2024 NBA Draft Prospect Discussion

[zeebneeb]

How did Sheppard shoot it in the combine ?


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Yeah, shooting like this at the combine, combined with his defensive metrics is exactly why I don't see a universe he is available at 5.

Oh well. Been watching film on a bunch of players the Pistons have a shot at, and Kinect(sp?) Is absolutely the best shooter, but his defense is suspect at best.

*sigh*

Hopefully the Pistons nab Conelly, and he comes in aggressive as hell.

[Neptune]

We need to draft a 4 or a 3 & D. We don't need another guard, especially one who's trash at defense.

[SuperBad]

We need a 2, 3 who can shoot, I’d like to see us get two 2’s that have some size and shoot and we play Cade as Pg on offense and sf on defense for stretches, get K Anderson, to assist Ivey in the ball handling duties when Cade is off the floor, Bol Bol for 4/5 lob/shooting depth up front, and of course Fontechio

[Phenomenonsense]

How did Sheppard shoot it in the combine ?


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Yeah, shooting like this at the combine, combined with his defensive metrics is exactly why I don't see a universe he is available at 5.

Oh well. Been watching film on a bunch of players the Pistons have a shot at, and Kinect(sp?) Is absolutely the best shooter, but his defense is suspect at best.

*sigh*

Hopefully the Pistons nab Conelly, and he comes in aggressive as hell.

Knecht is the only player I want in this draft. I guess you have to take the flier on Sarr and Risacher. But anyone else is just bleh.

[zeebneeb]

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Yeah, shooting like this at the combine, combined with his defensive metrics is exactly why I don't see a universe he is available at 5.

Oh well. Been watching film on a bunch of players the Pistons have a shot at, and Kinect(sp?) Is absolutely the best shooter, but his defense is suspect at best.

*sigh*

Hopefully the Pistons nab Conelly, and he comes in aggressive as hell.

Knecht is the only player I want in this draft. I guess you have to take the flier on Sarr and Risacher. But anyone else is just bleh.

Hey, don't get me wrong. Knecht is a bigger version of RIP, with a great 3 point shot. I would have zero problem putting a 6'6 screen running, 3-point shooter next to Cade. Its the reason I wanted Mathurin over Ivey so badly.

I just dread Sheppard being there at 5 somehow, and the Pistons passing.

[BDM22]

Apparently Matas' shot looked busted at the combine. A knuckleball.

[keepitrealhomes]

I’m at the point where I would trade ivey and our pick to guarantee Sheppard

[JennetteMcCurdy]

Risacher
Reed
Knecht

Those are the three lotto prospects that can shoot.

McCain from Duke is the next good shooter, but he seems to be more like a 15-20 pick.

We should be able to get one of the three on my list.

[Piston Pete]

Salaun should be the pick

I’d also try to trade Duren/Ausar to ATL for the #1 pick.

Ivey
Cade
???
Salaun
Sarr

[guldakot]

I want a combo of Shep/Knecht and Clingan. Houston is looking to move their pick, if we could come out of this draft with a knockdown shooter and a real defensive 5 I would be ecstatic.

Move Duren and Ivey to make it happen if needed.

Maybe move stewart to try and get back in to get Knecht if we can get that 3rd pick from Houston. Imagine a lineup of Cade Shep Knecht Ausar and Clingan with Tek and sasser and Grimes off the bench, use the cap space for a backup solid 5 (JV?) and a couple of wings and we got a solid stew cooking.

Cade would be there to lead the youngins, and we would have a rediculous amount of upside for the cost of some intriguing but incomplete players and maybe a 29 draft pick (I love Duren but he has regressed defensively).

If we can't get Clingan and Shep, then take a flyer on Eddy later in the first round with a pick we move back on, his speed is much better then his size would show.

