Moderator: JaysRule15
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Kirk back to being a great hitter and Varsho back to being above average offensively in 2024 according to yet another projection system. If they hit like that, both will be easily among the most valuable at their positions next season.
What a trade.
s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
Cyrus wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:
Kirk back to being a great hitter and Varsho back to being above average offensively in 2024 according to yet another projection system. If they hit like that, both will be easily among the most valuable at their positions next season.
What a trade.
2.9 WAR for Kirk, 3.0 WAR for Varsho ? So your saying Varsho or kirk isn't gonna have as good as season as Gabriel had this past season
What does projection say for Gabriel in 2024 lol
galacticos2 wrote:MLB needs to introduce an Amnesty clause. Bautista would be my first victim.
s e n s i wrote:Cyrus wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:
Kirk back to being a great hitter and Varsho back to being above average offensively in 2024 according to yet another projection system. If they hit like that, both will be easily among the most valuable at their positions next season.
What a trade.
2.9 WAR for Kirk, 3.0 WAR for Varsho ? So your saying Varsho or kirk isn't gonna have as good as season as Gabriel had this past season
What does projection say for Gabriel in 2024 lol
i'm pretty sure that's fWAR lol (moreno had 1.7 in 2023)
agkagk wrote:s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
This is the exact reason i like that having 3 finalists per position.
It should help the writers in the long term from perrenially voting for the derek jeters of the world over the john macdonalds and yunesky betencourts or the world (or which ever 230 hitter should have won it).
Twenty-five percent of the selection total was determined by SABR’s Defensive Index metrics, while the other 75 percent was determined by votes from all 30 managers and up to six coaches from each team. Of the latter pool, managers and coaches were limited to voting on players in their own league, and they weren’t allowed to vote for any players on their own team. The utility Gold Glove wasn’t determined with any votes, but rather via a defensive formula calculated by SABR and Rawlings.
Cyrus wrote:agkagk wrote:s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
This is the exact reason i like that having 3 finalists per position.
It should help the writers in the long term from perrenially voting for the derek jeters of the world over the john macdonalds and yunesky betencourts or the world (or which ever 230 hitter should have won it).
Voting has changed.
Twenty-five percent of the selection total was determined by SABR’s Defensive Index metrics, while the other 75 percent was determined by votes from all 30 managers and up to six coaches from each team. Of the latter pool, managers and coaches were limited to voting on players in their own league, and they weren’t allowed to vote for any players on their own team. The utility Gold Glove wasn’t determined with any votes, but rather via a defensive formula calculated by SABR and Rawlings.
Cyrus wrote:agkagk wrote:s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
This is the exact reason i like that having 3 finalists per position.
It should help the writers in the long term from perrenially voting for the derek jeters of the world over the john macdonalds and yunesky betencourts or the world (or which ever 230 hitter should have won it).
Voting has changed.
Twenty-five percent of the selection total was determined by SABR’s Defensive Index metrics, while the other 75 percent was determined by votes from all 30 managers and up to six coaches from each team. Of the latter pool, managers and coaches were limited to voting on players in their own league, and they weren’t allowed to vote for any players on their own team. The utility Gold Glove wasn’t determined with any votes, but rather via a defensive formula calculated by SABR and Rawlings.
s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
Mehar wrote:s e n s i wrote:your annual reminder that derek jeter has 5 gold gloves, vladimir guerrero has a gold glove, and so does rafael palmeiro for a season where he DH'd in 80% of the games. absolutely **** pointless, trivial award that i legitimately thought no one took seriously until now.
Only reason Jeter got 5 Gold Gloves was because he played in New York.
Cyrus wrote:That's because back then media was voting, now it has some analytics and coaches voting, it seems much better, don't think Jeter would have won 5 gold gloves in this era of voting.
Mehar wrote:Cyrus wrote:That's because back then media was voting, now it has some analytics and coaches voting, it seems much better, don't think Jeter would have won 5 gold gloves in this era of voting.
Great point. I agree with this. Jeter would not have 5 Gold Gloves in this era of voting. Maybe managers around the league and the coaches as well, do not view Varsho the same way as some in this forum do who absolutely love him, despite his below average bat.
Parataxis wrote:Mehar wrote:Cyrus wrote:That's because back then media was voting, now it has some analytics and coaches voting, it seems much better, don't think Jeter would have won 5 gold gloves in this era of voting.
Great point. I agree with this. Jeter would not have 5 Gold Gloves in this era of voting. Maybe managers around the league and the coaches as well, do not view Varsho the same way as some in this forum do who absolutely love him, despite his below average bat.
His bat has nothing to do with the Gold Glove award.
DelAbbot wrote:There is still a chance Gabriel Moreno's power doesn't develop to more than 10hr / 600 PA. It will take away the pain
Why doesn't the team use Varsho at CF where he can really up his value via defense and not make this trade look so bad.
hyper316 wrote:Shakins traded away the best catcher out of the 3 we had for a OF that doesn't play everyday against LHP.
Double whammy
