GT - Blue Jays 12-10 at KC 13-9 (April 22-24)

Randle McMurphy · Post #161 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:54 am

They're gonna lose by 1 run in a game where they gave up a run due to a player completely misplaying a flyball at a position he's literally never played at before.

Unserious franchise.

Randle McMurphy · Post #162 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:15 am

Why is Turner hitting now and not earlier when a LHP was pitching with two on and nobody out

duppyy · Post #163 » by **duppyy** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:22 am

I feel like Biggio is always striking out looking.

linery88 · Post #164 » by **linery88** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:29 am

What pitch are you looking for to swing at Biggio?

Madvillainy2004 · Post #165 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:35 am

Bo and Vlad have been terrible Jesus

Madvillainy2004 · Post #166 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:36 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:They're gonna lose by 1 run in a game where they gave up a run due to a player completely misplaying a flyball at a position he's literally never played at before.

Unserious franchise.

Crazy this team has 0 margin for error defensively and we do that lol

Mehar · Post #167 » by **Mehar** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:49 am

I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

Lateral Quicks · Post #168 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:02 am

The same team that brought back Kiermaier for his outfield defense decided to start a rookie at an outfield position he's never played before?

Not only is that bad for the team, it's bad for Barger. There's enough pressure on the kid starting his first MLB game - why do that to him. Just dumb all around.

Randle's right, it really is an unserious franchise. I bet all those analytics gurus running the show got big raises after last year's playoff debacle.

DelAbbot · Post #169 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:15 am

Read on Twitter

linery88 · Post #170 » by **linery88** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:37 am

DelAbbot wrote:

Read on Twitter

The Bisons HC would be a great addition.
Or make Mattignly the official HC.
A serious team would have fired Guillermo at the least,after last season.
Makes me wonder how some of the players feel about having to listen to this guy,but the players at the top should be doing a lot better than they are.

Randle McMurphy · Post #171 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:40 am

Mehar wrote:I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

There’s really nothing wrong with Vogelbach, he is what he is (a platoon DH/pinch hit option that should never be used against a LHP). It’s not his fault the team is either too stupid or too unserious to use him properly in games.

Mehar · Post #172 » by **Mehar** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:22 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Mehar wrote:I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

There’s really nothing wrong with Vogelbach, he is what he is (a platoon DH/pinch hit option that should never be used against a LHP). It’s not his fault the team is either too stupid or too unserious to use him properly in games.

Even as a platoon DH Pinch hit option, he has been a terrible below average hitter who struck out a tonne ever since 2016 (outside of one decent year). I am sure Martinez or Horwitz in Buffalo can do a lot better than hitting .118 like Vogelvach right now.

johanliebert · Post #173 » by **johanliebert** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:04 am

Mehar wrote:I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

Vogelbach has had 13 ab’s

Mehar · Post #174 » by **Mehar** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:09 am

johanliebert wrote:
Mehar wrote:I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

Vogelbach has had 13 ab’s

He has had 17 AB's. However, I rather have Martinez or Horwitz here given the chance over him. 8 years of prior hitting data show us that Vogelbach is what he is- a terrible below average hitter who strikes out a lot. One decent Spring Training this year does not change that fact.

Randle McMurphy · Post #175 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:51 am

He’s a 125 career wRC+ against RHP and a 35 career wRC+ against LHP. I can only presume the manager had no idea of that given his usage in last night’s game.

I tend to agree that you can’t have him on the roster any longer if the team is either too stupid or too unserious to make use of him properly though. Unfortunately we’re miles away from the common sense Gibbons days of managing.

Jerry Lucas · Post #176 » by **Jerry Lucas** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:25 pm

The thing that makes even less sense about Barger in LF last night, was that even among the players who started Clement would have been a better and more experienced defensive option at LF than Barger.

DelAbbot · Post #177 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 2:45 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:He’s a 125 career wRC+ against RHP and a 35 career wRC+ against LHP. I can only presume the manager had no idea of that given his usage in last night’s game.

I tend to agree that you can’t have him on the roster any longer if the team is either too stupid or too unserious to make use of him properly though. Unfortunately we’re miles away from the common sense Gibbons days of managing.

have you heard of Gibby gut?

In seriousness, Gibbons manages to sabermetrics perfectly during the playoffs

Ranger One · Post #178 » by **Ranger One** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:54 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Mehar wrote:I am still dumbfounded why Turner did not pinch hit earlier for Vogelbach? Did Schneider not see the numbers that point out that Vogelbach is atrocious against LHP? I have seen enough of Vogelbach. He should no longer be taking up a MLB roster spot.

I rather have one of the guys from Buffalo like Horwitz or Martinez get the chance instead. It is a joke they had Barger starting in LF, a position he has never played in previously for his MLB debut. I bet you no other MLB franchise would be that stupid to have made those two moves tonight. Just throwing away games in April and losing by 1 Run due to sheer stupidity.

Vogelbach has had 13 ab’s

Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me lmao

Fairview4Life · Post #179 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:15 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:He’s a 125 career wRC+ against RHP and a 35 career wRC+ against LHP. I can only presume the manager had no idea of that given his usage in last night’s game.

I tend to agree that you can’t have him on the roster any longer if the team is either too stupid or too unserious to make use of him properly though. Unfortunately we’re miles away from the common sense Gibbons days of managing.

have you heard of Gibby gut?

In seriousness, Gibbons manages to sabermetrics perfectly during the playoffs

Gibby's entire coaching motto was essentially "don't do dumb ****". Recognizing what dumb **** is is apparently not very common unfortunately.

DelAbbot · Post #180 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:32 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:He’s a 125 career wRC+ against RHP and a 35 career wRC+ against LHP. I can only presume the manager had no idea of that given his usage in last night’s game.

I tend to agree that you can’t have him on the roster any longer if the team is either too stupid or too unserious to make use of him properly though. Unfortunately we’re miles away from the common sense Gibbons days of managing.

have you heard of Gibby gut?

In seriousness, Gibbons manages to sabermetrics perfectly during the playoffs

Gibby's entire coaching motto was essentially "don't do dumb ****". Recognizing what dumb **** is is apparently not very common unfortunately.

John Schneider looks like a dumb person