[Canadafan]

Nutty the amount of people that want to deal Duren and Ivey for these guys in this draft. Sheesh. Let's just make our pick and hope we find the next Kawhi with it lol. Hold onto our 20yr old freak athlete center. I'm quite sure at 20 that you can still Improve your game. Ivey was a big letdown this year but he's got enough drive in him to bounce back

[MrBigShot]

I can't see a world where sheppard doesn't become a major contributor to a team in 2 years. His feel for the game is incredible. That in conjunction with his advanced stats & combine is why I would be shocked if he's there at 5.

[Phenomenonsense]

Yeah, shooting like this at the combine, combined with his defensive metrics is exactly why I don't see a universe he is available at 5.

Oh well. Been watching film on a bunch of players the Pistons have a shot at, and Kinect(sp?) Is absolutely the best shooter, but his defense is suspect at best.

*sigh*

Hopefully the Pistons nab Conelly, and he comes in aggressive as hell.

Knecht is the only player I want in this draft. I guess you have to take the flier on Sarr and Risacher. But anyone else is just bleh.

Hey, don't get me wrong. Knecht is a bigger version of RIP, with a great 3 point shot. I would have zero problem putting a 6'6 screen running, 3-point shooter next to Cade. Its the reason I wanted Mathurin over Ivey so badly.

I just dread Sheppard being there at 5 somehow, and the Pistons passing.

Tape of him reminds me of Jimmer Ferdette or whatever, big pass.

[A_dub06]

Nutty the amount of people that want to deal Duren and Ivey for these guys in this draft. Sheesh. Let's just make our pick and hope we find the next Kawhi with it lol. Hold onto our 20yr old freak athlete center. I'm quite sure at 20 that you can still Improve your game. Ivey was a big letdown this year but he's got enough drive in him to bounce back

Duren’s defensive instincts and ability are bad, and poor defenders don’t become good ones ever. They can slightly improve but they don’t become plus defenders and Durens skill set as an athletic, rebounding, paint scoring Center just isn’t valuable in todays league. Being so young he still has intrigue and value. If you can trade him for a top 4 pick even in this draft you absolutely do it. If he doesn’t come into next season noticeably improved in multiple areas then his value will considerably dip and that’s poor asset management.

I have more faith in Ivey becoming a good player than Duren, but if Ivey + Duren could get us the 1st pick I’d definitely do it

[A_dub06]

Knecht is the only player I want in this draft. I guess you have to take the flier on Sarr and Risacher. But anyone else is just bleh.

Hey, don't get me wrong. Knecht is a bigger version of RIP, with a great 3 point shot. I would have zero problem putting a 6'6 screen running, 3-point shooter next to Cade. Its the reason I wanted Mathurin over Ivey so badly.

I just dread Sheppard being there at 5 somehow, and the Pistons passing.

I want to see all the athletic testing results. With a run up he’s got a 42 inch vert but that doesn’t really help that much when combined with a poor wingspan. He looks slow laterally and even straight line he looks heavy footed for someone small.

Tape of him reminds me of Jimmer Ferdette or whatever, big pass.

[Canadafan]

Nutty the amount of people that want to deal Duren and Ivey for these guys in this draft. Sheesh. Let's just make our pick and hope we find the next Kawhi with it lol. Hold onto our 20yr old freak athlete center. I'm quite sure at 20 that you can still Improve your game. Ivey was a big letdown this year but he's got enough drive in him to bounce back

Duren’s defensive instincts and ability are bad, and poor defenders don’t become good ones ever. They can slightly improve but they don’t become plus defenders and Durens skill set as an athletic, rebounding, paint scoring Center just isn’t valuable in todays league. Being so young he still has intrigue and value. If you can trade him for a top 4 pick even in this draft you absolutely do it. If he doesn’t come into next season noticeably improved in multiple areas then his value will considerably dip and that’s poor asset management.

