Draft thread

[Mr B]

Interesting perspective, but why are the Vikings the OBVIOUS choice for JJ?!? The only reason they signed Sam D is due to his cannon arm to get the ball to their deep threats like Jefferson and Addison. Only problem with that is he tends to pass to ghost more than to his teammates. Maye resembles Darnold more than those other QB with a huge cannon arm. I still think his floor is low and needs work as far as transitioning to the NFL but his ceiling is higher than any other QB in this class meaning he could be the next Josh Allen. Vikings are not a running team which JJ specialized in at Michigan.

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/29/vikings-trade-up-yet-again-franchise-quarterback-drake-maye/

Here's a possibility that i think could happen which is NOT in any mock draft. Harbaugh drafts JJ at 5 cause of his complete understanding on how to implement Harbaugh's offensive schemes that won them the NCAAF CFP. He wants to bring the Michigan Way to the NFL and wants Michigan men like himself to make it happen. Besides JJ, Harbaugh will nab Corum and Roman later in the draft.

https://youtube.com/shorts/MkkKU4AGluM?si=oS9iCCLlNLxWylyu

https://youtube.com/shorts/sGy0SfosaQU?si=VTBNgX5WtbQoQg2b

Now imagine how much Harbaugh can get by trading Herbert who is an underachiever imo and needs a change in scenery along with Keenan, Ekeler and Williams. Herbert is still consider an elite QB in his prime so we are talking about 2 first round picks and a 3rd at a minimum with a bunch of suiters lining up begging to land him while clearing the Chargers of his huge contract as well.

Don't say it can't happen

I do like your take on NE trading down to accumulate picks and then trade back up like Miami did with the 49ers and the Eagles for Waddle. Agree NE will trade down but will have no intentions of drafting a franchise QB other than picking up a backup low in the draft and will ride with Jacoby as their starter after trading for him. Why? As a 1st year HC at any level, he doesn't need the added pressure of starting or having a franchise QB on his roster and will be better off drafting their franchise in the 2025 class. It's all about accumulating future picks now to rebuild their roster over any one player which is the Patriots Way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-hc-jerod-mayo-reveals-true-feelings-on-bringing-back-qb-jacoby-brissett/ar-BB1ksiEl

My prediction on where the top QB will end up.

Caleb to Bears
Daniels to DC
Maye to Vikings
JJ to Chargers
Penix Jr to Seahawks
Bo to Broncos
Milton to Raiders

I like a lot of what you are thinking here. Harbaugh getting back his college QB, an Alex Smith type who manages the game and is a good leader for what is mostly a running offense.

I just don't see the Chargers trading Herbert now. If they'd wanted to deal him, they likely would have been able to trade him to the Bears for the #1, #9, and likely more picks and players. The fact that there are no Herbert trade rumors is enough to say that there likely hasn't been any discussion of it.

I think Minnesota is the team that trades up. Although you can't count out the Giants, too. Neither team plans to be this low again in the draft (no team does, but you can see these teams are stocking up for a playoff run after a down season), so they might want to grab a "surefire" QB while they have the chance. This is especially true for Minnesota which has no starting option at QB right now.

To be honest, I don't see it with McCarthy, but teams get QB crazy at the top of the draft. I think the guy who teams want is Drake Maye as a protoype QB with size and a great arm, with Daniels being a higher risk/higher reward guy they'd be okay with. McCarthy just feels like the guy they want another team to take. He seems like a mid-1st round QB prospect, but he gets a bump because of so many teams that need a QB.

I doubt Harbaugh will take JJ at 5 as well even if he wanted to cause of how his contract was structured meaning huge dead money involved like Wilson. And Michigan was a run oriented team so JJ never needed to develop the ability to read defenses let along going thru his progressions under the basic 1 read or run option offense. This means no one knows if he can adjust to learn how to once he's turns pro, especially under pressure.

And many top 10 drafted QB like Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson still can't read defenses in the pros where the pace is so much faster.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KFMQAtLT_3Q?si=nc1Cxp1Fi4TOBxon

The reason why Purdy was so successful coming out of college was by playing all 4 seasons in a pro style offense reading defense to refined his game while Trey only played 1 full season against weak competition so he was as raw as sushi. Yes, his upside was very high being so athletically gifted with no floor to land on.

https://youtu.be/I621PS3WS50?si=w1FgBiFRSSNNZ384

Harbaugh is definitely not trading up for McCarthy. Harbaugh wants to build a power running team around Herbert. I would not be shocked to see Harbaugh draft Joe Alt at pick 5. I also would not be shocked if Harbaugh drafts Blake Corum in round 3.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So how does everyone here prefer for their team to draft? Draft for need or just take best available player? Or a mix of the two? I’m asking because I’ve been looking at the mock drafts recently and there is a player that has been dropping to pick 24 and it is a position of need however it’s lower on the list of needs. The player I’m talking about out is WR Brian Thomas Jr from LSU. The Cowboys need a LT, C, LB, and DT more than they need a WR. Brian Thomas Jr would be the best player on the board if he drops to 24 though.

