Trade Ideas thread

[vege]

After this season he essentially has 3 years $40 million on the books ($13 million per) which is a better use of money than $12.5 million Bagley or Wiseman... At least he's proven to be a solid defender and 8th or 9th man on playoff teams.

Stew - Ausar - Williams - Burks - Sasser actually could be a really good bench for us lots of scoring in the back court and good defense up front one of the best benches it the league if we kept Burks and added Williams (and move Stew from the SL to bench).

Muscala for the minimum would do just fine instead of Grant Williams in that 2nd unit

Say it ain’t so. Weren’t you the #1 Grant Williams cheerleader?

I want nothing to do with Williams for the record.

Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

[vege]

Muscala for the minimum would do just fine instead of Grant Williams in that 2nd unit

Say it ain’t so. Weren’t you the #1 Grant Williams cheerleader?

I want nothing to do with Williams for the record.

I must admit that I started to draft a post in another thread with a couple of names of people that were particularly upset that we didn't beat the Mavs' offer of 1st round swap and 2nds for the right to overpay Grant Williams and decided not to post it

Go on, and make sure you quote yourself adding incorrect facts every time we talked about Grant Williams.

[buzzkilloton]

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet their quite alot lower then some think.

[Snakebites]

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet they’re quite alot lower then some think.

Future picks are pretty valuable- it’s 2024 picks that are devalued in the trade market right now.

No way we could get our pick back, even if (sadly) there’s a good chance we don’t make the playoffs in that time frame and it becomes seconds.

It’s a sellers market, so there is some leeway in that, but probably not enough.

I predicted last week that this deadline was going to be a dud- not just for us but for the league as a whole. So far I’ve read a lot that lends credibility to that idea.

[NYPiston]

Feels pointless to trade Bojan for a late 1st or Burks for a 2nd. Which is what they'd likely get. For the sake of our youth and development you need those guys around. Bojan has helped open things up for Cade since his return. Morris should help us remainder of the year to be that steady vet mentor that our guards need. Burks I could handle moving now if we believe he won't re-sign with us. And to open minutes for Sasser.
I dunno, just don't see how trading them outweighs keeping them. Hayes Harris Wiseman. Focus on dumping those 3

You jump on a late 1st for Bojan any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not about drafting at that spot, it's about piling up assets so they can make a bigger splash for longer term solutions eventually. It's about asset management, these vets aren't exactly moving the needle in terms if wins/losses anyway.
I don't see the point in keeping both Bojan and Burks, they are both microwave scorers that are defense optional. If you can get a 1st of any kind for either, it would be foolish to pass that up.

[Canadafan]

Feels pointless to trade Bojan for a late 1st or Burks for a 2nd. Which is what they'd likely get. For the sake of our youth and development you need those guys around. Bojan has helped open things up for Cade since his return. Morris should help us remainder of the year to be that steady vet mentor that our guards need. Burks I could handle moving now if we believe he won't re-sign with us. And to open minutes for Sasser.
I dunno, just don't see how trading them outweighs keeping them. Hayes Harris Wiseman. Focus on dumping those 3

You jump on a late 1st for Bojan any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not about drafting at that spot, it's about piling up assets so they can make a bigger splash for longer term solutions eventually. It's about asset management, these vets aren't exactly moving the needle in terms if wins/losses anyway.
I don't see the point in keeping both Bojan and Burks, they are both microwave scorers that are defense optional. If you can get a 1st of any kind for either, it would be foolish to pass that up.

I'm pretty easily swayed in my opinion and even more moved to make a trade so I am now revising my no trade list to "core4" Beef Stew and Mr 50-40-90 man, Sasser!
All vets are available
Preferably though for a 7th and/or 8th man in my new future rotation

[Kalamazoo317]

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet they’re quite alot lower then some think.

Future picks are pretty valuable- it’s 2024 picks that are devalued in the trade market right now.

