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Re: 1/25 Game 42 Kings (24-18) @ Warriors (19-22) on TNT 

Post#221 » by sonnyhill » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:16 pm

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TB wrote:Was there a dead-ball before that play? I know there was when Steph was out of bounds (when Kerr should have challenged), but was the Sabonis dunk an out of bounds play?

If so, maybe the main issue is having Steph on ball and our two worst help defenders in the two help positions. Podz in Klay's low-man spot is already there and takes a charge on Sabonis.

(unless of course that was live ball and that was our offensive unit... I just can't recall)



Wiggins was on fox.

I think brown was hunting curry regardless. Kerr was banking on weakside help, but steph also just let sabonis go.
Brown planned it well.

Wiggs cant leave fox because inbounder is generally the most dangerous player.
Then dray gets switched onto huerter at the 3 point line.
That leaves sabonis to rim run forcing jk or klay to make a play.

Kerr, steph, and klay were the problems in that order.


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Re: 1/25 Game 42 Kings (24-18) @ Warriors (19-22) on TNT 

Post#222 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:18 pm

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Post#223 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:35 pm

Steph Curry isos are no longer a game winner. I dont know how much more evidence Kerr needs
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Post#224 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:37 pm

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Screw history, screw loyalty. This needs to happen. Make him the salary centerpiece for a Hawks offer for DJM/Capela

At this point I'd rather keep CP3 than Klay. CP3's contract and play make him more valuable to the present and future of the team
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Post#225 » by Onus » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:44 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:Steph Curry isos are no longer a game winner. I dont know how much more evidence Kerr needs

But we didn’t get an iso cuz dray brought his defender to Steph. If Steph can’t close games anymore then it’s over anyways.
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Post#226 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:32 pm

Worst double team ever?

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Klay transitioning to stretch center and working on his drop coverage :)
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Post#227 » by killmongrel » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:09 pm

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If this is true then he needs to be traded.
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Post#228 » by Onus » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:30 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Worst double team ever?

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Klay transitioning to stretch center and working on his drop coverage :)

Klay knows he can't guard anyone. The last person to realize it is Kerr.
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Post#229 » by jozef » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:57 pm

There are few interesting posters here but majority cannot analyze anything :)
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Post#230 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:16 pm

Onus wrote:Klay knows he can't guard anyone. The last person to realize it is Kerr.


It's so frustrating because I really do like Steve and think he helped change us into a champion post Jackson, but his handling of Klay has been an absolute disaster. If you asked me years ago about Steve's ability to be real with his players and help them navigate old age, I would have bet money that Steve would have been the one to help Klay realize he's a bench level guy right on schedule... instead he's fed Klay's delusion that he is or could be close to what he was.

It's by far my biggest gripe with Steve, so much of what we do/why we do it/issues ends up revolving around Klay. If we resign Klay to a big contract and start him next season, it's going to be a REALLY long year. Like even if you think Klay's on the border (which I don't) you should be able to see that he's not the future and we're going nowhere with the team as-is. There's no way he is a starter in a universe where our team is a contender... so what are we doing? Why not start looking for answers now?
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Re: 1/25 Game 42 Kings (24-18) @ Warriors (19-22) on TNT 

Post#231 » by jozef » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:47 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Worst double team ever?
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Klay transitioning to stretch center and working on his drop coverage :)

Klay knows he can't guard anyone. The last person to realize it is Kerr.

The purpose of that doubleteam was to take the ball out of Fox hands. They did it loosely cause they needed to rotate quickly next. Kerr and Atkinson were overviewing it from sidelines.
Forced double team could result in a foul and free throws. Kings players were spaced well and Barnes made the shot. End of story.
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Re: 1/25 Game 42 Kings (24-18) @ Warriors (19-22) on TNT 

Post#232 » by Impuniti » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:57 pm

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If this is true then he needs to be traded.

Even if it's not true, he should be traded. People don't seem to accept reality that this can no longer be a top level team if both guys like Steph and Klay play large minutes, both being horrible defenders. I'm more annoyed at Steph because his effort level is pathetic compared to the last decade of him playing basketball.
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Post#233 » by killmongrel » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:02 pm

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If this is true then he needs to be traded.

Even if it's not true, he should be traded. People don't seem to accept reality that this can no longer be a top level team if both guys like Steph and Klay play large minutes, both being horrible defenders. I'm more annoyed at Steph because his effort level is pathetic compared to the last decade of him playing basketball.


I view it this way, this season is basically washed because I don't see a team that can contend. So almost as a favor to Steph, since he wants Klay on the team so much, the organization will do him the solid of letting Klay finish out his contract and letting him walk in the summer when or if Klay asks for a big contract.

With that said, I am not in that camp of fans that are like "the big 3 need to finish their careers together!". I don't really care. If they were to trade him this season I'd actually respect Dunleavy more. But Klay does still have value. But it's as a 6th man on a team, not as the high level starter he might still think he is.
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Post#234 » by Impuniti » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:05 pm

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killmongrel wrote:
If this is true then he needs to be traded.

