McDaniel: Jays "Almost Definitely" going over 2015 IFA Pool

dagger · Post #21 » by **dagger** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 2:05 pm

Moxie wrote:Today's the big day, no????

Most signings have been announced now, but nothing from the Jays, and nothing on Guerrero. Would think that is imminent. Mets doing well with #2 and #6 rated prospects on BA list. #6 is Vlady's cousin.

Wally West · Post #22 » by **Wally West** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 2:14 pm

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-MetA4- · Post #23 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 3:12 pm

He won't officially sign today, as per his academy.

s e n s i · Post #24 » by **s e n s i** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:11 pm

-MetA4- wrote:He won't officially sign today, as per his academy.

guess they changed their minds! junior vlad!

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-MetA4- · Post #25 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:11 pm

Change of plans, he did indeed officially sign for $3.9 million.

Moxie · Post #26 » by **Moxie** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:14 pm

Woooooo!

Nights King · Post #27 » by **Nights King** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:24 pm

Spending almost all your money on one player and not going gangbusters over the cap is the worst thing you can do and ofcourse that's Mr.Anthopolous seems to be heading. He never passes up an opportunity to screw over the franchise.

-MetA4- · Post #28 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:32 pm

Nights King wrote:Spending almost all your money on one player and not going gangbusters over the cap is the worst thing you can do and ofcourse that's Mr.Anthopolous seems to be heading. He never passes up an opportunity to screw over the franchise.

You're an idiot.

-MetA4- · Post #29 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:38 pm

Going "gangbusters" over the cap would require the financial means to do so. Given the financial hoops we've been jumping through in attempt to improve our MAJOR LEAGUE team, what makes you think that Rogers would sign off on "going gangbusters" on a bunch of 16-18 year olds? They wouldn't.

Furthermore, "Mr. Anthopolous" wouldn't be steering the wheel of 16 year old IFA acquisitions you dolt. Tired of clueless tards giving their critique on **** they don't even have a basic grasp of.

vaff87 · Post #30 » by **vaff87** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:44 pm

-MetA4- wrote:
Nights King wrote:Spending almost all your money on one player and not going gangbusters over the cap is the worst thing you can do and ofcourse that's Mr.Anthopolous seems to be heading. He never passes up an opportunity to screw over the franchise.

You're an idiot.

Thank you.

s e n s i · Post #31 » by **s e n s i** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:45 pm

Lololol

Nights King · Post #32 » by **Nights King** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:47 pm

-MetA4- wrote:Going "gangbusters" over the cap would require the financial means to do so. Given the financial hoops we've been jumping through in attempt to improve our MAJOR LEAGUE team, what makes you think that Rogers would sign off on "going gangbusters" on a bunch of 16-18 year olds? They wouldn't.

Furthermore, "Mr. Anthopolous" wouldn't be steering the wheel of 16 year old IFA acquisitions you dolt. Tired of clueless tards giving their critique on **** they don't even have a basic grasp of.

Yeah, i'm sure the GM has no control over how the team spends money in international free agency, i mean that's crazy. If he doesn't have the money to go over cap why the **** is he blowing all our slot money and taking penalties just to sign one player? You support this inefficient strategy and i'm an idiot huh?

How the **** is the GM not responisble for us taking the least efficient route in IFA? On what universe does that actually make sense to you?

Nights King · Post #33 » by **Nights King** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 6:59 pm

"Teams that exceed the pools by 0 to 5 percent have to pay 100 percent tax, and teams that exceed the pools by 5 to 10 percent are not allowed to sign a player for more than $500,000 during the next signing period and also have to pay a 100-percent tax on the pool overage. Teams that exceed the pools by 10 to 15 percent are not allowed to sign a player for more than $300,000 during the next signing period and have to pay a 100-percent tax on the pool overage. In the most severe penalty, teams that exceed the pool by 15 percent or more are not allowed to sign a player for more than $300,000 during the next two signing periods, in addition to paying a 100-percent tax on the pool overage."

How many other teams have actually done this, going only slightly over cap and being hit with the the 15% over penalty just to sign one guy?

