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last stand wrote:The commanders hiring Dan Quinn just proves nothings really changed
This reminds me eerily of when the Texans hired lovie smith because they weren’t an attractive destination and wanted to wait for the right candidate and more pieces
Problem is though the commanders have the picks, they have the new ownership they have a clean slate, now was the time
They desperately needed to bring someone in that was going to do something different. There’s gotta be someone out there after 8-10 interviews that’s the right guy.
Ben Johnson was their guy all along. When he backed out, they really didn't have a ton of choices this late in the process.
When they got word from Johnson, they then tried to pivot to MacDonald, but it was too late because him going to Seattle was all but done at that point. So, Quinn was honestly probably their best option left. Quinn isn't a bad hire. It's just not a very sexy one.
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Cactus Jack wrote:last stand wrote:The commanders hiring Dan Quinn just proves nothings really changed
This reminds me eerily of when the Texans hired lovie smith because they weren’t an attractive destination and wanted to wait for the right candidate and more pieces
Problem is though the commanders have the picks, they have the new ownership they have a clean slate, now was the time
They desperately needed to bring someone in that was going to do something different. There’s gotta be someone out there after 8-10 interviews that’s the right guy.
Ben Johnson was their guy all along. When he backed out, they really didn't have a ton of choices. They then tried to pivot to MacDonald, but it was too late because him going to Seattle was all but done at that point. Quinn was honestly probably their best option left.
Quinn isn't a bad hire. It's just not a sexy one.
I would never hire a defensive specialist like him whose washed and over the hill. It would have been a good hire in 1995.
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azcatz11 wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:last stand wrote:The commanders hiring Dan Quinn just proves nothings really changed
This reminds me eerily of when the Texans hired lovie smith because they weren’t an attractive destination and wanted to wait for the right candidate and more pieces
Problem is though the commanders have the picks, they have the new ownership they have a clean slate, now was the time
They desperately needed to bring someone in that was going to do something different. There’s gotta be someone out there after 8-10 interviews that’s the right guy.
Ben Johnson was their guy all along. When he backed out, they really didn't have a ton of choices. They then tried to pivot to MacDonald, but it was too late because him going to Seattle was all but done at that point. Quinn was honestly probably their best option left.
Quinn isn't a bad hire. It's just not a sexy one.
I would never hire a defensive specialist like him whose washed and over the hill. It would have been a good hire in 1995.
The Hawks wanted MacDonald from the start. He was their guy. But they likely would have hired Quinn if MacDonald didn't want the job. He was essentially their fallback guy.
Quinn wasn't terrible as a HC. It's just not as appealing a hire compared to some of these younger coordinators.
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It’s a good hire . The players love him . He got whooped by Lafluer and Shanahan . The GB game was awful . Guys flat out wide open all game but I guess that just happens .
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Cactus Jack wrote:azcatz11 wrote:Cactus Jack wrote:Ben Johnson was their guy all along. When he backed out, they really didn't have a ton of choices. They then tried to pivot to MacDonald, but it was too late because him going to Seattle was all but done at that point. Quinn was honestly probably their best option left.
Quinn isn't a bad hire. It's just not a sexy one.
I would never hire a defensive specialist like him whose washed and over the hill. It would have been a good hire in 1995.
The Hawks wanted MacDonald from the start. He was their guy. But they likely would have hired Quinn if MacDonald didn't want the job. He was essentially their fallback guy.
Quinn wasn't terrible as a HC. It's just not as appealing a hire compared to some of these younger coordinators.
He immediately comes in as a bottom coach in the league. You will never win anything with him. He should have been kicked out of the league after the Patriots game.
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If I were a Washington fan I would like to see him hire a DC . Not sure if it could be anyone he brings from Dallas . Al Harris is a MM guy and should get a interview for the Dallas DC job
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Mr B wrote:Washington WR tweeted this after they announced Dan Quinn as the new HC.
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If Washington wants Micah just send Dallas this years 1st, next years 1st, and Jonathan Allen and they can have him.
This year's first is probably earmarked for a QB.
Not really a Niners-like hire by Adam Peters, but just like any other defensive coach the OC they hire will make them sink or swim.
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El Turco wrote:Surprised both Slowik and Ben Johnson staying, I guess Slowik wasnt ready but everyone expected Ben Johnson would definitely get one of the jobs--particularly Commies. Especially after he called a great game against Niners.
Maybe there is some agreement he would be the head coach for Lions soon, they get rid knee capper and put the real star of the show in charge.
There was a report that Slowik bombed in interviews. Atlanta might have been the only job that he got a 2nd interview iirc.
It sounds like Johnson wanted too much money for a first time HC. Which hurt his stock.
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SurfAndTurf wrote:If I were a Washington fan I would like to see him hire a DC . Not sure if it could be anyone he brings from Dallas . Al Harris is a MM guy and should get a interview for the Dallas DC job
Al Harris is quoted as saying he’s going wherever Dan Quinn goes. Word is he’s also taking Joe Whitt with him.