No way we could get our pick back, even if (sadly) there’s a good chance we don’t make the playoffs in that time frame and it becomes seconds.

It’s a sellers market, so there is some leeway in that, but probably not enough.

I predicted last week that this deadline was going to be a dud- not just for us but for the league as a whole. So far I’ve read a lot that lends credibility to that idea.

I think it's only a seller's market if you've got a star for sale. All indications are that teams are keeping their powder dry for the next star and aren't going to overpay for role players, meaning we're sellers with nothing to sell and buyers with nothing to buy (and not enough to offer).

[NYPiston]

I think it's only a seller's market if you've got a star for sale. All indications are that teams are keeping their powder dry for the next star and aren't going to overpay for role players, meaning we're sellers with nothing to sell and buyers with nothing to buy (and not enough to offer).

I think the one thing working in the Pistons favor is that there are very few sellers and a ton of buyers so if a team thinks that Bogey's shooting is the final piece they need then they might be willing to pony up a late 1st in a win now window since there aren't many other options on the market but that's an extreme longshot. I think it's quite possible that Weaver doesn't make any moves outside of maybe dumping Killian.

[DBC10]

Muscala for the minimum would do just fine instead of Grant Williams in that 2nd unit

Say it ain’t so. Weren’t you the #1 Grant Williams cheerleader?

I want nothing to do with Williams for the record.

Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

Grant Williams wouldn't have helped for ****. He's an underperforming guy that talks big and doesn't actually back it up. You give him a bigger role like what the Mavs did and this was the result. He's been terrible and Mavs fans are completely against him like we do with a Hayes or a Livers

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ajq192/stein_the_bucks_and_mavericks_league_sources_say/?rdt=61738

[Drwho17]

Ok to make my point would you trade Cade to Nets for Bridges and other assets (I would as Cade is going to be asking for a $200m extension soon and we haven't moved the needle)

Would you trade Ivey or Ausar to Atlanta for Murray value contract (I would if it was straight up)

At the end of the day, all of the "CORE 4" are going to want to get paid big money and they haven't shown us any sort of ability to impact winning yet. Or their upside starts to diminish, their warts become more pronounced and they become less valuable ie Killian, Stanley Johnson, Saddiq. And that's a major problem.

So you either pay big money to guys putting up numbers on a bad team that are who they are, or you find players on value deals that are further advanced. Otherwise you're just letting an asset go to waste and getting very little return.

I have no trouble trading anyone on the team, but now is not the time, Ivey/Ausar/Duren are cheap and not at max value, would be selling on them at extremely low value. Bridges would be a guy to bring in to put your team over the top, Cade at this time has more value, I agree they shouldn't be panicking and selling low on any of these guys at this time.

[bstein14]

Say it ain’t so. Weren’t you the #1 Grant Williams cheerleader?

I want nothing to do with Williams for the record.

Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

Grant Williams wouldn't have helped for ****. He's an underperforming guy that talks big and doesn't actually back it up. You give him a bigger role like what the Mavs did and this was the result. He's been terrible and Mavs fans are completely against him like we do with a Hayes or a Livers

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ajq192/stein_the_bucks_and_mavericks_league_sources_say/?rdt=61738

If Grant Williams was getting rotation minutes that Livers was getting earlier this season for us we'd probably have 50% more wins... 9 instead of 6.

[buzzkilloton]

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet they’re quite alot lower then some think.

Future picks are pretty valuable- it’s 2024 picks that are devalued in the trade market right now.

No way we could get our pick back, even if (sadly) there’s a good chance we don’t make the playoffs in that time frame and it becomes seconds.

It’s a sellers market, so there is some leeway in that, but probably not enough.

I predicted last week that this deadline was going to be a dud- not just for us but for the league as a whole. So far I’ve read a lot that lends credibility to that idea.

"2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled"

Thats the protections on the pick.

Honestly that trade was a really bad shortsighted move when you put into perspective. Like Stew is a solid player but a pick in that range always has a high probability of bricking out completely. Hell even higher lotto picks brick out all the time that was just pick 17 in what was considered not a strong class at the time.

