Breaking: Varsho in, Moreno, Gurriel out

Fairview4Life · Post #861 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:55 am

I regret to inform you that Gabriel Moreno sucks again.

Randle McMurphy · Post #862 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:56 am

Another 0-fer in a WS game for the alleged phenom. He now has a OBP below .300 in the postseason as he watches his fraud of a team get closer to its deserved elimination.

Yeah, we're really missing out here.

Fairview4Life · Post #863 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:12 am

Guaranteed he hits a homer in game 4 though.

s e n s i · Post #864 » by **s e n s i** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:17 am

lovullo can't keep handing in that lineup card with moreno penciled in to the 3 hole if he's serious about winning this championship. perdomo or thomas, both of whom have been terrific this postseason, should probably get bumped up in the order in game 4.

Randle McMurphy · Post #865 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:24 am

s e n s i wrote:lovullo can't keep handing in that lineup card with moreno penciled in to the 3 hole if he's serious about winning this championship. perdomo or thomas, both of whom have been terrific this postseason, should probably get bumped up in the order in game 4.

1 for 14 in the WS is not what you want out of your #3 hitter, to be sure.

Post #866 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:24 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Another 0-fer in a WS game for the alleged phenom. He now has a OBP below .300 in the postseason as he watches his fraud of a team get closer to its deserved elimination.

Yeah, we're really missing out here.

We can only pray Varsho can get up to the heights at some point in his career.

Seasontickets · Post #867 » by **Seasontickets** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:32 am

s e n s i wrote:lovullo can't keep handing in that lineup card with moreno penciled in to the 3 hole if he's serious about winning this championship. perdomo or thomas, both of whom have been terrific this postseason, should probably get bumped up in the order in game 4.

The best part of this sentence is that you mention serious about winning the championship. Oh dear Jesus , I wish the Jays sniffed this opportunity.

The Blue Jays sentence goes… if Schneider was serious about scoring a run in the wild card series, he’d play Davis Schneider instead of Varsho. And I like Varsho.

But if they keep trading their assets for suboptimal outcomes, we’ll have to wait till the next crop of young cheap controllable players to build around.

Separate what you think of Morenos game by game performance and just simply look at the fact the we could have traded Moreno for more than Varsho. We basically traded $100 for $75 in player value.

The fact that he’s playing and not embarrassing himself at plate is already ahead of Varsho.

Varsho was the last batter of the Jays season. He struck out on 3 pitches. All fast balls. And I like Varsho. Just don’t tell me his trade value is equal to Moreno.

Randle McMurphy · Post #868 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:32 am

Cyrus wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Another 0-fer in a WS game for the alleged phenom. He now has a OBP below .300 in the postseason as he watches his fraud of a team get closer to its deserved elimination.

Yeah, we're really missing out here.

We can only pray Varsho can get up to the heights at some point in his career.

The heights of batting .071 in a World Series? Somehow I think Varsho would manage that.

Seasontickets · Post #869 » by **Seasontickets** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:37 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Another 0-fer in a WS game for the alleged phenom. He now has a OBP below .300 in the postseason as he watches his fraud of a team get closer to its deserved elimination.

Yeah, we're really missing out here.

We can only pray Varsho can get up to the heights at some point in his career.

The heights of batting .071 in a World Series? Somehow I think Varsho would manage that.

I’m enjoying this argument and thread. It’s a lot of fun and bait worthy. Let’s continue this argument when Varsho raises his career obp in the playoffs past.000.

Post #870 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:50 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Another 0-fer in a WS game for the alleged phenom. He now has a OBP below .300 in the postseason as he watches his fraud of a team get closer to its deserved elimination.

Yeah, we're really missing out here.

We can only pray Varsho can get up to the heights at some point in his career.

The heights of batting .071 in a World Series? Somehow I think Varsho would manage that.

So far he hasn't, he's batting a cool .000 in the playoffs. Maybe he should have tried his bunts for hit, that gave him like 10% of his hits in the regular season. :lol:

Like I said pray, it means Varsho would have done something positive from the batting end.

Randle McMurphy · Post #871 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:59 am

The light hitting Gabriel Moreno is getting so exposed in the WS right now that his apologists are resorting to laughing about 5 career Varsho ABs in the postseason. Sad, sad times indeed.

s e n s i · Post #872 » by **s e n s i** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:24 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:The light hitting Gabriel Moreno is getting so exposed in the WS right now that his apologists are resorting to laughing about 5 career Varsho ABs in the postseason. Sad, sad times indeed.

not only this but we are also at that point in the discussion (and that point in moreno's season) where people are pointing out moreno's WS appearance. nevermind daulton varsho, by this logic he is better than mike trout, folks.

Randle McMurphy · Post #873 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:27 am

Let’s recap this one more time: Because of this trade, the Jays ended up with two better catchers currently (and far superior playoff performers: Jansen has a career 1.308 OPS and Kirk has a career .862 OPS) on the roster than the in-over-his-head-in-the-WS light hitting Moreno as well as the best defensive player in baseball in CF (who, if he hits like he did over the 2nd half in 2024 will be one of the most valuable players in the league next season).