At this point I'm trading back and aquiring more picks.

[Cactus Jack]

My prediction on where the top QB will end up.

Caleb to Bears
Daniels to DC
Maye to Vikings
JJ to Chargers
Penix Jr to Seahawks
Bo to Broncos
Milton to Raiders

McCarthy- Patriots
Penix- Raiders

[WentzerWuver]

My prediction on where the top QB will end up.

Caleb to Bears
Daniels to DC
Maye to Vikings
JJ to Chargers
Penix Jr to Seahawks
Bo to Broncos
Milton to Raiders

McCarthy- Patriots
Penix- Raiders

NO WAY Raiders drafting Penix Jr. He is Seahawks bound so might as well stamp his ticket to Seattle. Pats might take JJ but I think they are trading down for more picks and draft a franchise next season if they continue to be bad.

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahawks/seahawks-predicted-big-armed-michael-penix/

[bluejerseyjinx]

I’d say there’s a very good chance they will use picks from the ‘25 draft if they want to move up.

Read on Twitter

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All the more reason to tank this year with the way things are now. We could also add to that if we cut bait with a few other players that are expendable now.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So how does everyone here prefer for their team to draft? Draft for need or just take best available player? Or a mix of the two? I’m asking because I’ve been looking at the mock drafts recently and there is a player that has been dropping to pick 24 and it is a position of need however it’s lower on the list of needs. The player I’m talking about out is WR Brian Thomas Jr from LSU. The Cowboys need a LT, C, LB, and DT more than they need a WR. Brian Thomas Jr would be the best player on the board if he drops to 24 though.

Cowboys need C, LT, 2LB's, RB and DT after losing 5 starters from last year. We only have 3 picks in the top 175. Even if they hit all 3 we are still falling short. I'm trading back and getting more picks at this point.

[Micah Prescott]

So how does everyone here prefer for their team to draft? Draft for need or just take best available player? Or a mix of the two? I’m asking because I’ve been looking at the mock drafts recently and there is a player that has been dropping to pick 24 and it is a position of need however it’s lower on the list of needs. The player I’m talking about out is WR Brian Thomas Jr from LSU. The Cowboys need a LT, C, LB, and DT more than they need a WR. Brian Thomas Jr would be the best player on the board if he drops to 24 though.

Cowboys need C, LT, 2LB's, RB and DT after losing 5 starters from last year. We only have 3 picks in the top 175. Even if they hit all 3 we are still falling short. I'm trading back and getting more picks at this point.

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

[WentzerWuver]

So how does everyone here prefer for their team to draft? Draft for need or just take best available player? Or a mix of the two? I’m asking because I’ve been looking at the mock drafts recently and there is a player that has been dropping to pick 24 and it is a position of need however it’s lower on the list of needs. The player I’m talking about out is WR Brian Thomas Jr from LSU. The Cowboys need a LT, C, LB, and DT more than they need a WR. Brian Thomas Jr would be the best player on the board if he drops to 24 though.

Cowboys need C, LT, 2LB's, RB and DT after losing 5 starters from last year. We only have 3 picks in the top 175. Even if they hit all 3 we are still falling short. I'm trading back and getting more picks at this point.

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

[Micah Prescott]

Cowboys need C, LT, 2LB's, RB and DT after losing 5 starters from last year. We only have 3 picks in the top 175. Even if they hit all 3 we are still falling short. I'm trading back and getting more picks at this point.

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

I think Pollard's injury ended him. He isn't the same RB.

So yeah we need a RB. That is a spot where a rookie can come in and play right away though. Rotate Dowdle, Deuce, Rookie

[Mr B]

Cowboys need C, LT, 2LB's, RB and DT after losing 5 starters from last year. We only have 3 picks in the top 175. Even if they hit all 3 we are still falling short. I'm trading back and getting more picks at this point.

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

I was hoping to get Edgerrin Cooper in the 2nd round.

