Game 44: Sixers @ Warriors Game Thread

[billinder33]

Final thought... I love this version of Dray. I wonder how long it's going to last until the next meltdown.

For years Dray was baited by the media into believing that his clown act was the reason the Ws were successful, rather than a detriment to them reaching even greater heights. That act cost the Ws at least one championship, possibly more thanks to alienating Durant. If we had this version of Dray all along? Almost certainly would be sitting on 5 titles right now, possibly 6 or 7.

[Onus]

Klay has missed two games this season. Result? Two blowout wins. In all, how many blowouts have the Warriors even had this year?

Also, when they won their last championship, they started the season 18-2. Guess who wasn't in lineup for those games? You got it, Klay.

Klay has tanked the last 2.5 seasons. It's crazy that we've allowed that to happen. Kerr has been able to get Iguodala, CP3, Dray, Curry to come off the bench. But Klay never. Klay has him held hostage. If he can't get over himself then he's got to go. It really doesn't even matter what you get back, it's addition by subtraction at this point. MDJ needs to trade klay for whatever he can get. Save this team from Klay.

[CDM_Stats]

The deeper the dive, the more clear it becomes.. Klay has to go, since Kerr refuses to evaluate on a level playing field. Never forget that Kerr’s as much to blame for this as anyone.. all the online vitriol for Klay is because of him more than Klay

[CDM_Stats]

How is Curry scoring all these points without CP3 in the lineup to "unlock" him?

I don't recall where this idea started.

Green is the player who both best compliments as well as "unlocks" Curry.

Had no idea it did start, but the idea that Steph needs another ball handler to be maxed out is pretty well accepted at this point

Big reason why Podz gets so many minutes and why DJM/Siakam were preferred targets. The Steph TOs aren’t going to go away, and the team needs to be able to minimize them

[jozef]

If Steph keeps shooting 8 of 13 from perimeter and opponents will have 4 injured starters then Klay can go

[billinder33]

Klay has missed two games this season. Result? Two blowout wins. In all, how many blowouts have the Warriors even had this year?

Also, when they won their last championship, they started the season 18-2. Guess who wasn't in lineup for those games? You got it, Klay.

Klay has tanked the last 2.5 seasons. It's crazy that we've allowed that to happen. Kerr has been able to get Iguodala, CP3, Dray, Curry to come off the bench. But Klay never. Klay has him held hostage. If he can't get over himself then he's got to go. It really doesn't even matter what you get back, it's addition by subtraction at this point. MDJ needs to trade klay for whatever he can get. Save this team from Klay.

I love Klay for all he's done for the Ws, but assuming he makes it past the trade deadline, I'm really hoping the W's don't bring him back in any capacity. I think he's going to find the offseason market to be brutal in relation to his contract expectations, and the temptation will be for him to work something out with the W's on a far reduced salary, like $8M-$10M per year.

I hope the Ws don't bite, because the organization's temptation will always be to see 4-title Klay and not who he is today, which is a mid-bench role player.

[Onus]

Klay has missed two games this season. Result? Two blowout wins. In all, how many blowouts have the Warriors even had this year?

Also, when they won their last championship, they started the season 18-2. Guess who wasn't in lineup for those games? You got it, Klay.

Klay has tanked the last 2.5 seasons. It's crazy that we've allowed that to happen. Kerr has been able to get Iguodala, CP3, Dray, Curry to come off the bench. But Klay never. Klay has him held hostage. If he can't get over himself then he's got to go. It really doesn't even matter what you get back, it's addition by subtraction at this point. MDJ needs to trade klay for whatever he can get. Save this team from Klay.

I love Klay for all he's done for the Ws, but assuming he makes it past the trade deadline, I'm really hoping the W's don't bring him back in any capacity. I think he's going to find the offseason market to be brutal in relation to his contract expectations, and the temptation will be for him to work something out with the W's on a far reduced salary, like $8M-$10M per year.

I hope the Ws don't bite, because the organization's temptation will always be to see 4-title Klay and not who he is today, which is a mid-bench role player.

Klay putting it out there that he still sees himself as a big money wing is just delusional at this point. The warriors should be lowering their offer from what it was this past summer.