I have more faith in Ivey becoming a good player than Duren, but if Ivey + Duren could get us the 1st pick I’d definitely do it

I'd trade Ivey and our pick for this guy though
He'd be throwing lobs all day to ausar and duren

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[A_dub06]

Nutty the amount of people that want to deal Duren and Ivey for these guys in this draft. Sheesh. Let's just make our pick and hope we find the next Kawhi with it lol. Hold onto our 20yr old freak athlete center. I'm quite sure at 20 that you can still Improve your game. Ivey was a big letdown this year but he's got enough drive in him to bounce back

Duren’s defensive instincts and ability are bad, and poor defenders don’t become good ones ever. They can slightly improve but they don’t become plus defenders and Durens skill set as an athletic, rebounding, paint scoring Center just isn’t valuable in todays league. Being so young he still has intrigue and value. If you can trade him for a top 4 pick even in this draft you absolutely do it. If he doesn’t come into next season noticeably improved in multiple areas then his value will considerably dip and that’s poor asset management.

I have more faith in Ivey becoming a good player than Duren, but if Ivey + Duren could get us the 1st pick I’d definitely do it

I'd trade Ivey and our pick for this guy though
He'd be throwing lobs all day to ausar and duren

He averaged 4.5apg but 2 turnovers per game too, I wouldn’t be quick to assume he’d be great in that area. He’s interesting for sure but I really think his speed/quickness will be an issue at the NBA level and it’s not like that’s going to improve much, conditioning yes but there’s centers that look like they run faster than him. That aside, if we traded Duren for another high pick I wouldn’t be overly upset taking him risks and all.

[The Moose]

Post Draft Lottery board update:

My main draft principles:
* Production & value impact : BPM, RAPM, WS/48
* Efficiency: TS%
* Feel: AST/TO + efficiency
* Hustle, Impact: (oreb rate, stl rate, block rate)
* Outlier physical traits *
* Outlier feel for the game *
* Age *

NOTES:

- Aim of my big board: To reflect the VORP over the prospects careers

- I prefer to have a concrete grading system rather than 'I just think player x is better than player y', things tend to get messy after the first few guys in redrafts.

- Differences within tiers are not notable at this stage, a lot depends on the draft fit

- I do think at least 1 of the wings I have in tier 5 (Knecht, Risacher, Furphy, Williams, Buzelis) will hit above my opinion, but I have no idea who lol

- Topic's recent injury spell and just general shakiness/not playing his last few months has caused me to drop him down a tier due to lack of confidence. If he loses his burst via injury he becomes a less enticing prospect.

Tier 3.5 - [fringe All star potential prospect] 2+ DPM peak potential
1. Donovan Clingan
2. Zach Edey
3. Reed Sheppard
4. Kyle Filipowski

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]1+ DPM peak potential
5. Alex Sarr
6. Jared McCain
7. Nikola Topic
8. Rob Dillingham
9. DaRon Holmes II
10. Devin Carter
11. Ron Holland

Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league] + to neutral DPM peak potential
12. Dalton Knecht
13. Matas Buzelis
14. Zac Risacher
15. Johnny Furphy
16. Cody Williams
17. Tyler Smith
18. Stephon Castle
19. Kel’el Ware

[Tier 6 - high variance guys]
20. Isaiah Collier
21. Carlton Carrington
22. Jamal Shead
23. Ja’Kobe Walter
24. Baylor Scheierman
25 Jonathan Mogbo

[Fringe guys]
26. Payton Sandfort
27. Alex Karaban
28. KJ Simpson
29. Tyler Kolek
30. Mark Sears

My big board at this point. As for Pistons specific, if we can come away with any of the top 4, I'll be happy.

Not sure why there isn't more buzz about Filipowski, especially to Detroit. In my opinion, there are some misconceptions about him, mainly that he is positionally locked as a 5 with bad rim protection. I don't see it that way. I see him as more of a jumbo wing who can slide up if needed, ala Lauri. He has elite coordination, dexterity and fluidity for a 6'11 guy and can actually dribble/pass/shoot. He's very talented, elite production + elite impact and so versatile offensively. He has a lot of paths to being a positive NBA player.