[Micah Prescott]

2nd round is too early for RB. We have bigger holes to fill. We should snag a RB around round 4, like we did with Pollard.

[Mr B]

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

I was hoping to get Edgerrin Cooper in the 2nd round.

He’s a possibility too but he might be off the board by pick 56. Jonathan Brooks should still be on the board though and I know they really like him.

[WentzerWuver]

Rare moment where I agree with you.

Too many holes to fill.

Last season I thought TE was one of our biggest needs, then Ferguson stepped up and made himself known.

We are going to need some more Fergusons this season.

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

Cause Deuce is short? If both of them switch their physical attributes buy keep their current abilities, Deuce would be a top 10 pick instead of a Bijon. What's worse that I cannot grasp is you still want Dallas to draft a RB in the first 4 rounds with so many needs at more important positions where undrafted RB can be taken to a team with 5 RB already on the roster/practice squad.

Most importantly, JJ wants Dak to prove his worth for an extension and don't need another prime Zeke making him look good. Patriots had won SB with middle of the pack RB like Dion Lewis/James White and Rex Burkhead.

https://youtu.be/rW5PzD3Qvko?si=Hd9EOZbkD7C-TSB6

Chiefs won with Pacheco drafted with pick 251 in the 7th round yet Deuce is not good enough cause he's too short for you? I think what you're trying to say is Dak not good enough to win without a highly touted stud back in his prime like Zeke to help him win...right?

I wouldn't draft ANY back if I am Dallas since Dak already had one of the top o-line when healthy to help him look good but I guess that's not good enough for most Dak fans Lol

[Mariner]

So you agree they are in need of a RB? If they thought they needed to replace Pollard, they could have easily resigned him for much less than what Mixon got and i read he loves Texas as a BBQ man. However I think JJ already drafted their future RB in double Deuce was wild for the Wildcats.

Now they have a featured back with the same quick changing down hill speed as BJ who was taken 8th overall in the same draft class imo. He's going to be a fan favorite and wish the Eagles had drafted him instead.

https://youtu.be/IAFEMZNxRoE?si=BZQO854Nm1CS8Bsa

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

Cause Deuce is short? If both of them switch their physical attributes buy keep their current abilities, Deuce would be a top 10 pick instead of a Bijon. What's worse that I cannot grasp is you still want Dallas to draft a RB in the first 4 rounds with so many needs at more important positions where undrafted RB can be taken to a team with 5 RB already on the roster/practice squad.

Most importantly, JJ wants Dak to prove his worth for an extension and don't need another prime Zeke making him look good. Patriots had won SB with middle of the pack RB like Dion Lewis/James White and Rex Burkhead.

https://youtu.be/rW5PzD3Qvko?si=Hd9EOZbkD7C-TSB6

Chiefs won with Pacheco drafted with pick 251 in the 7th round yet Deuce is not good enough cause he's too short for you? I think what you're trying to say is Dak not good enough to win without a highly touted stud back in his prime like Zeke to help him win...right?

I wouldn't draft ANY back if I am Dallas since Dak already had one of the top o-line when healthy to help him look good but I guess that's not good enough for most Dak fans Lol

Spending a late second or third on a RB every five years is not a big deal. BTW the chiefs also drafted a RB in the first. ( didn’t work out )
And we already established that Dak is no Brady or Mahomes so yes he needs more help.
Not sure what point your trying to make.

[WentzerWuver]

Are you comparing Deuce Vaughn and Bijay Robinson? I think if Jonathan Brooks is still on the board for the Cowboys in the 2nd round that is who they will draft. If not I could see them going with Jaylen Wright or Braelon Allen in the 3rd round. Deuce will likely be used as a gimmick back or a RB that comes in to catch a screen pass.

Cause Deuce is short? If both of them switch their physical attributes buy keep their current abilities, Deuce would be a top 10 pick instead of a Bijon. What's worse that I cannot grasp is you still want Dallas to draft a RB in the first 4 rounds with so many needs at more important positions where undrafted RB can be taken to a team with 5 RB already on the roster/practice squad.

Most importantly, JJ wants Dak to prove his worth for an extension and don't need another prime Zeke making him look good. Patriots had won SB with middle of the pack RB like Dion Lewis/James White and Rex Burkhead.

https://youtu.be/rW5PzD3Qvko?si=Hd9EOZbkD7C-TSB6

Chiefs won with Pacheco drafted with pick 251 in the 7th round yet Deuce is not good enough cause he's too short for you? I think what you're trying to say is Dak not good enough to win without a highly touted stud back in his prime like Zeke to help him win...right?

