous to start the season. He shouldn't have been up in the majors plain and simple. He still needed to work on his primary and secondary pitches as well as building up his innings. There was no reason for him to be up with the Jays.

However, as he is not a Jay anymore, his development process to start the season doesn't mean much anymore.

-MetA4- · Post #2116 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:53 am

Proclaiming that a prospect is "ruined" because of a few outings is absurd. He's pitched 13.2 MLB innings. 13.2 innings. Seriously, over the course of his career that will have zero impact on whether he succeeds or not.

Sifu · Post #2117 » by **Sifu** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 2:35 am

-MetA4- wrote:Proclaiming that a prospect is "ruined" because of a few outings is absurd. He's pitched 13.2 MLB innings. 13.2 innings. Seriously, over the course of his career that will have zero impact on whether he succeeds or not.

You forget that he is now mentally scarred for life. He's totally ruined now and no chance that he takes this as a learning experience to be more motivated to improve. Dude should just quit baseball now.

Fairview4Life · Post #2118 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 2:40 am

EastBayBoy wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:
Didn't say it was our problem. I'm just pointing out how bringing prospects up to early is bad for development.

One example. It also doesn't tell us if Castro would have been fine in 3 years or whatever, if he hadn't been called up. Or if he will still be fine in 3 years despite being called up.

There are a number of different examples of players promoted to early.

Other than Catchers, pitchers take the second longest (position wise) to get to the majors( 24.4 years old via baseball prospectus).He came up at 20 years old, especially with his frame, it could be considered too early a promotion. Castro was brought up as a starter in the minors before being put in the pen this season because our bullpen was horrendous to start the season. He shouldn't have been up in the majors plain and simple. He still needed to work on his primary and secondary pitches as well as building up his innings. There was no reason for him to be up with the Jays.

However, as he is not a Jay anymore, his development process to start the season doesn't mean much anymore.

I am not arguing any of that. There were all kinds of reasons why he wouldn't be successful in the pen this year (same with Osuna, but he seems ok). I am saying his career wasn't ruined by him not being good this year.

EastBayBoy · Post #2119 » by **EastBayBoy** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 4:59 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
One example. It also doesn't tell us if Castro would have been fine in 3 years or whatever, if he hadn't been called up. Or if he will still be fine in 3 years despite being called up.

There are a number of different examples of players promoted to early.

Other than Catchers, pitchers take the second longest (position wise) to get to the majors( 24.4 years old via baseball prospectus).He came up at 20 years old, especially with his frame, it could be considered too early a promotion. Castro was brought up as a starter in the minors before being put in the pen this season because our bullpen was horrendous to start the season. He shouldn't have been up in the majors plain and simple. He still needed to work on his primary and secondary pitches as well as building up his innings. There was no reason for him to be up with the Jays.

However, as he is not a Jay anymore, his development process to start the season doesn't mean much anymore.

I am not arguing any of that. There were all kinds of reasons why he wouldn't be successful in the pen this year (same with Osuna, but he seems ok). I am saying his career wasn't ruined by him not being good this year.

should have worded my first post better, I don't think hes ruined as a prospect, just that he should have and still should be in the minors developing, rather than in the majors.

dagger · Post #2120 » by **dagger** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:16 pm

-MetA4- wrote:Proclaiming that a prospect is "ruined" because of a few outings is absurd. He's pitched 13.2 MLB innings. 13.2 innings. Seriously, over the course of his career that will have zero impact on whether he succeeds or not.

Moreover, Castro has had injuries this season, too, and we forget how Osuna was struggling post-Tommy John last season. It's far too soon to pronounce a 20 year old "ruined".