This is how you know the nba product is bad

Rip32 · Post #1 » by **Rip32** » Wed May 15, 2024 12:31 pm

Christmas games: Move over, NBA. The football league is looking to take over the whole holiday season from Thanksgiving to Christmas. The NFL will feature an Xmas doubleheader this season, building on the success of last season's tripleheader on Dec. 25. Christmas falls on a Wednesday this year, meaning the NFL will play games on six of the seven days of the week this season (sorry, Tuesday). In the past, the NFL usually only played games on Christmas or Christmas Eve when the holiday lined up with the schedule on the calendar.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/05/15/nfl-schedule-2024-leaks-detroit-lions-games-primetime-matchups/73600931007/

nba used to dominate on Christmas, not anymore. The product is bad imo and the draft are even worst. My team the Pistons have be so bad and all you need is 5 players on a starting team.

Billl · Post #2 » by **Billl** » Wed May 15, 2024 2:29 pm

Nah, the NBA is pretty great right now. Not the pistons of course, but the league overall is super competitive and absolutely stacked with great players.

What you are seeing is the demise of broadcast television. You used to have leagues competing for time on the major networks. NBC isn't calling the shots on what viewers get to watch anymore.

MotownMadness · Post #3 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed May 15, 2024 2:35 pm

Billl wrote:Nah, the NBA is pretty great right now. Not the pistons of course, but the league overall is super competitive and absolutely stacked with great players.

What you are seeing is the demise of broadcast television. You used to have leagues competing for time on the major networks. NBC isn't calling the shots on what viewers get to watch anymore.

Its definitely trending in the right direction

Rip32 · Post #4 » by **Rip32** » Wed May 15, 2024 2:43 pm

Billl wrote:Nah, the NBA is pretty great right now. Not the pistons of course, but the league overall is super competitive and absolutely stacked with great players.

What you are seeing is the demise of broadcast television. You used to have leagues competing for time on the major networks. NBC isn't calling the shots on what viewers get to watch anymore.

The rating for nba games on christmas was low. Most watched the NFL. The Pistons have been bad for 4 or 5 years straight, in a true competitive league, this shouldn't take that long.

By Tom Friend 3.26.2024

The NBA, whose Christmas Day ratings dropped to a record low last season while going head-to-head against the NFL, will likely continue to schedule as many as five games across ABC and ESPN on Dec. 25 next season

Kalamazoo317 · Post #5 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Wed May 15, 2024 3:40 pm

Outside of possibly the NFL, everything on broadcast has dipped to record lows as of late.

flow · Post #6 » by **flow** » Wed May 15, 2024 3:49 pm

Rip32 wrote:Christmas games: Move over, NBA. The football league is looking to take over the whole holiday season from Thanksgiving to Christmas. The NFL will feature an Xmas doubleheader this season, building on the success of last season's tripleheader on Dec. 25. Christmas falls on a Wednesday this year, meaning the NFL will play games on six of the seven days of the week this season (sorry, Tuesday). In the past, the NFL usually only played games on Christmas or Christmas Eve when the holiday lined up with the schedule on the calendar.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/05/15/nfl-schedule-2024-leaks-detroit-lions-games-primetime-matchups/73600931007/

nba used to dominate on Christmas, not anymore. The product is bad imo and the draft are even worst. My team the Pistons have be so bad and all you need is 5 players on a starting team.

The NBA used to dominate Christmas only because the NFL allowed it to. The nba has nothing on the nfl. Never has, never will. This expansion into christmas has nothing to do with the nba being a bad product. It's about the king of the jungle deciding it wants more food.

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Mr Peanut · Post #7 » by **Mr Peanut** » Wed May 15, 2024 4:19 pm

flow wrote:
Rip32 wrote:Christmas games: Move over, NBA. The football league is looking to take over the whole holiday season from Thanksgiving to Christmas. The NFL will feature an Xmas doubleheader this season, building on the success of last season's tripleheader on Dec. 25. Christmas falls on a Wednesday this year, meaning the NFL will play games on six of the seven days of the week this season (sorry, Tuesday). In the past, the NFL usually only played games on Christmas or Christmas Eve when the holiday lined up with the schedule on the calendar.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/05/15/nfl-schedule-2024-leaks-detroit-lions-games-primetime-matchups/73600931007/

nba used to dominate on Christmas, not anymore. The product is bad imo and the draft are even worst. My team the Pistons have be so bad and all you need is 5 players on a starting team.