He should absolutely be in the discussion for this pick, especially given, from what we've heard, it doesn't seem like team is particularly interested in adding another raw/teenage project to its core to develop.

DaRon Holmes II is the absolute sleeper pick, he should be way higher than he's currently ranked, so underrated.

[zeebneeb]

Knecht is the only player I want in this draft. I guess you have to take the flier on Sarr and Risacher. But anyone else is just bleh.

Hey, don't get me wrong. Knecht is a bigger version of RIP, with a great 3 point shot. I would have zero problem putting a 6'6 screen running, 3-point shooter next to Cade. Its the reason I wanted Mathurin over Ivey so badly.

I just dread Sheppard being there at 5 somehow, and the Pistons passing.

Tape of him reminds me of Jimmer Ferdette or whatever, big pass.

They are not even close in terms of a comparison, save for their skin color.

I mean I could post a long diatribe on why, but I'm tired as I just woke up. Just trust me on this.

[ducler]

Post Draft Lottery board update:

My main draft principles:
* Production & value impact : BPM, RAPM, WS/48
* Efficiency: TS%
* Feel: AST/TO + efficiency
* Hustle, Impact: (oreb rate, stl rate, block rate)
* Outlier physical traits *
* Outlier feel for the game *
* Age *

NOTES:

- Aim of my big board: To reflect the VORP over the prospects careers

- I prefer to have a concrete grading system rather than 'I just think player x is better than player y', things tend to get messy after the first few guys in redrafts.

- Differences within tiers are not notable at this stage, a lot depends on the draft fit

- I do think at least 1 of the wings I have in tier 5 (Knecht, Risacher, Furphy, Williams, Buzelis) will hit above my opinion, but I have no idea who lol

- Topic's recent injury spell and just general shakiness/not playing his last few months has caused me to drop him down a tier due to lack of confidence. If he loses his burst via injury he becomes a less enticing prospect.

Tier 3.5 - [fringe All star potential prospect] 2+ DPM peak potential
1. Donovan Clingan
2. Zach Edey
3. Reed Sheppard
4. Kyle Filipowski

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]1+ DPM peak potential
5. Alex Sarr
6. Jared McCain
7. Nikola Topic
8. Rob Dillingham
9. DaRon Holmes II
10. Devin Carter
11. Ron Holland

Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league] + to neutral DPM peak potential
12. Dalton Knecht
13. Matas Buzelis
14. Zac Risacher
15. Johnny Furphy
16. Cody Williams
17. Tyler Smith
18. Stephon Castle
19. Kel’el Ware

[Tier 6 - high variance guys]
20. Isaiah Collier
21. Carlton Carrington
22. Jamal Shead
23. Ja’Kobe Walter
24. Baylor Scheierman
25 Jonathan Mogbo

[Fringe guys]
26. Payton Sandfort
27. Alex Karaban
28. KJ Simpson
29. Tyler Kolek
30. Mark Sears

My big board at this point. As for Pistons specific, if we can come away with any of the top 4, I'll be happy.

Not sure why there isn't more buzz about Filipowski, especially to Detroit. In my opinion, there are some misconceptions about him, mainly that he is positionally locked as a 5 with bad rim protection. I don't see it that way. I see him as more of a jumbo wing who can slide up if needed, ala Lauri. He has elite coordination, dexterity and fluidity for a 6'11 guy and can actually dribble/pass/shoot. He's very talented, elite production + elite impact and so versatile offensively. He has a lot of paths to being a positive NBA player.

He should absolutely be in the discussion for this pick, especially given, from what we've heard, it doesn't seem like team is particularly interested in adding another raw/teenage project to its core to develop.

DaRon Holmes II is the absolute sleeper pick, he should be way higher than he's currently ranked, so underrated.

You don't have Salaun at all in your top 30?

Filipowski is intriging, he has game, but I fear about his t-rex arms.