Even if it's not true, he should be traded. People don't seem to accept reality that this can no longer be a top level team if both guys like Steph and Klay play large minutes, both being horrible defenders. I'm more annoyed at Steph because his effort level is pathetic compared to the last decade of him playing basketball.


I view it this way, this season is basically washed because I don't see a team that can contend. So almost as a favor to Steph, since he wants Klay on the team so much, the organization will do him the solid of letting Klay finish out his contract and letting him walk in the summer when Klay eventually asks for a big contract.

With that said, I am not in that camp of fans that are like "the big 3 need to finish their careers together!". I don't really care. If they were to trade him this season I'd actually respect Dunleavy more.

F**** what Steph wants and his feelings. His job is to play not to run the team. I don't give a **** what he wants. His job is to play basketball and help win championships.

I absolutely loathe watching this team because of the emberrasing walking on egg shells that this team has to do to cater to a bunch of divas. I would throw Klay and include Steve Kerr and his **** level coaching from this season in a deal with some picks to get something of value back. Then Kerr can continue his career as a coach as he started it as a GM.
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Re: 1/25 Game 42 Kings (24-18) @ Warriors (19-22) on TNT 

Post#235 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:11 pm

Onus wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:Steph Curry isos are no longer a game winner. I dont know how much more evidence Kerr needs

But we didn’t get an iso cuz dray brought his defender to Steph. If Steph can’t close games anymore then it’s over anyways.


And Steph opted to keep it vs 2 people instead of breaking the halfcourt down 4 on 3.. so unless Dray went rogue and did that on his own, what exactly was the plan? Was there a plan?
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Post#236 » by killmongrel » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:11 pm

Impuniti wrote:
killmongrel wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Even if it's not true, he should be traded. People don't seem to accept reality that this can no longer be a top level team if both guys like Steph and Klay play large minutes, both being horrible defenders. I'm more annoyed at Steph because his effort level is pathetic compared to the last decade of him playing basketball.


I view it this way, this season is basically washed because I don't see a team that can contend. So almost as a favor to Steph, since he wants Klay on the team so much, the organization will do him the solid of letting Klay finish out his contract and letting him walk in the summer when Klay eventually asks for a big contract.

With that said, I am not in that camp of fans that are like "the big 3 need to finish their careers together!". I don't really care. If they were to trade him this season I'd actually respect Dunleavy more.

F**** what Steph wants and his feelings. His job is to play not to run the team. I don't give a **** what he wants. His job is to play basketball and help win championships.

I absolutely loathe watching this team because of the emberrasing walking on egg shells that this team has to do to cater to a bunch of divas. I would throw Klay and include Steve Kerr and his **** level coaching from this season in a deal with some picks to get something of value back. Then Kerr can continue his career as a coach as he started it as a GM.


If Klay is letting it be know that this is how he truly feels and Dunleavy gets the sense there is no changing it, then yeah, trade the dude now and get something for him.

But for the most part, if this is just rumors and Dunleavy is still on the thought process of he's just going to let Klay play out the contract and there's a chance he may re-sign for a team friendly deal that is more in line with a 6th man type of figure, then I don't mind keeping him. I think Klay can still be beneficial. Just not as a starter.
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Post#237 » by Onus » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:18 pm

jozef wrote:
Onus wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Worst double team ever?
Read on Twitter

Klay transitioning to stretch center and working on his drop coverage :)

Klay knows he can't guard anyone. The last person to realize it is Kerr.

The purpose of that doubleteam was to take the ball out of Fox hands. They did it loosely cause they needed to rotate quickly next. Kerr and Atkinson were overviewing it from sidelines.
Forced double team could result in a foul and free throws. Kings players were spaced well and Barnes made the shot. End of story.

They did it loosely so Klay could rotate where? 2 steps? long close out for him. Not sure he'd be able to make it without so much of a cushion. /s
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Post#238 » by Onus » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:21 pm

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CDM_Stats wrote:Steph Curry isos are no longer a game winner. I dont know how much more evidence Kerr needs

But we didn’t get an iso cuz dray brought his defender to Steph. If Steph can’t close games anymore then it’s over anyways.


And Steph opted to keep it vs 2 people instead of breaking the halfcourt down 4 on 3.. so unless Dray went rogue and did that on his own, what exactly was the plan? Was there a plan?

Why is dray setting a pick? That's just inviting a double team. Dray is 0 for the game. He's not making a clutch layup let alone any type of clutch shot. Get your ass out of the play.

The plan was hope Steph makes a miraculous play. Should've called a timeout as soon as Heurter missed the ft. It created all kinds of confusion for us. Steph ran down the court, then realized he needed to go get the ball. Ran back out to half court to get the ball then Dray set a pick bringing his man to steph. It was all chaos and mostly just chaos for us.
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Post#239 » by superunknown » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:31 pm

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this guy, he's became the epitome of being delusional....sad.
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Post#240 » by Swift21 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:43 pm

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this guy, he's became the epitome of being delusional....sad.


Agreed.

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