Summer League #2 - Pistons-Rockets - 4pm ET

[MotownMadness]

We’re going for the championship

[MortSahlfan]

In case anyone is about to tune out or turn the game off, they're going to talk to Duren after the commercial.

[MotownMadness]

Jenkins looked good

[MortSahlfan]

Jenkins looked good

Up 20. Hits another 3. Has a nice block on the very next play.

[VicVinegar]

Jenkins looked good and he had really good G-League stats and made the all G-League team. I think at this point I'd rather give him a shot over Sasser.

[theBigLip]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor. Horrible pick for #3.

We did have a couple of posters on our board that loved him. We needed shooting, but not his package.

[catari11]

Jenkins looked good and he had really good G-League stats and made the all G-League team. I think at this point I'd rather give him a shot over Sasser.

Jenkins looked great for the 2nd game in a row. nice decision and shot-making. He's a got a pretty good handle too. He should be considered for back up pg. then TL can focus on what is really needed --- a stretch 4 with size and rebounding strength

[catari11]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor. Horrible pick for #3.

We did have a couple of posters on our board that loved him. We needed shooting, but not his package.

Sheppard --- was an embarrassment. why would anyone want to play with that guy!?! he never looked to pass, dribbled out the clock and often into a crowd of defenders, and hoisted up garbage. It's astounding he was drafted so high.

[MortSahlfan]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor. Horrible pick for #3.

We did have a couple of posters on our board that loved him. We needed shooting, but not his package.

Sheppard --- was an embarrassment. why would anyone want to play with that guy!?! he never looked to pass, dribbled out the clock and often into a crowd of defenders, and hoisted up garbage. It's astounding he was drafted so high.

And he spent so much time whining to that ref.

[Canadafan]

I know it's Summer League, but these young guys are playing Detroit Pistons basketball. Up 20. Just keep it up. I'm glad they allow 10 fouls. I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I also love that the veterans are watching.

Is Levert there this game?

[whitehops]

I also love that the veterans are watching.

Is Levert there this game?

no, it was the same crew as last game - cade, ivey, ausar, robinson, tobias, duren, stewart and sasser.

[Crymson]

Jenkins looked good and he had really good G-League stats and made the all G-League team. I think at this point I'd rather give him a shot over Sasser.

He made the All-Rookie team. The All-NBA G-League teams were all stacked with NBA dropouts, the likes of our old friend Malachi Flynn. The vast majority of the best players in the G-League have either failed to make it in stints in the NBA or will never make it there for more than a cup of coffee -- if that -- at all.

Jenkins is a below-average athlete for the position by NBA standards, and he lacks the explosiveness needed to break down defenses off the dribble; he's also without the handle he would need in order to compensate for that. He's not great at getting deep into the interior and breaking down G-League defenses, and he'd have a much harder time against the drastically more difficult competition in the NBA.

[MotownMadness]

That Holland 3 ball is looking much improved

[Rip32]

Jenkins looked good and he had really good G-League stats and made the all G-League team. I think at this point I'd rather give him a shot over Sasser.

He made the All-Rookie team. The All-NBA G-League teams were all stacked with NBA dropouts, the likes of our old friend Malachi Flynn. The vast majority of the best players in the G-League have either failed to make it in stints in the NBA or will never make it there for more than a cup of coffee -- if that -- at all.

Jenkins is a below-average athlete for the position by NBA standards, and he lacks the explosiveness needed to break down defenses off the dribble; he's also without the handle he would need in order to compensate for that. He's not great at getting deep into the interior and breaking down G-League defenses, and he'd have a much harder time against the drastically more difficult competition in the NBA.

Sas is way better than Jenkins and it's no comparison. Sas is a victim of draft status. Gm and coaches may say it isn't about draft status but the reality is it is.
JB coming in didn't really help because he's trying to win and the org needed to know if players like Ivey, Ausar etc can play.

[Invictus88]

Sas is a victim of draft status. Gm and coaches may say it isn't about draft status but the reality is it is.

There are just some times when you know that it is pointless to continue a discussion; that it's just a lost cause.

But it's rare to get that feeling before you've even written a word...

[flow]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor.

I agree with your position against such 1-dimensional players.

But...um...our team just gave 3yrs/48M to Duncan Robinson.

Just saying.


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[Crymson]

Sas is way better than Jenkins and it's no comparison. Sas is a victim of draft status. Gm and coaches may say it isn't about draft status but the reality is it is.

JB coming in didn't really help because he's trying to win and the org needed to know if players like Ivey, Ausar etc can play.

Teams care about nothing but the value a player provides on the court.

Sasser is a victim of being a small player who's unable to function as a handler -- he's legitimately bad at breaking down defenses on the drive -- and therefore has an extremely steep road to value as an undersized shooting specialist, and who faces the additional complication of being too unathletic to even, for example, reliably reach the rim on closeouts.

He was a very weird draft pick, because he had no viable route to value unless he could handle the ball yet had struggled to do that effectively as a fourth-year NCAA player against college defenses.

If he had a route to providing better value than others on the roster, he'd be playing.

I agree with your position against such 1-dimensional players.

But...um...our team just gave 3yrs/48M to Duncan Robinson.

Just saying.

Being one-dimensional is a significantly bigger problem if you're 6'2" with a 6'3" wingspan like Sheppard; you're inherently giving up a lot more on defense.

Size is a major factor in the NBA value equation; if you're Sheppard's size, you'd best be able to provide a lot on offense. He'll need to get quite a bit better on the ball than he is now.

[theBigLip]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor.

I agree with your position against such 1-dimensional players.

But...um...our team just gave 3yrs/48M to Duncan Robinson.

Just saying.

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I understand your point but Robinson is bigger and it helps on both ends of the floor. His D is not great but he can do more than Sheppard.

[tmorgan]

I can't believe Shepperd was the 3rd pick. I could see 15th pick, but 3rd?

I definitely wanted no part of him. Sure he can shoot but can he do anything else? And so weak on D that he can be played off the floor.

I agree with your position against such 1-dimensional players.

But...um...our team just gave 3yrs/48M to Duncan Robinson.

Just saying.

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Duncan’s actual contract is out now, by the way. 2 mil buyout on year 2, free buyout year 3.

We have the *option* to pay him 48 mil for three years on the team.

We also have the option to pay him 18.8 mil for one year on the team, or 31.7 mil for two years on the team.

That makes a big difference. I’d agree he’s still overpaid, but the contract itself isn’t a long term anchor. If he fits, we roll with it, if not, look elsewhere.

[Crymson]

Duncan’s actual contract is out now, by the way. 2 mil buyout on year 2, free buyout year 3.

We have the *option* to pay him 48 mil for three years on the team.

We also have the option to pay him 18.8 mil for one year on the team, or 31.7 mil for two years on the team.

That makes a big difference. I’d agree he’s still overpaid, but the contract itself isn’t a long term anchor. If he fits, we roll with it, if not, look elsewhere.

Aye, and it's also frontloaded; if the Pistons keep him, his salary goes down with each passing season.