theBigLip wrote:thesack12 wrote:theBigLip wrote:
You mean we could have overpaid for Grant Williams this summer, like Dallas did. Just because he's had a few games with Charlotte doesn't mean that was a good signing, or a missed opportunity by us.
Weaver is not even close to the "worst GM of all time". If that's what you really believe, why do you torture yourself and stay on this board or pay attention to the Pistons at all?
Isiah and SVG were clearly worse GMs. Even Dumars is probably worse - Darko, CV and BG signings.
Outside of obvious troll type posts, this underlined statement is EASILY the worst take I have ever seen on this website in the 16 years that I've been a member.
Dumars took over a roster that wasn't exactly flush with talent, yet elevated his team from a non playoff team to making the Eastern Conference Finals in only two years. He won a championship in his 4th season, and the following year taking the Finals to a game 7.
Overall Joe's teams had 7 consecutive 50+ win seasons with one 64 win season, 7 consecutive ECF's, 2 Finals appearances, and 1 championship.
Meanwhile, bum ass Troy Weaver has failed to eclipse 23 wins in his 4 years on the job. This despite having a #7 pick, #1 pick, #5 pick, another #5 pick, and gobs of cap space every summer.
A more simplistic way to compare:
Dumars won a championship in year 4.
Weaver fielded one of the worst teams in NBA history in year 4.
Troy Weaver is not even in the same galaxy of a GM that Dumars was. As I said above, saying Dumars was worse is EASILY the worst take I've ever seen.
Maybe I should have used green font
But my point is that Dumars clearly made some mistakes that Weaver has not.
You (and lots of others) keep whining about Weaver’s drafting. Weaver’s done a good job. Hayes was his worse pick. But that wasn’t as bad as Darko.
Another big complaint is free agency. Weaver hasn’t blown his wad (yet). When Dumars did, he spent a boatload on Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. I’m sure Weaver will do better than that this summer.
Yeah, I rarely even post around here these days so I just go ahead and disregard the "whining" accusations.
The Darko pick is revisionist history. Darko was SUPREMELY hyped going into that draft. Can't speak for others, but I'm old enough to remember the pre-draft process in 2003.
But you don't have to believe, just read this article... It likens him to Dirk, Gasol, Olajuwon, Chamberlain
https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2014/9/24/6841293/rip-hamilton-reaction-darko-milicic-2003-nba-draftAll that being said, Darko was a colossal bust, therefore Dumars deserves the criticism of that pick.
In the interest of fairness, you can't pin Dumars' drafting prowess on a single pick. He got Prince @ 23 who was a core player for 7 year run of great teams. He got Maxiell @ 26 who was a rotation player on a 5 year run of great teams. He got Okur in the 2nd round @ 38 who was a key contributor off the bench for the championship team. He got Stuckey at 15, who Dumars mistakenly put too much faith in but was a decent player and a solid pick @ 15. Stuckey was light years better than Hayes who was taken @ 7. He drafted Afflalo @ 27, who didn't get much of a chance while in Detroit but went on to have a rock solid career so @ 27 that was a very good pick.
Dumars started his tenure with his highest pick each year being: 14, 9, 23, 2, 54, 26, 60, 15, and 29. Its quite a bit easier to hit on picks at the top of the draft. While the Darko pick turned out awful, Dumars' draft record overall in his first 10 years is quite solid.
As for free agency, Everybody talks about Gordon and Villanueva, but nobody wants to mention signing Billups to an MLE contract and netting Antonio Mcdyess as a free agent. On the whole, Dumars free agency performance isn't stellar but its worth noting that Dumars had substantial cap space only twice during his tenure, and both those times were after the "goin to work" team was disbanded.
Also, if we are going to give Troy Weaver some leeway in regards to free agency because its a well known fact that Detroit is absolutely not a free agent destination, why does Dumars not get that same credence?
In addition, we can't forget that Troy has had massive cap space every year he's been in office. Yet, he has not improved the team in any meaningful way with all that cap space.
You have your head in the sand if you don't think Weaver hasn't made any mistakes, that's just an asinine statement. Now if you want to say he hasn't made mistakes to the magnitude of a bust #2 pick or 3 Bust high dollar free agent signings like Dumars did, fine. However, again in the interest of fairness Dumars held the job for 14 years, Weaver only 4. So there is immensely more Dumars moves to critique than Weaver moves.
Its not hard to field 20 win teams on an annual basis. Its also not really all that hard to tear down a roster. Maintaining cap flexibility is the best thing you can say about Weaver's tenure. Weaver has literally done nothing to prove that he knows how to build a winner. If we are being honest with ourselves this team is at least 2 years away from even challenging to make the play in.
People get way too hung up on Darko and Gordon/CV. Show me a GM that hasn't made mistakes, let alone one that had a flawless resume over a 14 year career.
At the end of the day Dumars transformed his team from a non playoff team into a championship team in 4 years.
Weaver turned a 20 win team into a likely <15 win team in 4 years, even with having #7 pick, #1 pick, #5 pick, #13 pick, #5 pick, + massive cap space every year.
We had cap space for 3 seasons now, what we did with the cap space? 0 nada nothing. Weaver is inept.