I wouldn't draft ANY back if I am Dallas since Dak already had one of the top o-line when healthy to help him look good but I guess that's not good enough for most Dak fans Lol

Spending a late second or third on a RB every five years is not a big deal. BTW the chiefs also drafted a RB in the first. ( didn’t work out )
And we already established that Dak is no Brady or Mahomes so yes he needs more help.
Not sure what point your trying to make.

Fair enough to be able to admit that your Dak needs more help to win it all unlike Brady and Mahomes, so he can become the next highest paid QB in the league. Just reaching the SB should literally guarantee it since it's been difficult for the Cowboys to win even one game in the playoffs as of late.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-contract-highest-paid-player/

Our QB reached the SB and became the highest paid player in the NFL when it was signed. We even made Wentz the highest paid at the time as well so naturally most Cowboys fans want the same for their "here we go" man. And at this point, I much rather watch the Cowboys reach the SB and lose to the Chiefs than the 49ers losing to them again, if my Eagles fails to reach it. We just don't want to lose to Dallas in the playoffs ever!!!

https://youtube.com/shorts/jUaNj898GDY?si=vik5jKlhy1YqCG-w

[Micah Prescott]

Purposely not giving Dak help so that he can prove his worth is a horrible tactic that no team ever would plot.

The Chiefs had an elite top-3 defense this season, they wouldn't have won anything with just Mahomes and that's it. Every QB needs help, even an anomaly like Mahomes. Brady was surrounded with talent his entire career too, just because the RB position was lack luster doesn't mean everything else was.

Brady's best offensive year, their undefeated year, was with Randy Moss.

[wco81]

My prediction on where the top QB will end up.

Caleb to Bears
Daniels to DC
Maye to Vikings
JJ to Chargers
Penix Jr to Seahawks
Bo to Broncos
Milton to Raiders

McCarthy- Patriots
Penix- Raiders

Smells like their Mac Jones pick.

[WentzerWuver]

Purposely not giving Dak help so that he can prove his worth is a horrible tactic that no team ever would plot.

The Chiefs had an elite top-3 defense this season, they wouldn't have won anything with just Mahomes and that's it. Every QB needs help, even an anomaly like Mahomes. Brady was surrounded with talent his entire career too, just because the RB position was lack luster doesn't mean everything else was.

Brady's best offensive year, their undefeated year, was with Randy Moss.

Yet the Chiefs defense was ranked 28th overall when they beaten the 49ers in the SB the first time and then went to the SB the following year with one of the worst offense line in the league in losing the SB to the Bucs.

So by stating they wouldn't have won anything was your feeble attempt to justify Dak can win it all if he had what the Chiefs gave Mahomes?!? Like if they simply replaced Mahomes with Dak as the Chiefs QB in their last SB, they would have beating the 49ers as well?

https://youtube.com/shorts/jUaNj898GDY?si=3XDQ2KAbZhmFsn6B

Still it would be enjoyable for fans to shout "here we goooo" along with Dak in the SB.

[Micah Prescott]

Purposely not giving Dak help so that he can prove his worth is a horrible tactic that no team ever would plot.

The Chiefs had an elite top-3 defense this season, they wouldn't have won anything with just Mahomes and that's it. Every QB needs help, even an anomaly like Mahomes. Brady was surrounded with talent his entire career too, just because the RB position was lack luster doesn't mean everything else was.

Brady's best offensive year, their undefeated year, was with Randy Moss.

Yet the Chiefs defense was ranked 28th overall when they beaten the 49ers in the SB the first time and then went to the SB the following year with one of the worst offense line in the league in losing the SB to the Bucs.

So by stating they wouldn't have won anything was your feeble attempt to justify Dak can win it all if he had what the Chiefs gave Mahomes?!? Like if they simply replaced Mahomes with Dak as the Chiefs QB in their last SB, they would have beating the 49ers as well?

https://youtube.com/shorts/jUaNj898GDY?si=3XDQ2KAbZhmFsn6B

Still it would be enjoyable for fans to shout "here we goooo" along with Dak in the SB.

Previous years Mahomes had Hill, the best WR in the NFL. I'm not trying to compare these two, Mahomes is twice the QB that Dak is. Hell Mahomes is a tier above any other QB. I'm just saying that purposely with holding "help" so that the QB can prove their worth is non-sensical.

If the Chiefs could obtain prime Jerry Rice and prime Randy Moss together....they would. You want the best weapons possible no matter who is at QB.