[jozef]

Tanking 2.5 seasons? HUH, did not they win championship in 2022?
Just for the record: 2022/23 6-7 without Klay, 38-29 with Klay

[SpreeChokeJob]

With Draymond back Podz superiority over Moody at ball handling stops being important because Draymond is our ball handlee. So Moody can play.

But I still want Klay for offense and I am picking Kuminga over Moody and asking Klay to defend power forwards and asking Kuminga to defend off guards.

But if Draymond is on the floor for passing I will pick Moody over Podz.

Klay’s offense isn’t needed with JK’s rise. What’s needed is defense to cover for Curry. Klay is not going to defend any power forwards. Wth?

Graduate from the Steve Kerr school of smol ball defense?

If we really want a good offense we need Curry, Dray, Klay, Kuminga and a screen setter or good Wiggins.

Klay and Kuminga do different things and they do not replace each other. Yes Klay is less needed if Kuminga is scoring well.

If you want the Warriors offense to improve then improving the defense is the answer. Yesterday the defense fed into the offense leading to fast break opportunities and surprise attacks. You don’t get that with Klay.

With a bad defense, the other team will score and get back to a set defense making scoring an uphill climb.

[Onus]

The deeper the dive, the more clear it becomes.. Klay has to go, since Kerr refuses to evaluate on a level playing field. Never forget that Kerr’s as much to blame for this as anyone.. all the online vitriol for Klay is because of him more than Klay

I mean Kerr deserves some blame, but more than Klay? Kerr has gotten Wiggins, Iguodala, CP3, Dray and Curry to come off the bench. So obviously he can communicate with big time players and get them to buy in for what's best for the team. Klay is the outlier in this situation. So yea Kerr not being able to get Klay to buy in, is partially on Kerr, but the majority has to be on Klay since Kerr has been able to do it with just about everyone else.

[Onus]

Tanking 2.5 seasons? HUH, did not they win championship in 2022?
Just for the record: 2022/23 6-7 without Klay, 38-29 with Klay

For the record 18-2 without Klay, then Klay re-inserted into the starting lineup and the season spiraled down from there.

[whatisacenter]

Tanking 2.5 seasons? HUH, did not they win championship in 2022?
Just for the record: 2022/23 6-7 without Klay, 38-29 with Klay

For the record 18-2 without Klay, then Klay re-inserted into the starting lineup and the season spiraled down from there.

spiraled down into a 4th title

[Onus]

Tanking 2.5 seasons? HUH, did not they win championship in 2022?
Just for the record: 2022/23 6-7 without Klay, 38-29 with Klay

For the record 18-2 without Klay, then Klay re-inserted into the starting lineup and the season spiraled down from there.

spiraled down into a 4th title

Probably could've been a 1 seed and made the run easier.

[cpower]

we will be fine as long as Curry is scoring 37 points on 96%TS

[Impuniti]

Klay has missed two games this season. Result? Two blowout wins. In all, how many blowouts have the Warriors even had this year?

Also, when they won their last championship, they started the season 18-2. Guess who wasn't in lineup for those games? You got it, Klay.

Klay has tanked the last 2.5 seasons. It's crazy that we've allowed that to happen. Kerr has been able to get Iguodala, CP3, Dray, Curry to come off the bench. But Klay never. Klay has him held hostage. If he can't get over himself then he's got to go. It really doesn't even matter what you get back, it's addition by subtraction at this point. MDJ needs to trade klay for whatever he can get. Save this team from Klay.

IF?

Why are you adding that word there as if we don't know the answer. Klay actually has a good amount of value though. High salary expirings always have value to roughly half the league. Add Podz, picks and see if Bridges is available. Imagine a lineup with him, JK, Dray, Steph and Wiggins. That's an elite defense right there.

[Impuniti]

The deeper the dive, the more clear it becomes.. Klay has to go, since Kerr refuses to evaluate on a level playing field. Never forget that Kerr’s as much to blame for this as anyone.. all the online vitriol for Klay is because of him more than Klay

I mean Kerr deserves some blame, but more than Klay? Kerr has gotten Wiggins, Iguodala, CP3, Dray and Curry to come off the bench. So obviously he can communicate with big time players and get them to buy in for what's best for the team. Klay is the outlier in this situation. So yea Kerr not being able to get Klay to buy in, is partially on Kerr, but the majority has to be on Klay since Kerr has been able to do it with just about everyone else.