The NBA used to dominate Christmas only because the NFL allowed it to. The nba has nothing on the nfl. Never has, never will. This expansion into christmas has nothing to do with the nba being a bad product. It's about the king of the jungle deciding it wants more food.

.

The NFL clearly has stronger viewership in the US, but globally NBA is watched/followed more (apart from the Super Bowl of course, but that alone doesn't make up the difference in overall viewership).

BDM22 · Post #8 » by **BDM22** » Wed May 15, 2024 4:59 pm

Rip32 wrote:
Billl wrote:Nah, the NBA is pretty great right now. Not the pistons of course, but the league overall is super competitive and absolutely stacked with great players.

What you are seeing is the demise of broadcast television. You used to have leagues competing for time on the major networks. NBC isn't calling the shots on what viewers get to watch anymore.

The rating for nba games on christmas was low. Most watched the NFL. The Pistons have been bad for 4 or 5 years straight, in a true competitive league, this shouldn't take that long.

By Tom Friend 3.26.2024

The NBA, whose Christmas Day ratings dropped to a record low last season while going head-to-head against the NFL, will likely continue to schedule as many as five games across ABC and ESPN on Dec. 25 next season

Hasn't the NFL always been more watched? At least in recent memory?

Also, I suspect the NBA audience is younger and more international, which leads it toward far more "unauthorized" streams being utilized.

Looked it up, and yeah, the average age of an NFL fan is 8-10 years older depending where you look (~50yrs old). More of these people consume content through traditional methods. They still have cable TV, etc.

flow · Post #9 » by **flow** » Wed May 15, 2024 6:00 pm

Mr Peanut wrote:
flow wrote:
Rip32 wrote:Christmas games: Move over, NBA. The football league is looking to take over the whole holiday season from Thanksgiving to Christmas. The NFL will feature an Xmas doubleheader this season, building on the success of last season's tripleheader on Dec. 25. Christmas falls on a Wednesday this year, meaning the NFL will play games on six of the seven days of the week this season (sorry, Tuesday). In the past, the NFL usually only played games on Christmas or Christmas Eve when the holiday lined up with the schedule on the calendar.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/05/15/nfl-schedule-2024-leaks-detroit-lions-games-primetime-matchups/73600931007/

nba used to dominate on Christmas, not anymore. The product is bad imo and the draft are even worst. My team the Pistons have be so bad and all you need is 5 players on a starting team.

The NBA used to dominate Christmas only because the NFL allowed it to. The nba has nothing on the nfl. Never has, never will. This expansion into christmas has nothing to do with the nba being a bad product. It's about the king of the jungle deciding it wants more food.

.

The NFL clearly has stronger viewership in the US, but globally NBA is watched/followed more (apart from the Super Bowl of course, but that alone doesn't make up the difference in overall viewership).

Of course. Basketball is an international game while american football an american product. Not sure what that has to do with the subject, though. The leagues are US based and the broadcast networks with whom they partner are US centric. They care about US dollars and US ratings. The nfl has no peer when it comes to drawing power.

Laimbeer · Post #10 » by **Laimbeer** » Wed May 15, 2024 6:34 pm

Does this have something to do with us getting #5? :lol:

JennetteMcCurdy · Post #11 » by **JennetteMcCurdy** » Wed May 15, 2024 7:51 pm

NBA on TNT moved to Tuesdays during football season because they were getting destroyed by Amazon NFL. Football will always be king

Post #12 » by **Cowology** » Wed May 15, 2024 7:59 pm

The NBA is a great product. The NFL has always had more drawing power. That's not reflective or indicative of any particular failing on the part of the Association, it's simply never been as popular. No shame to losing out to them on viewership over a holiday and kind of an odd bone to pick.