And yet, despite the clear logic behind and obvious value derived from the move, it’s being sold as not only a bad trade but somehow one of the worst in the franchise’s history? I know we are all looking for reasons to **** on this front office right now, but let’s try to make the narratives make at least a little sense going forward if we are going to do that.

Randle McMurphy · Post #874 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:46 am

Read on Twitter

Post #875 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:58 am

Light hitting? 4 hr and 10 hits, that's like 2 months of season for varsho? And in Playoffs, varsho better hope he has 50 game playoffs, maybe MLB will expand to 11 game series and more rounds, then he might get there.

Just bunt and be the light hitting of with defense, he can hope to be pillar.

Asianiac_24 · Post #876 » by **Asianiac_24** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:43 am

Varsho hasn’t played up to what we expected out of him. Whether or not Moreno goes .500 or .100 in the WS doesn’t change that.

Mehar · Post #877 » by **Mehar** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:25 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Let’s recap this one more time: Because of this trade, the Jays ended up with two better catchers currently (and far superior playoff performers: Jansen has a career 1.308 OPS and Kirk has a career .862 OPS) on the roster than the in-over-his-head-in-the-WS light hitting Moreno as well as the best defensive player in baseball in CF (who, if he hits like he did over the 2nd half in 2024 will be one of the most valuable players in the league next season).

And yet, despite the clear logic behind and obvious value derived from the move, it’s being sold as not only a bad trade but somehow one of the worst in the franchise’s history? I know we are all looking for reasons to **** on this front office right now, but let’s try to make the narratives make at least a little sense going forward if we are going to do that.

Jansen has played 4 post-season games in total as a Jay. Kirk has played in 5 games. Moreno has had two rough World Series games batting wise for sure, but he has played in 15 post-season games up to date. For you to throw out the Career post-season numbers to compare Moreno to Toronto's Catchers is a joke. You talk about how Varsho had only 5 PA's over 2 games, and how his 0 for 5 was a small sample size. Yet you have no problem comparing 4 or 5 Wild Card games of Kirk and Jansen, to the 15 overall of Moreno (in comparing post-season OPS). Why you forgetting the 12 games up to the World Series where Arizona's Manager credited Moreno as one of the reasons they are in the World Series in the first place? Varsho and Kirk could not lead the Jays to even a Wild Card Series win, as evidenced on how they choked in big spots.

Let's use the 162 Game MLB season instead for a better Sample Size. You make it seem like Kirk is some power monster, after clubbing only 8 home runs in 2023. Light Hitting Moreno in his Rookie Year had a much higher batting average, OPS, SLG, ON Base, RBI's, and one less homer (despite missing 3 weeks in August) than the supposed power bat of Kirk. Moreno was Number 1 in Defensive WAR in MLB as a 23 year old Rookie Catcher. Moreno had a WAR of 4.3, and Kirk had a WAR of 1.9 in 2023. Moreno also had a higher WAR than your Golden Boy Varsho. Moreno has one of the best arms in MLB, as evidenced in his Stats of throwing Runners out. For you to say Kirk is still a much better Catcher than Moreno, despite all the Stats (offensive and defensive) saying otherwise is something your hero Mike Shillner would say to make himself feel better.

Mehar · Post #878 » by **Mehar** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:57 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:The light hitting Gabriel Moreno is getting so exposed in the WS right now that his apologists are resorting to laughing about 5 career Varsho ABs in the postseason. Sad, sad times indeed.

I am laughing about Varsho's 2023 Season overall as a hitter, and not just his 5 At Bats. It is funny how you make no mention of the awful Batting Statistics of Varsho in 2023. Varsho was of the worst hitting Starting Outfielders in all of MLB this year. Instead of talking about 5 Post-Season At Bats, I am talking about the 158 Games Varsho played this year. Varsho had an atrocious OPS of .674, an awful Batting Average of .220, and terrible SLG, ON Base, and Strikeout Numbers. Even his Advanced Batting Statistics I reviewed fell below the league average.

Varsho was a total Black Hole in the lineup which his apologists like you ignore, since it does not fit your agenda. A player still has to come to the plate 4-5 times a game, and despite all the great defense he might play- Varsho being a defensive specialist like Bradley Zimmer and atrocious at the plate is not what this team expected, when they traded a Top 3 Prospect in MLB with 7 years of team control and the arm of Moreno. Ross Atkins said in Spring Training that Varsho would help replace the production of Teoscar Hernandez, and that definitely did not happen as the Jays bottom of the order hitting wise was a disgrace to watch thanks in large part to Varsho.

Fairview4Life · Post #879 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:11 pm

Making the same posts one more time is going to do the trick. I can feel it. This time it's going to work.

duppyy · Post #880 » by **duppyy** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:16 pm

It’s going to be a long ass off season lol. Hope we pull off a miracle and sign Ohtani