Toronto Blue Jays (60-48) @ Baltimore Orioles (56-52) - August 8-10

Lateral Quicks · Post #81 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:03 am

How much longer are we going to give Bichette crucial at-bats? Imagine if Chapman had been up in that spot.

Bichette belongs in the 7-hole for the time being.

Randle McMurphy · Post #82 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:07 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:How much longer are we going to give Bichette crucial at-bats? Imagine if Chapman had been up in that spot.

Bichette belongs in the 7-hole for the time being.

Chapman has been ice cold for a week now. I'd be fine moving Bo down, but we've got bigger fish to fry (like giving 3-4 starts a week to 5+ ERA pitchers).

linery88 · Post #83 » by **linery88** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:26 am

This was the lineup from the 28-5 game v Boston.
Schneider has seemingly locked himself into Vlad being number 2,which was a mistake on his part-imo.
I would like them to go back to this or close to see what would happen.
G. Springer-Merrifield now
B. Bichette
V. Guerrero Jr
T. Hernandez
L. Gurriel Jr.
M. Chapman
S. Espinal
G. MorenoC Biggio
R. Tapia
Should we bat Merrifield 2nd when Springer comes back.
Wonder what they will do.

polo007 · Post #84 » by **polo007** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:06 am

Read on Twitter

Madvillainy2004 · Post #85 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:15 am

polo007 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I really hope this is just a manager defending his player to the media and behind the scenes they're saying "yeah 15 day IL neck strain"

linery88 · Post #86 » by **linery88** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:19 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
polo007 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I really hope this is just a manager defending his player to the media and behind the scenes they're saying "yeah 15 day IL neck strain"

Well if his neck strain is back,he needs to go on it for 15 minimum,as does Springer.
I,m still not convinced that 10 days will be enough for Springer to fully heal.
Kikuchi has to stick to his fastball,and lead with it like he did when he won at home,unless his neck strain is still nagging him.His velo was up to 96 tonite,so to me its still his reluctance to force his fastball more,and stick to it then gain confidence,and sail.

Madvillainy2004 · Post #87 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:23 am

Lol the offense getting criticized on reddit/twitter is blowing my mind. We had 12 hits and 4 runs nothing earth shattering but definitely winnable.

Madvillainy2004 · Post #88 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:25 am

linery88 wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
polo007 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I really hope this is just a manager defending his player to the media and behind the scenes they're saying "yeah 15 day IL neck strain"

Well if his neck strain is back,he needs to go on it for 15 minimum,as does Springer.
I,m still not convinced that 10 days will be enough for Springer to fully heal.
Kikuchi has to stick to his fastball,and lead with it like he did when he won at home,unless his neck strain is still nagging him.His velo was up to 96 tonite,so to me its still his reluctance to force his fastball more,and stick to it then gain confidence,and sail.

Oh by "neck strain" j mean another fake injury so we don't have to trot him out there. We should consider shutting him down tbh. How many more wasted games are gonna use with this guy?

Asianiac_24 · Post #89 » by **Asianiac_24** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 3:46 am

I’m sick of Kikuchi and Thornton. Kikuchi I understand when we keep giving him opportunities considering how much he is getting paid, but Thornton should be sent down. There’s got to be better relief pitchers than him in the minors than this guy. Every time he pitches, it’s just hard hits and home runs

DelAbbot · Post #90 » by **DelAbbot** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 4:52 am

I was told Jansen makes Kikuchi good and win us games

Jansen hitting .215 on the season now, career .213. Anyone who suggested we trade Kirk or Moreno on account of Jansen needs to go

DelAbbot · Post #91 » by **DelAbbot** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 4:58 am

Raps in 4 wrote:I never want to see Kikuchi pitch for this team again. I don't care how much he's owed.

But don't you feel for Kikuchi when he has that exasperated look "oh no, not again" upon serving a big fly in the 1st inning?

He knows how much he is disappointing the entire country of Canada. It's on Atkins for sticking with him in a sunk cost fallacy.

C Court wrote:Look on the bright side. Only 2-1/3 more years of Kikcrappi.

maybe he has a Hyun Jin Ryu like injury and not pitch for us again, while his salary is covered by insurance and not our payroll.

Take away Gausman and one year of Robbie Ray, Atkins' record in SP FA has been atrocious

Randle McMurphy · Post #92 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 5:22 am

DelAbbot wrote:Take away Gausman and one year of Robbie Ray, Atkins' record in SP FA has been atrocious

Gausman is the best SP in the league by fWAR right now and Robbie Ray won the Cy Young out of nowhere so those are pretty big things to take away.

DelAbbot · Post #93 » by **DelAbbot** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 5:25 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:Take away Gausman and one year of Robbie Ray, Atkins' record in SP FA has been atrocious

Gausman is the best SP in the league by fWAR right now and Robbie Ray won the Cy Young out of nowhere so those are pretty big things to take away.

Blind, squirrel, nut, something something.

Randle McMurphy · Post #94 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 5:26 am

I also don't think Kikuchi is getting opportunities right now because of how much he's getting paid (although that may come to start the season next year). He's getting them because we have put ourselves into a corner where he's the team's only realistic option to start games with Stripling on the IL and literally no high minors depth with Castillo gone.

Casey Lawrence and Thomas Hatch would be no better than this; Kikuchi literally has to keep starting every 5 days for now.

Randle McMurphy · Post #95 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 5:28 am

DelAbbot wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:Take away Gausman and one year of Robbie Ray, Atkins' record in SP FA has been atrocious

Gausman is the best SP in the league by fWAR right now and Robbie Ray won the Cy Young out of nowhere so those are pretty big things to take away.

Blind, squirrel, nut, something something.

I think they might be able to live off those nuts for a while.

Randle McMurphy · Post #96 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 5:28 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
polo007 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I really hope this is just a manager defending his player to the media and behind the scenes they're saying "yeah 15 day IL neck strain"

So they can start who though? We can't even afford him to go to Buffalo or the IL right now.

Hottie McShotty · Post #97 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 10:44 am

Good starting pitching wins you games! When you're down 4 or 5 runs early in the game that deflates your team. Atkins blew it by not getting us some more SP depth at the deadline knowing how bad Kikuchi has been this year and knowing Stripling's injury.

Parataxis · Post #98 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 1:27 pm

DelAbbot wrote:I was told Jansen makes Kikuchi good and win us games

Jansen hitting .215 on the season now, career .213. Anyone who suggested we trade Kirk or Moreno on account of Jansen needs to go

Nobody suggests trading Kirk or Moreno on account of Jansen.

People do suggest trading Kirk or Moreno on account of the return we can get.

That's a pretty fundamental difference.

Kevin Willis · Post #99 » by **Kevin Willis** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:14 pm

Who is the ace on this year's staff?

Mehar · Post #100 » by **Mehar** » Tue Aug 9, 2022 2:17 pm

Hottie McShotty wrote:Good starting pitching wins you games! When you're down 4 or 5 runs early in the game that deflates your team. Atkins blew it by not getting us some more SP depth at the deadline knowing how bad Kikuchi has been this year and knowing Stripling's injury.

Every Kikuchi Start is pretty much deflating when he gets knocked around, and putting the team behind on a consistent basis. This team needed another Starter in addition to White at the deadline. Did not happen, so if this team misses the playoffs- Shapiro/Atkins need to answer for that, instead of the Kid Gloves treatment they have been getting for 7 years by the Toronto Media.