General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Season

VanWest82 wrote:I'm surprised Davis Schneider made it. He was one of the few disappointments of the blue jays spring training bats.

Are Clement and Lukes for real??

Schneider plays in both the infield and outfield, and has a bat that will hopefully wake up. I think it's the right place for him to start, but nobody thinks that the spot is his guaranteed for the year.

Clement seems to have figured things out. Not sure about Lukes.

Randle McMurphy · Post #608 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:34 pm

VanWest82 wrote:I'm surprised Davis Schneider made it. He was one of the few disappointments of the blue jays spring training bats.

Are Clement and Lukes for real??

Sadly for us (because practically our entire team crushed it in ST), ST numbers effectively don't matter at all. Davis needed to be on the team after last season.

We'll find out soon enough on Clement but he couldn't be much worse than Espinal.

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sounds like service clock manipulation for another year of bean counting (super 2)

bluerap23 · Post #613 » by **bluerap23** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:03 pm

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sounds like service clock manipulation for another year of bean counting (super 2)

Rodriguez was signed to a 5 year free agent contract for 32 million. He isn't subject to service clock.

DelAbbot · Post #614 » by **DelAbbot** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:07 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:

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sounds like service clock manipulation for another year of bean counting (super 2)

Rodriguez was signed to a 5 year free agent contract for 32 million. He isn't subject to service clock.

After these 5 years on his contract, he will be eligible for 1 year of arbitration. But if he stays in the minors for 20 days, then he will be eligible for 2 years of arbitration - taking him to age 34. It's all upside, no downside to this delayed clock.

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Randle McMurphy · Post #615 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:50 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:

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sounds like service clock manipulation for another year of bean counting (super 2)

Rodriguez was signed to a 5 year free agent contract for 32 million. He isn't subject to service clock.

After these 5 years on his contract, he will be eligible for 1 year of arbitration. But if he stays in the minors for 20 days, then he will be eligible for 2 years of arbitration - taking him to age 34. It's all upside, no downside to this delayed clock.

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I was wondering why they wouldn't put him on the roster (when scrubs like Parsons have found their way on it) and that explains that.

Michael Bradley · Post #616 » by **Michael Bradley** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:29 pm

The Jays can option Yariel without his approval in 2024. They cannot do that in 2025-beyond. So that, along with not being stretched out, is likely why he is starting in the minors. He's also a FA after his contract is up regardless of service time (like Gurriel was) so manipulation isn't happening here.

DelAbbot · Post #617 » by **DelAbbot** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:33 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:The Jays can option Yariel without his approval in 2024. They cannot do that in 2025-beyond. So that, along with not being stretched out, is likely why he is starting in the minors. He's also a FA after his contract is up regardless of service time (like Gurriel was) so manipulation isn't happening here.

That's not true. Every player's (including international FAs) service time is entirely determined by the # days he played in the MLB, not his contract.

There is no need for approval from your employee. Service clock manipulation has been done by teams on much better and readier prospects

https://www.news10.com/sports/cubs-3b-bryant-no-hard-feelings-on-losing-grievance/

Parataxis · Post #618 » by **Parataxis** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:43 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:The Jays can option Yariel without his approval in 2024. They cannot do that in 2025-beyond. So that, along with not being stretched out, is likely why he is starting in the minors. He's also a FA after his contract is up regardless of service time (like Gurriel was) so manipulation isn't happening here.

That's not true. Every player's (including international FAs) service time is entirely determined by the # days he played in the MLB, not his contract.

There is no need for approval from your employee. Service clock manipulation has been done by teams on much better and readier prospects

https://www.news10.com/sports/cubs-3b-bryant-no-hard-feelings-on-losing-grievance/

FWIW, Sportrac has him as a UFA at the end of his contract. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/toronto-blue-jays/yariel-rodriguez-87490/

Michael Bradley · Post #619 » by **Michael Bradley** » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:48 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:The Jays can option Yariel without his approval in 2024. They cannot do that in 2025-beyond. So that, along with not being stretched out, is likely why he is starting in the minors. He's also a FA after his contract is up regardless of service time (like Gurriel was) so manipulation isn't happening here.

That's not true. Every player's (including international FAs) service time is entirely determined by the # days he played in the MLB, not his contract.

There is no need for approval from your employee. Service clock manipulation has been done by teams on much better and readier prospects

https://www.news10.com/sports/cubs-3b-bryant-no-hard-feelings-on-losing-grievance/

That rule doesn't apply to international players who sign big league contracts. Most (if not all) international big league signings nowadays have the provision that the player can be a FA after the contract ends. Gurriel for example had 5 years of service time after 2023 but was still allowed to be a FA because his 7 year deal with the Jays was over. Rodriguez has the same type of contract. The type of manipulation you are referring to is done to prospects that were drafted or were international (non-MLB contract) signings.

This is from Shi Davidi last month: "His $32-million, five-year contract allows the Blue Jays to option him without his approval this season only (he’ll also be a free agent once the deal expires), an inclusion that demonstrates the need for flexibility with him."

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