Then you factor in the potential to kill your flexibility through 2027. Then in the end we very well might lose a higher pick then what we gave them in the first place at the same time as having no flexibility.

We keep hearing how the entire league wants Burks+BB the Knicks are like the exact team that is win now that would like to add these sort of guys. Yet they wont even do it because that pick heavily protected is still worth more then them.

Yeah i agree deadline will be dead. I'm just kinda trying to speak some action into existence.

[GreekAlex]

Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

Grant Williams wouldn't have helped for ****. He's an underperforming guy that talks big and doesn't actually back it up. You give him a bigger role like what the Mavs did and this was the result. He's been terrible and Mavs fans are completely against him like we do with a Hayes or a Livers

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ajq192/stein_the_bucks_and_mavericks_league_sources_say/?rdt=61738

If Grant Williams was getting rotation minutes that Livers was getting earlier this season for us we'd probably have 50% more wins... 9 instead of 6.

If Gallo & Muscala had been here all season, I’m sure we’d have more wins.

If Killian didn’t get so much playing time, I’m sure we’d have more wins.

It just illustrates that we need more competent players, not that signing Grant Williams to the deal Dallas gave him is a good idea.

[DBC10]

Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

Grant Williams wouldn't have helped for ****. He's an underperforming guy that talks big and doesn't actually back it up. You give him a bigger role like what the Mavs did and this was the result. He's been terrible and Mavs fans are completely against him like we do with a Hayes or a Livers

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ajq192/stein_the_bucks_and_mavericks_league_sources_say/?rdt=61738

If Grant Williams was getting rotation minutes that Livers was getting earlier this season for us we'd probably have 50% more wins... 9 instead of 6.

Which I will not object just due to how objectively awful Livers is as a player. Still is hard to impress that Grant is some game-changer in the lockerroom or on the court

[Snakebites]

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet they’re quite alot lower then some think.

Future picks are pretty valuable- it’s 2024 picks that are devalued in the trade market right now.

No way we could get our pick back, even if (sadly) there’s a good chance we don’t make the playoffs in that time frame and it becomes seconds.

It’s a sellers market, so there is some leeway in that, but probably not enough.

I predicted last week that this deadline was going to be a dud- not just for us but for the league as a whole. So far I’ve read a lot that lends credibility to that idea.

"2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled"

Thats the protections on the pick.

Honestly that trade was a really bad shortsighted move when you put into perspective. Like Stew is a solid player but a pick in that range always has a high probability of bricking out completely. Hell even higher lotto picks brick out all the time that was just pick 17 in what was considered not a strong class at the time.

Then you factor in the potential to kill your flexibility through 2027. Then in the end we very well might lose a higher pick then what we gave them in the first place at the same time as having no flexibility.

We keep hearing how the entire league wants Burks+BB the Knicks are like the exact team that is win now that would like to add these sort of guys. Yet they wont even do it because that pick heavily protected is still worth more then them.

Yeah i agree deadline will be dead. I'm just kinda trying to speak some action into existence.

Yeah it “felt” like a good move at the time, at least to me. I’ll grant I should have seen the issues at the time- the quality of the move was based on too many hard to validate assumptions- assumptions that would prove false.

At the time I don’t think we thought we’d be this bad for this long. I think at the time the thought was that we’d end up giving up a pick of comparable level to 16 sometime around now. The hope was by then that we’d have a nice core of young players and the mid- first rounder wouldn’t be much of a loss.

There’s no way they imagined it would prove this big a hinderance for years beyond.

That…didn’t work out. Weaver bet on his own ability to make a winning team through the draft and he lost. Or rather we lost.

It was a fairly weak draft in 2020, but we still could have made out a lot better than we did.

[DetroitSho]

Grant Williams has gone to a whole different team and sucked it up, and people are still carrying his water. It seems like for this fanbase our scrubs are the scum of the Earth but there's no better player than the other team's scrub. Weird.