You either go way over the cap or if you can't afford it you try to use your slot money on multiple players but necessarily the top ones, no one other than this stupid GM has chosen this route. Its basic logic, and i'm not even the first one to say it, people on this forum have said the same thing before and yet Met has lost his mind for some reason.

-MetA4- · Post #34 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:13 pm

Nights King wrote:If he doesn't have the money to go over cap why the **** is he blowing all our slot money and taking penalties just to sign one player? You support this inefficient strategy and i'm an idiot huh?

Would you rather have the first pick in the MLB draft, or 5 second/third round picks? What is more likely to yield the greatest return?

They spent all their money on one player because they felt he was that good, and the tradeoff was worth it. I'm sure your years of experience scouting said players in this market are giving you optimal qualification to judge just how "inefficient" and "stupid" this strategy is. This regime, led by Ismael Cruz, has been very successful to date in evaluating and acquiring players from this region. I'm sure that they'd be absolutely riveted to hear your expert thoughts on how they should and shouldn't be allocating their funds.

The Brewers spent their entire pool on SS Gilbert Lara last year. To date, he's hitting .400/.429/.500 as a 17 year old in the Arizona League (and he's the second youngest player in the entire league). Stupid decision? Should they have signed 2-3 $1 million talents instead?

dagger · Post #35 » by **dagger** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:18 pm

Badler says the Jays made a trade to acquire additional allocation money, and so didn't exceed the 15% overage limit

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/blue-jays-agree-sign-1-international-prospect-vladimir-guerrero-jr/

-MetA4- · Post #36 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:21 pm

Nights King wrote:How many other teams have actually done this, going only slightly over cap and being hit with the the 15% over penalty just to sign one guy?

You either go way over the cap or if you can't afford it you try to use your slot money on multiple players but necessarily the top ones, no one other than this stupid GM has chosen this route. Its basic logic, and i'm not even the first one to say it, people on this forum have said the same thing before and yet Met has lost his mind for some reason.

The Brewers did it just last year (Gilbert Lara). The Rays also did it last year when they signed Adrian Rondon; the only other guy they signed was Jesus Sanchez who was #27 on BA's list (ie: they most definitely did not go "all in"). The Red Sox also went over to sign just two players.

-MetA4- · Post #37 » by **-MetA4-** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:24 pm

The Giants are doing the same thing as we are. They paid $6 million to SS Lucius Fox going well over their limit, and the only other player they are linked to is a guy "ranked' out of the Top 30 for $550K.

Nights King · Post #38 » by **Nights King** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:24 pm

-MetA4- wrote:
Nights King wrote:If he doesn't have the money to go over cap why the **** is he blowing all our slot money and taking penalties just to sign one player? You support this inefficient strategy and i'm an idiot huh?

Would you rather have the first pick in the MLB draft, or 5 second/third round picks? What is more likely to yield the greatest return?

They spent all their money on one player because they felt he was that good, and the tradeoff was worth it. I'm sure your years of experience scouting said players in this market are giving you optimal qualification to judge just how "inefficient" and "stupid" this strategy is. This regime, led by Ismael Cruz, has been very successful to date in evaluating and acquiring players from this region. I'm sure that they'd be absolutely riveted to hear your expert thoughts on how they should and shouldn't be allocating their funds.

The Brewers spent their entire pool on SS Gilbert Lara last year. To date, he's hitting .400/.429/.500 as a 17 year old in the Arizona League (and he's the second youngest player in the entire league). Stupid decision? Should they have signed 2-3 $1 million talents instead?

Guerrero is not the equivalent of the number 1 pick, so far he's received only the 5th highest bonus. Nor are 1-1.5 million guys the equivalent of a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Almost half the guys in the IFA top 30 have signed for that amount.

The Jays will be restricted from signing guys for more than 300K for the next years if they go over the cap by 15%, by your own logic those guys must be what, 8th-10th round picks? You should be honest about what the actual opportunity costs here are.

Nights King · Post #39 » by **Nights King** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:26 pm

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dagger · Post #40 » by **dagger** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 7:29 pm

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