Kerr absolutely is more to blame. You ask first, and you tell later. It's the coaches job, his disgusting rotations and lineups have lost the Warriors a ton of games this season. Because he can't man up and do his job. How many games early in the season was Moody, JK or someone else lighting it up only for Klay and Wiggins were woeful to come and close.. and then lose that game?

If Klay doesn't buy in, he sees the bench. Or doesn't play at all.

[Impuniti]

Tanking 2.5 seasons? HUH, did not they win championship in 2022?
Just for the record: 2022/23 6-7 without Klay, 38-29 with Klay

For the record 18-2 without Klay, then Klay re-inserted into the starting lineup and the season spiraled down from there.

spiraled down into a 4th title

This is why I dislike the arguments that when someone wins, every single action is correct. And when they lose, every single action is wrong. Kerr could have absolutely gotten that result without tanking the entire team for 2 months just to feed Klay's Mount Olympus sized ego. Kerr started losing his locker since that season, Steph was just smart enough to add a bandaid to nuclear level thread to hold it down for the short term. Steph was the one that suggested he come from the bench then.

A lot of these young guys have been watching Klay make thousands of mistakes in the last 2 1/2 years as they get pulled when they make 1-2. Who would respect a coach that has that level of double standard or hypocrisy?

[CDM_Stats]

The deeper the dive, the more clear it becomes.. Klay has to go, since Kerr refuses to evaluate on a level playing field. Never forget that Kerr’s as much to blame for this as anyone.. all the online vitriol for Klay is because of him more than Klay

I mean Kerr deserves some blame, but more than Klay? Kerr has gotten Wiggins, Iguodala, CP3, Dray and Curry to come off the bench. So obviously he can communicate with big time players and get them to buy in for what's best for the team. Klay is the outlier in this situation. So yea Kerr not being able to get Klay to buy in, is partially on Kerr, but the majority has to be on Klay since Kerr has been able to do it with just about everyone else.

Old saying in medical: its easy to be nice to the nice ones.. a lot of unselfish players have been OK coming off the bench. But what about the ones who aren't willing? That's where a leader needs to step up.. ultimately Kerr has the final say, and instead of taking charge, he just made excuses without actually making any changes

[Onus]

Klay has missed two games this season. Result? Two blowout wins. In all, how many blowouts have the Warriors even had this year?

Also, when they won their last championship, they started the season 18-2. Guess who wasn't in lineup for those games? You got it, Klay.

Klay has tanked the last 2.5 seasons. It's crazy that we've allowed that to happen. Kerr has been able to get Iguodala, CP3, Dray, Curry to come off the bench. But Klay never. Klay has him held hostage. If he can't get over himself then he's got to go. It really doesn't even matter what you get back, it's addition by subtraction at this point. MDJ needs to trade klay for whatever he can get. Save this team from Klay.

IF?

Why are you adding that word there as if we don't know the answer. Klay actually has a good amount of value though. High salary expirings always have value to roughly half the league. Add Podz, picks and see if Bridges is available. Imagine a lineup with him, JK, Dray, Steph and Wiggins. That's an elite defense right there.

I'd trade the farm for Bridges.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The deeper the dive, the more clear it becomes.. Klay has to go, since Kerr refuses to evaluate on a level playing field. Never forget that Kerr’s as much to blame for this as anyone.. all the online vitriol for Klay is because of him more than Klay

I mean Kerr deserves some blame, but more than Klay? Kerr has gotten Wiggins, Iguodala, CP3, Dray and Curry to come off the bench. So obviously he can communicate with big time players and get them to buy in for what's best for the team. Klay is the outlier in this situation. So yea Kerr not being able to get Klay to buy in, is partially on Kerr, but the majority has to be on Klay since Kerr has been able to do it with just about everyone else.

Steph and dray need some blame too. I'm not sure they are open to bringing klay off the bench.

When they wanted loon to start, kerr obliged. If those 2 want klay off the bench, it might happen.