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[bstein14]

Grant Williams wouldn't have helped for ****. He's an underperforming guy that talks big and doesn't actually back it up. You give him a bigger role like what the Mavs did and this was the result. He's been terrible and Mavs fans are completely against him like we do with a Hayes or a Livers

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ajq192/stein_the_bucks_and_mavericks_league_sources_say/?rdt=61738

If Grant Williams was getting rotation minutes that Livers was getting earlier this season for us we'd probably have 50% more wins... 9 instead of 6.

Which I will not object just due to how objectively awful Livers is as a player. Still is hard to impress that Grant is some game-changer in the lockerroom or on the court

I agree, he's a solid end of rotation piece but he's far from a difference maker or leader. That said, a bench of Grant Williams + Morris + Sasser + Gallinari + Muscala is far beyond what a bench of Livers, Killiam, Bagley, Wiseman is... collectively that's a massive upgrady.

Sasser + Burks + Grant Williams + Ausar + Stew
or
Morris + Sasser + Grant Williams + Ausar + Stew
or
Sasser + Top 3 pick + Grant Williams + Ausar + Stew

Any of those could potentially be a great bench unit for us next year. The Ausar/Williams/Stew combination at the 3/4/5 spots would give the bench enough shoot around Ausar but also a ton of defense and toughness. I'd trade Burks for Grant Williams and not think twice about it his contract is fine and he is still just 25 years old.

[bstein14]

We for sure aren't giving that pick back this year and most likely not next year either. It feels like most likely it will be a 2026 pick in the 12-16 range that we give up assuming we are good enough to get to .500 ball in two years. Would be incredibly sad if we're still not a .500 team two years from now it would have to mean several of our lottery picks didn't pan out.

[Snakebites]

Grant Williams has gone to a whole different team and sucked it up, and people are still carrying his water. It seems like for this fanbase our scrubs are the scum of the Earth but there's no better player than the other team's scrub. Weird.

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The guy isn’t a starter but is being played as one.

He’s touted as a three and d player but isn’t anything special at either of those things. Usable as a 8th or 9th man. Was out of Boston’s playoff rotation in some matchups. Got famously torched by Jimmy. The kind of guy you don’t mind having off the bench if he’s cheap.

[Crymson]

\Cheerleader? I said we should've signed him, opposed to start Isaiah Stewart at PF. Starting Stewart at PF was one of the main reason for us being the worst team in NBA history.

We also lack any sort of leadership, including from our FO and coaching staff, Grant Williams would've helped with that.

Williams has not been a good player this season.

Could we even get our first rounder back from NY for BB? If so clearly Weaver should get it back so we have flexibility to make a trade.

Burks and BB are just the most valuable vets on a 6 win team. Id like to actually see the real offers that have been made to us for them. I bet their quite alot lower then some think.

Unlikely. Bojan's defense is a liability in the postseason and he'll have a proportionally smaller role next to the greater amount of scoring talent in New York. That pick could end up being top-ten.

"2024: 1-18 Own; 19-30 to NYK
2025:1-13 Own; 14-30 to NYK if not already settled
2026: 1-11 Own; 12-30 to NYK if not already settled
2027 : 1-9 Own; 10-30 to NYK if not already settled"

Thats the protections on the pick.

Honestly that trade was a really bad shortsighted move when you put into perspective. Like Stew is a solid player but a pick in that range always has a high probability of bricking out completely. Hell even higher lotto picks brick out all the time that was just pick 17 in what was considered not a strong class at the time.

The trade was idiotic; Weaver both ponied up a future first and locked up the team's firsts until 2029 for the sake of a pick in the middle of the first round, with which he selected a backup center.

But this front office has always been happy to pursue its off-the-beaten-track management strategy with a complete disregard for the consequences, and this was no different. "The average team would never do it, but we will! Why shouldn't we?"