NBA Playoffs

[MotownMadness]

Hali is the man

[BDM22]

Burks is the only reason the Knicks aren't down 30

[MotownMadness]

Game 7 at home

Ouch!!!

[Cowology]

Not what I was expecting. NY getting embarrassed.

[flow]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

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[BDM22]

If Reed Sheppard is TJ McConnell with an elite outside shot, that would be a very very good player, just sayin.

[Snakebites]

If Reed Sheppard is TJ McConnell with an elite outside shot, that would be a very very good player, just sayin.

Sheppard would be an easy top 3 pick if he was a couple inches taller.

He might still be. But this draft is hard to predict.

[vege]

Burks is the only reason the Knicks aren't down 30

Burks and DDV

[Canadafan]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

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A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

[thesack12]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

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A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan is the worst draft decision in NBA history, no other decision comes close.

We need to wait several more years to evaluate who was the worse pick Killian or Darko. Haliburton's career is just starting to lift off, and all of the players drafted after Darko are retired.

Right now the data that we have to process is, Darko had an out of control hype train behind him going into his draft, he was the right pick at the time. Whereas there was a lot of people who had Hali over Hayes going into that draft. Its also sure looking like Darko was a better player than Killian was/is. Darko had a 10 year career, and its currently looking like Hayes wont even get a 2nd contract. Hayes was arguably the worst player in the NBA over a 3 year span.

[flow]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

.

A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

Not even close. That decision, though it turned out bad, could at least be articulated. Wade and Melo played different positions that Darko. Melo wan't drafted because they had just drafted Prince the year before and he fit in great. As for Wade, the backcourt was already stacked. Darko was the position of need. (no Sheed yet)

On the other hand, in 2020 there was no positional conflict. They were drafting a point guard, and Hayes and Haliburton were both point guards. They just had to pick the hall of famer instead of the colossal bust who will never see a 2nd nba contract. And they failed. Nothing is worse than that.

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[flow]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

.

A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan is the worst draft decision in NBA history, no other decision comes close.

We need to wait several more years to evaluate who was the worse pick Killian or Darko. Haliburton's career is just starting to lift off, and all of the players drafted after Darko are retired.

Right now the data that we have to process is, Darko had an out of control hype train behind him going into his draft, he was the right pick at the time. Whereas there was a lot of people who had Hali over Hayes going into that draft. Its also sure looking like Darko was a better player than Killian was/is. Darko had a 10 year career, and its currently looking like Hayes wont even get a 2nd contract. Hayes was arguably the worst player in the NBA over a 3 year span.

Completely disagree. Bowie was a positional decision. The Blazers already had Drexler. And Bowie's career was derailed because of injury, while Hayes just simply sucked.

If Bowie had been taked over Kareem Abdul Jabar, that would have been closer to Hayes over Haliburton. You can't take an all-time bust when a hall of famer at the exact same position is sitting there waiting for you. That is the worst draft decision of all time.

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[thesack12]

Again, Hayes over Haliburton will go down as the worst draft decision in nba history. And the guy who made it still has his job.

Unreal.

.

A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

Not even close. That decision, though it turned out bad, could at least be articulated. Wade and Melo played different positions that Darko. Melo wan't drafted because they had just drafted Prince the year before and he fit in great. As for Wade, the backcourt was already stacked. Darko was the position of need. (no Sheed yet)

On the other hand, in 2020 there was no positional conflict. They were drafting a point guard, and Hayes and Haliburton were both point guards. They just had to pick the hall of famer instead of the colossal bust who will never see a 2nd nba contract. And they failed. Nothing is worse than that.

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Word.

Not only was Darko supremely hyped up going into his draft, but as you allude to he filled a position of need. Its quite possible that Melo's style and skillset would not have been a good fit with the culture of those Pistons' teams at the time. Tay was also a lockdown perimeter defender, not having him on the floor would have made a substantial difference on that end of the floor. Rip and Chauncey just oozed chemistry. We'll never know what substracting Rip and inserting Wade would have looked like, but what we do know is the Chauncey/Rip backcourt was an amazing backcourt.

After the Darko pick, Detroit went on to immediately win a championship and remained among the leagues best 4 or 5 teams for the next 5 years. So its not like drafting Darko, was a crippling decision.

Using hindsight, of course the Darko pick was terrible.

As bad as that pick was, and it was a terrible pick, it was the right pick at the time.

[bstein14]

Pacers had a higher starting spot with the value of Sabonis and Turner... but they are the first out of the 2022 lottery teams to made their way to the Conference Finals.

