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Post#81 » by stylesofpunk » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:05 am

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stylesofpunk wrote:Im in the not wanting to invest that much money in someone like Horford

but

I would be willing to trade with ATL for those picks

#12 and #21 and Sefolosha for Reggie Bullock


They get savings and a young player in Bullock and we get a few picks(maybe we could package a few to move up for a player)


They got #12 for Teague...

You want #12 & #21 for Bullock?



Rumor is they want to trade those picks and maybe someone to open up cap space to sign Horford and another Max like contract or me if that is true I offer that deal losing Bullock hurts only a little but we get Thabo on a 1 year deal and 2 picks so we could have 3 1st rounders which I think we could trade a few of and move up
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#82 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:18 am

I wonder if we go after david west if Al doesn't work
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#83 » by stylesofpunk » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:42 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:I wonder if we go after david west if Al doesn't work



Speights maybe?
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#84 » by Todd3 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:06 am

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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#85 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:24 am

I love Horford, but his age and health scared me a lot.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#86 » by Joe Berry » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:31 am

In SVG We Trust wrote:I love Horford, but his age and health scared me a lot.


Sheed was 29 when we got him. Big man like Horford age well, he is not overly depended on his athleticism. We would get him in his prime.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#87 » by In SVG We Trust » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:34 am

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In SVG We Trust wrote:I love Horford, but his age and health scared me a lot.


Sheed was 29 when we got him. Big man like Horford age well, he is not overly depended on his athleticism. We would get him in his prime.

Sheed had not the injury history of Horford
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#88 » by RipCity32 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:16 am

Joe Berry wrote:
In SVG We Trust wrote:I love Horford, but his age and health scared me a lot.


Sheed was 29 when we got him. Big man like Horford age well, he is not overly depended on his athleticism. We would get him in his prime.

Hit the nail on the head. Horfords playing type is ageless. I think he would be a good- starter worthy player until like 35.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#89 » by Billl » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:57 pm

There is a big difference between getting a 29 yr old as the last piece to a puzzle vs getting a 30 yr old to help us get home court in the first round. Al will likely be a quality player for 5 years, but he's definitely not going to be "in his prime" that whole time. Heck, I'd already call him a bit passed his prime. His prime was 17/10. He's been 15/7 the last 2 years.

Also, we didn't offer sheed a max contract. He got him at $11mil when the max was $15mil.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#90 » by bstein14 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:04 pm

Biggest reason why Horford might come here is that there was a time when he really didn't want to play center... He's shifted away from battling down low and we can sell him on the fact that Dre will be the work horse on the glass. We can also sell him on being the vet leader of a young up and coming team that has some really solid pieces to work with. He could also be "the guy" for us because he's talented enough offensively to lead our team in FGAs and scoring IMO. I think if he does come he's an all-star for us and we're a 50 win team with HCA next year.

That said, I won't be too sad if he doesn't sign with us. We'll have other ways to use that cap space and I think no matter what we're winning 45+ games next year just with out internal improvement.... as long as we stay mostly healthy.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#91 » by Todd3 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:15 pm

Horford just turned 30 3 weeks ago. If we signed him to a 4 yr deal, we'd have him at ages 30, 31, 32, 33. All still prime years for a skill player.

Also, the 7 yr age difference between he and Dre is the same as LMA/Kawhi, LeBron/Kyrie, Shaq/Kobe. Shaq/Wade were 10 yrs difference. Kareem/Magic 12 yrs.

So age shouldn't be a factor against signing him.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#92 » by need4detroit » Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:51 pm

He is from Michigan...
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#93 » by The Penguin » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:04 pm

Billl wrote:There is a big difference between getting a 29 yr old as the last piece to a puzzle vs getting a 30 yr old to help us get home court in the first round. Al will likely be a quality player for 5 years, but he's definitely not going to be "in his prime" that whole time. Heck, I'd already call him a bit passed his prime. His prime was 17/10. He's been 15/7 the last 2 years.

Also, we didn't offer sheed a max contract. He got him at $11mil when the max was $15mil.



I think Horford could be "the last piece" to the puzzle. I know we obviously still need a backup PG, but other than that our top 7 would be pretty well set. I'm also aware of the Cavs hold on the East, but all it takes is a Lebron freak injury (I know he's never been hurt, ever) and the East is wide open. You can't operate under the assumption that something can't be won because of who stands in the way, the title is largely decided by freak events (like Curry getting hurt and Draymond swinging at nuts this year) most years.

Horford would allow us to be a very versatile team, we can go very big with Drummond / Horford / Harris or Mook or we could go all the way to a "5 out" team with Horford / Harris / Mook when Drummond needs a breather/is getting hacked, with several different "4 out" combinations possible around Drummond.

His age is of some concern, but after Dre is extended we'll have everyone but KCP locked up for at least the next 3 years, providing a level of cost certainty to the roster during a time of continually expanding caps and Horford is still young enough he should be a useful player through a 4 year deal.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#94 » by Blkbrd671 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:10 pm

need4detroit wrote:He is from Michigan...


Whats that Al, you promise to bring a Championship to this city?
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Post#95 » by BIG BEN'S FRO » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:24 pm

Rip City, Todd, Penguin.

If we get Horford, max Dre, and eventually have to offer a contract to KCP, our caproom is shot for a few years. Do you honestly feel that the team as it will stand will be good enough to contend that soon with just that change? Keep in mind the whole reason we have improved so far has been largely due to cap flexibility, which we won't have any longer.
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#96 » by sc8581 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:49 pm

How about if we sign Horford then trade Drummond, Bullock and Meeks for Butler and Lopez?

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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#97 » by coordinator0 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:59 pm

How about no?
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#98 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:00 pm

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:Rip City, Todd, Penguin.

If we get Horford, max Dre, and eventually have to offer a contract to KCP, our caproom is shot for a few years. Do you honestly feel that the team as it will stand will be good enough to contend that soon with just that change? Keep in mind the whole reason we have improved so far has been largely due to cap flexibility, which we won't have any longer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we literally signed nobody this offseason and extended Dre and then KCP next offseason, wouldn't we pretty much be up against the 2017 cap next summer anyway WITHOUT Al Horford?
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#99 » by sc8581 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:26 pm

coordinator0 wrote:How about no?


Do you think Drummond is a better player than Butler or makes a bigger impact on the floor?
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Re: Marc Stein - Pistons to make run at Horford 

Post#100 » by coordinator0 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:28 pm

sc8581 wrote:
coordinator0 wrote:How about no?


Do you think Drummond is a better player than Butler or makes a bigger impact on the floor?


I think trading Drummond has absolutely no chance of happening in the next 3-4 years.

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