The Pistons are clearly an embarrassment, but we're also the outlier here. Part of the problem is that our contemporaries such as Orlando, Houston and OKC have all made huge improvements and we have not. Some of that is bad luck, but a large portion has been self-inflicted. My one issue would I suppose be the lack of mechanism in place in ensure that a team in a situation such as ours does not fall to #5 in this situation. Maybe some type of repeat offender that prevents you falling futher than 4th and then no further than 3rd the year after (stopping there).

The league doesn't want teams deliberating tanking and they've done a good job of getting more teams to be competitive and to stay that way longer into the season. We may have gotten screwed, but overall things are working as intended and if we were a bit more competent as an organization then it wouldn't hurt nearly as badly. But ultimately the Pistons put themselves in a situation where this could, and was perhaps even likely to happen. Again, that's on the Pistons and not the NBA.

Mr Peanut · Post #13 » by **Mr Peanut** » Wed May 15, 2024 9:28 pm

flow wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
flow wrote:
The NBA used to dominate Christmas only because the NFL allowed it to. The nba has nothing on the nfl. Never has, never will. This expansion into christmas has nothing to do with the nba being a bad product. It's about the king of the jungle deciding it wants more food.

.

The NFL clearly has stronger viewership in the US, but globally NBA is watched/followed more (apart from the Super Bowl of course, but that alone doesn't make up the difference in overall viewership).

Of course. Basketball is an international game while american football an american product. Not sure what that has to do with the subject, though. The leagues are US based and the broadcast networks with whom they partner are US centric. They care about US dollars and US ratings. The nfl has no peer when it comes to drawing power.

Was more just a general statement about the original point of the topic where the NFL moving onto Christmas Day was considered a marker that the NBA is declining which is clearly not the case, and that globally this move wouldn't even register for most fans. Non-US business contributes to about 10% of the league's annual revenue and is climbing every year (and a higher overall percentage if you remove ticket sales etc and just focus on broadcasting deals).

gusman · Post #14 » by **gusman** » Wed May 15, 2024 10:33 pm

My main problem with the pistons is watching them because Balley Sports is garbage and over priced.

Post #15 » by **Cowology** » Wed May 15, 2024 11:45 pm

gusman wrote:My main problem with the pistons is watching them because Balley Sports is garbage and over priced.

I don't know all the details, but Balley's has been dealing with bankruptcy and all sortsa issues. Amazon picked up a minority stake and will be streaming Balley games so *maybe* the quality/reliability improves? I hope...

Kalamazoo317 · Post #16 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Thu May 16, 2024 3:53 am

Laimbeer wrote:Does this have something to do with us getting #5?

This is how you know the grapes are sour.

Post #17 » by **Snakebites** » Thu May 16, 2024 4:35 am

The Detroit product is bad. The rest of the league’s product is improving.

Uncle Mxy · Post #18 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Thu May 16, 2024 1:56 pm

The NBA produce is bad, and we're 5th in line to get shrubbery.
It's now the awf-season after the awful season for us.
Yippee ki-yay, MFs!

Rip32 · Post #19 » by **Rip32** » Thu May 16, 2024 6:51 pm

flow wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
flow wrote:
The NBA used to dominate Christmas only because the NFL allowed it to. The nba has nothing on the nfl. Never has, never will. This expansion into christmas has nothing to do with the nba being a bad product. It's about the king of the jungle deciding it wants more food.

.

The NFL clearly has stronger viewership in the US, but globally NBA is watched/followed more (apart from the Super Bowl of course, but that alone doesn't make up the difference in overall viewership).

Of course. Basketball is an international game while american football an american product. Not sure what that has to do with the subject, though. The leagues are US based and the broadcast networks with whom they partner are US centric. They care about US dollars and US ratings. The nfl has no peer when it comes to drawing power.

if bball is such an international sport then you would think the nba draft would produce better talent consistently. There's no reason teams should go 5 years and still be shetty! The nba pulls talent from american colleges, europe, canada etc., yet the draft doesn't change these bottom feeder teams. How can that be??