25-57 in 21-22 (26th in league)
35-27 in 22-23 (11th in East just missed play-in)
47-35 in 23-24 (Tied for 5th in East, make it to at least ECF)

[BDM22]

Darko pick was infinitely worse. You took him sandwiched between a bunch of HOFers at the very top of the draft. Hali nearly fell out of the lottery. Grades on him (and Killian) were all over the map. Switching that up now is just 20/20 hindsight.

[thesack12]

A little extreme
Darko over Wade Melo and Bosh is a little worse

Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan is the worst draft decision in NBA history, no other decision comes close.

We need to wait several more years to evaluate who was the worse pick Killian or Darko. Haliburton's career is just starting to lift off, and all of the players drafted after Darko are retired.

Right now the data that we have to process is, Darko had an out of control hype train behind him going into his draft, he was the right pick at the time. Whereas there was a lot of people who had Hali over Hayes going into that draft. Its also sure looking like Darko was a better player than Killian was/is. Darko had a 10 year career, and its currently looking like Hayes wont even get a 2nd contract. Hayes was arguably the worst player in the NBA over a 3 year span.

Completely disagree. Bowie was a positional decision. The Blazers already had Drexler. And Bowie's career was derailed because of injury, while Hayes just simply sucked.

If Bowie had been taked over Kareem Abdul Jabbar, that would have been closer to Hayes over Haliburton. You can't take an all-time bust when a hall of famer at the exact same position is sitting there waiting for you. That is the worst draft decision of all time.

Nah, Bowie already had big injury concerns in college. He was damaged goods coming into the league. Portland was very aware of the risks of taking Bowie, let alone at #2 with elite prospect in Jordan still on the board.

Drexler also wasn't that high of a pick the year before, he went 14th. Going into the 84 draft, Drexler was fresh off a rookie year where he was a bit player. He only started 3 games and played 17 minutes per game. He was far from entrenched as a core player for the Blazers.

[thesack12]

Darko pick was infinitely worse. You took him sandwiched between a bunch of HOFers at the very top of the draft. Hali nearly fell out of the lottery. Grades on him (and Killian) were all over the map.

Underlined logic, is the primary reason why Darko was the right pick at the time. Darko was firmly #2 going into that draft, with some background whispers of Melo being in the mix. Bosh and Wade were never in that conversation.

[BDM22]

Darko pick was infinitely worse. You took him sandwiched between a bunch of HOFers at the very top of the draft. Hali nearly fell out of the lottery. Grades on him (and Killian) were all over the map.

Underlined reasoning, is the primary reason why Darko was the right pick at the time. Darko was firmly #2 going into that draft, with some background whispers of Melo being in the mix. Bosh and Wade were never in that conversation.

Wasn’t the rumor that Joe wanted Bosh if not for Darko? He seemed to be stuck on drafting a big. It was the “illegal” workout with Detroit that cemented Darko as the guy because he was apparently hitting a bunch of shots lol

But yeah, if you have HOFers at #1, #3, #4, and #5 and you selected a scrub at #2, that is the all-time worst. Without question, at least for Detroit.

[thesack12]

Darko pick was infinitely worse. You took him sandwiched between a bunch of HOFers at the very top of the draft. Hali nearly fell out of the lottery. Grades on him (and Killian) were all over the map.

Underlined reasoning, is the primary reason why Darko was the right pick at the time. Darko was firmly #2 going into that draft, with some background whispers of Melo being in the mix. Bosh and Wade were never in that conversation.

Wasn’t the rumor that Joe wanted Bosh if not for Darko? He seemed to be stuck on drafting a big. It was the “illegal” workout with Detroit that cemented Darko as the guy.

But yeah, if you have HOFers at #1, #3, #4, and #5 and you selected a scrub at #2, that is the all-time worst. Without question, at least for Detroit.

After Tay had his coming out party in the '03 playoffs, finding a long term front court mate for Ben was certainly a big priority for Joe.

However, from what I recall the decision was always going to be Darko or Melo. I don't recall Bosh ever being mentioned in that conversation.

Darko's hype train was already full steam ahead by the time that "illegal workout" took place. I believe that Darko only took 2 visits, one to Detroit and one to Denver so that shows that he was fully expected to go no later than 3.

Fully agree that the Darko pick was an all timer of terrible draft picks. I'm not trying to dispute that. However, talking about who was the right pick at the time, is a different conversation.

[Cowology]

Mile High going to be a problem in G7??

I like Denver at home.