The rumors have the Cowboys looking at Mike Zimmer, Mike Vrabel, or Ron Rivera for their DC.
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El Turco wrote:Mr B wrote:Washington WR tweeted this after they announced Dan Quinn as the new HC.
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If Washington wants Micah just send Dallas this years 1st, next years 1st, and Jonathan Allen and they can have him.
This year's first is probably earmarked for a QB.
Not really a Niners-like hire by Adam Peters, but just like any other defensive coach the OC they hire will make them sink or swim.
If I’m the Cowboys I could probably be talked in to Washington’s 2nd and 3rd this year and their 1st and 2nd next year for Micah Parsons. Oh and Johnathan Allen.
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Mr B wrote:SurfAndTurf wrote:If I were a Washington fan I would like to see him hire a DC . Not sure if it could be anyone he brings from Dallas . Al Harris is a MM guy and should get a interview for the Dallas DC job
Al Harris is quoted as saying he’s going wherever Dan Quinn goes. Word is he’s also taking Joe Whitt with him.
The rumors have the Cowboys looking at Mike Zimmer, Mike Vrabel, or Ron Rivera for their DC.
I would think Jerry can keep Whitt if he wants . The Dallas DC job most likely comes with a very good chance of becoming the HC next season . Unless you think Dallas is a lock for a NFCCG appearance . Vrabel sounds like he’s taking a year off . Rivera wouldn’t be a bad hire . Not sure about Zimmer .
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SurfAndTurf wrote:Mr B wrote:SurfAndTurf wrote:If I were a Washington fan I would like to see him hire a DC . Not sure if it could be anyone he brings from Dallas . Al Harris is a MM guy and should get a interview for the Dallas DC job
Al Harris is quoted as saying he’s going wherever Dan Quinn goes. Word is he’s also taking Joe Whitt with him.
The rumors have the Cowboys looking at Mike Zimmer, Mike Vrabel, or Ron Rivera for their DC.
I would think Jerry can keep Whitt if he wants . The Dallas DC job most likely comes with a very good chance of becoming the HC next season . Unless you think Dallas is a lock for a NFCCG appearance . Vrabel sounds like he’s taking a year off . Rivera wouldn’t be a bad hire . Not sure about Zimmer .
The problem with being the DC in Dallas is that MM is a lame duck HC and coaches don’t like getting into those situations where you’re working for a lame duck HC. Is there a chance that the next DC could be the next HC sure, buts there is probably a greater chance that you’re just looking for a new job next season.
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1. Chargers. Home run. Best and hottest commodity at the start of the process. And the Chargers won in acquiring Harbaugh.
2. Falcons. Raheem Morris has shown the ability to change and adapt during difficult circumstances. The Rams defense was Great. Dumped many guys, were trash. And he brought them to level of respect
3. Raiders. Pierce is Admission of failure. They made a mistake in firing one guy and then hiring one guy. And now are making Admission by just sticking with Pierce
4. Panthers. Why? Not why select Canales. But why would any coach want to take this job?
5. Titans. You guys Dumped Vrabel for this guy? FAIL
6. Seahawks. Quite possibly just hired Brandon Staley
7. Commanders. New ownership. And missed on wanted candidates because they were sleeping at the Wheel. FAIL
8. Patriots. Coach Belliechek is still coaching this team. FAIL
2. Falcons. Raheem Morris has shown the ability to change and adapt during difficult circumstances. The Rams defense was Great. Dumped many guys, were trash. And he brought them to level of respect
3. Raiders. Pierce is Admission of failure. They made a mistake in firing one guy and then hiring one guy. And now are making Admission by just sticking with Pierce
4. Panthers. Why? Not why select Canales. But why would any coach want to take this job?
5. Titans. You guys Dumped Vrabel for this guy? FAIL
6. Seahawks. Quite possibly just hired Brandon Staley
7. Commanders. New ownership. And missed on wanted candidates because they were sleeping at the Wheel. FAIL
8. Patriots. Coach Belliechek is still coaching this team. FAIL
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I would have hired Vrabel all day long over a DC who can't stop the run with so much talent on the defensive end. WTF defense is much worse so good luck with that. Vrabel is a highly respected and regarded players HC who defended the Brady and the defending champions the last time they met in the playoffs. In fact Harbaugh was the only coach I would hire over Vrabel of those available. Not his fault FO traded AC Brown away. NO WAY would I hire a first time HC who has a good chance of ending up like Hackett losing the locker room during his 1st year.LAKESHOW wrote:1. Chargers. Home run. Best and hottest commodity at the start of the process. And the Chargers won in acquiring Harbaugh.
