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MotownMadness wrote:Watching Colorado now, so hopefully Cody Williams shows something
NYPiston wrote:MotownMadness wrote:Watching Colorado now, so hopefully Cody Williams shows something
And he did Nothing. I'll never understand why some people are big fans of his, he's just sorta...there everytime I watch him. This draft is bad but not so bad that I'd be desperate enough to take Cody Williams with a top 5 pick, Jalen Williams he is not.
Maybe he makes me look dumb but I'm not seeing any special skills.
bstein14 wrote:A_dub06 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
This point is never considered by some fans. The idea of us just riding the "core 4" into the sunset and becoming the next Warriors also means they all will get big raises. I think expecting us to get a Curry,Klay,Draymond out of what we have is a pretty big stretch. Those guys had incredible synergy together their games really fit perfectly and Curry is a legend.
The other somewhat modern team blueprint of holding a bunch of lotto picks and contending I can think of is the Thunder. Thats where Troy is from. They had a Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka but let Harden walk due to cash(big mistake but neither here nor there). That team went from 20,23, to 50 by Durants year 3. I dont know if Weaver is thinking thats whats happening here but I think its a huge stretch with our guys turning into that if thats what Troy is trying to do here.
I do think we have a franchise player to build around in Cade here. I'm just looking to get a star next to him that has some synergy. To me I look at the Suns as a more realistic blueprint which funny enough had Monty as the coach. Remember they added CP3 a strong vet to a young core and became contenders and even had a 64 win season. Obv no title for them but getting their once means you at least had a fighting chance.
I think the point that’s being overlooked by some is that the build via the draft camp realise that some players aren’t going to be what we hoped so in theory they aren’t going to cost much to resign making it doable. I don’t think Ivey in his current inconsistent state is worth a hell of a lot. I like the guy and think there’s an all-star calibre player buried in deep but him realising his potential and improving to that point is a big if.
But your point is also why I’m on the draft Sarr and trade Duren island. I think when the time comes Duren is going to command a bag he doesn’t deserve
Ivey looks more like an MLE $ 6th man type after his four years of rookie contract are up.... Ausar hopefully works himself into MLE level 3&D type guy but he's not a star either if he develops he can become a good 4th or 5th starter on the team. I'm big on Duren, but even if he's a 17 and 13 center with a high TS% we aren't going to make the mistake of handing out a MAX deal to him like we did with Drummond. He would have to turn into an elite defensive anchor or incredibly expand his offensive skillset within the next year or two in order to get a huge pay day IMO. Being mostly just rebounding and dunking doesn't get you $25+ million per year even if you're a solid starter.
MotownMadness wrote:NYPiston wrote:MotownMadness wrote:Watching Colorado now, so hopefully Cody Williams shows something
And he did Nothing. I'll never understand why some people are big fans of his, he's just sorta...there everytime I watch him. This draft is bad but not so bad that I'd be desperate enough to take Cody Williams with a top 5 pick, Jalen Williams he is not.
Maybe he makes me look dumb but I'm not seeing any special skills.
I watched Cody again last night. Hes not really bad at anything but is just so content being like a 5th man out there.
I guess he would be a good player to add but he doesn't stand out anywhere.
Reed is having a superstar type of impact out there but his size and lack of athleticism is worrisome. I think hes clearly the best player though.
I don't watch college basketball, never seen the guy play, but I take it he's white. You just named 3 guys who are somehow completely different from each other.bstein14 wrote:Reed Sheppard feels like at worst he's a solid rotation player right away. Like his floor is a slightly shorter Luke Kennard / Grayson Allen but possibly of of Alex Caruso as well. He's just smaller than all those guys, along with a small wingspan and lacking athleticism its hard to say how his physical attributes will hinder him at the NBA level.
He also (at least in college) appears to be a solid defender for his size but we all know the struggles of a 6'2" guy getting a hand up on shooters in the NBA.
DetroitSho wrote:I don't watch college basketball, never seen the guy play, but I take it he's white. You just named 3 guys who are somehow completely different from each other.bstein14 wrote:Reed Sheppard feels like at worst he's a solid rotation player right away. Like his floor is a slightly shorter Luke Kennard / Grayson Allen but possibly of of Alex Caruso as well. He's just smaller than all those guys, along with a small wingspan and lacking athleticism its hard to say how his physical attributes will hinder him at the NBA level.
He also (at least in college) appears to be a solid defender for his size but we all know the struggles of a 6'2" guy getting a hand up on shooters in the NBA.
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I have seen this said about so many players it's absolutely insane at this point.A_dub06 wrote:If Sheppard had elite speed I would be fine drafting him, but he’s a below average athlete for even the college level let alone the NBA meaning all these defensive stats and plays mean less since he’s not going to be able to do that to the majority of players that are not only bigger but faster too.
I don’t see a world where he’s even a remote consideration if you are picking 1-3
A_dub06 wrote:bstein14 wrote:A_dub06 wrote:
I think the point that’s being overlooked by some is that the build via the draft camp realise that some players aren’t going to be what we hoped so in theory they aren’t going to cost much to resign making it doable. I don’t think Ivey in his current inconsistent state is worth a hell of a lot. I like the guy and think there’s an all-star calibre player buried in deep but him realising his potential and improving to that point is a big if.
But your point is also why I’m on the draft Sarr and trade Duren island. I think when the time comes Duren is going to command a bag he doesn’t deserve
Ivey looks more like an MLE $ 6th man type after his four years of rookie contract are up.... Ausar hopefully works himself into MLE level 3&D type guy but he's not a star either if he develops he can become a good 4th or 5th starter on the team. I'm big on Duren, but even if he's a 17 and 13 center with a high TS% we aren't going to make the mistake of handing out a MAX deal to him like we did with Drummond. He would have to turn into an elite defensive anchor or incredibly expand his offensive skillset within the next year or two in order to get a huge pay day IMO. Being mostly just rebounding and dunking doesn't get you $25+ million per year even if you're a solid starter.
Whilst I agree with what you are saying, our GM is Weaver. Dude gave Bagley a fully guaranteed $12.5m deal for 3 years with not even a team option when no other team even winked in Bagley’s direction. I do not trust gores to make the right decision and fire him asap nor do I trust Weaver to actually act as a gm and force players to get a better deal whilst offering a lesser more affordable deal. He’ll want to tout Duren as his draft success even if he just is a rebounding and dunking machine with bad-average defence
tmorgan wrote:Moose follows this stuff more closely than I do, gonna take his word for it. Obviously a very sketchy draft.
I know Sheppard will play in the NBA. But TJ McConnell with a sweet stroke is one hell of an underwhelming top 3 pick.