2. Falcons. Raheem Morris has shown the ability to change and adapt during difficult circumstances. The Rams defense was Great. Dumped many guys, were trash. And he brought them to level of respect
3. Raiders. Pierce is Admission of failure. They made a mistake in firing one guy and then hiring one guy. And now are making Admission by just sticking with Pierce
4. Panthers. Why? Not why select Canales. But why would any coach want to take this job?
5. Titans. You guys Dumped Vrabel for this guy? FAIL
6. Seahawks. Quite possibly just hired Brandon Staley
7. Commanders. New ownership. And missed on wanted candidates because they were sleeping at the Wheel. FAIL
8. Patriots. Coach Belliechek is still coaching this team. FAIL
https://youtu.be/R9xKoauyyBc?si=lKwptYOUzhXy_aNm
Quinn gets an D- grade here.
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I would hire Wilks over Quinn between the two cause he has a way to motivate his players to overachieve themselves during his interim gig at Carolina when they fired Rhules. I think they won like 6 of their last 8 games under Wilks.El Turco wrote:wembambamya wrote:I dont love Eagles' hires but as you guys say it was probably slim pickins. Everyone should raid Rams and Niners staff every year lol even though I dont know who is available who is their coordinators etc
I think new rules really make it difficult to hire personnel from teams that are still playing. Niners dont really have an offensive coordinator Kubiak's kid is the closest to it but there is also Chris Foerster and Anthony Lynn but their duties are really specialized. Foerster and Kubiak seems to have some promise but havent heard anything special about them--IIRC Foerster's dad was the guy who got caught doing coke in Dolphins facility not that it means anything lol
Niners DC is Steve Wilks and I dont think you want him
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Hopefully Quinn doesn't have final say on personals.
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WentzerWuver wrote:I would hire Wilks over Quinn between the two cause he has a way to motivate his players to overachieve themselves during his interim gig at Carolina when they fired Rhules. I think they won like 6 of their last 8 games under Wilks.El Turco wrote:wembambamya wrote:I dont love Eagles' hires but as you guys say it was probably slim pickins. Everyone should raid Rams and Niners staff every year lol even though I dont know who is available who is their coordinators etc
I think new rules really make it difficult to hire personnel from teams that are still playing. Niners dont really have an offensive coordinator Kubiak's kid is the closest to it but there is also Chris Foerster and Anthony Lynn but their duties are really specialized. Foerster and Kubiak seems to have some promise but havent heard anything special about them--IIRC Foerster's dad was the guy who got caught doing coke in Dolphins facility not that it means anything lol
Niners DC is Steve Wilks and I dont think you want him
https://youtu.be/HA6_adCSZ1g?si=7Y-wmF0VHZdN9i-o
Hopefully Quinn doesn't have final say on personals.
Teams often come together and string together few wins after head coach gets fired, he wasnt good with Arizona. More importantly he frequently gets out schemed with Niners despite having superior talent in most weeks, he is the weak link. Tbf I dont rate Quinn much as a head coach either.
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LAKESHOW wrote:1. Chargers. Home run. Best and hottest commodity at the start of the process. And the Chargers won in acquiring Harbaugh.
2. Falcons. Raheem Morris has shown the ability to change and adapt during difficult circumstances. The Rams defense was Great. Dumped many guys, were trash. And he brought them to level of respect
3. Raiders. Pierce is Admission of failure. They made a mistake in firing one guy and then hiring one guy. And now are making Admission by just sticking with Pierce
4. Panthers. Why? Not why select Canales. But why would any coach want to take this job?
5. Titans. You guys Dumped Vrabel for this guy? FAIL
6. Seahawks. Quite possibly just hired Brandon Staley
7. Commanders. New ownership. And missed on wanted candidates because they were sleeping at the Wheel. FAIL
8. Patriots. Coach Belliechek is still coaching this team. FAIL
Maybe I would have Jerod Mayo couple spots higher but sounds about right. This carousel season has been very uninspiring, coaches left out are better than the ones that got jobs. That's why quarter of the league changes coaches every year.
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Mr B wrote:SurfAndTurf wrote:Mr B wrote:Al Harris is quoted as saying he’s going wherever Dan Quinn goes. Word is he’s also taking Joe Whitt with him.
The rumors have the Cowboys looking at Mike Zimmer, Mike Vrabel, or Ron Rivera for their DC.
I would think Jerry can keep Whitt if he wants . The Dallas DC job most likely comes with a very good chance of becoming the HC next season . Unless you think Dallas is a lock for a NFCCG appearance . Vrabel sounds like he’s taking a year off . Rivera wouldn’t be a bad hire . Not sure about Zimmer .
The problem with being the DC in Dallas is that MM is a lame duck HC and coaches don’t like getting into those situations where you’re working for a lame duck HC. Is there a chance that the next DC could be the next HC sure, buts there is probably a greater chance that you’re just looking for a new job next season.
Working under a lame duck coach means the chances of you being unemployed in a year or two are fairly high. I'm not sure it's all that desirable.
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