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1/27 Game 43 Lakers (23-23) @ Warriors (19-23) 5:30pm on ABC

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Re: 1/27 Game 43 Lakers (23-23) @ Warriors (19-23) 5:30pm on ABC 

Post#361 » by whatisacenter » Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:54 am

HiRez wrote:They only need to win about 75% of their remaining games to get the 6 seed, they got this.


you just know a couple of double digit winning streaks are around the corner!
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Re: 1/27 Game 43 Lakers (23-23) @ Warriors (19-23) 5:30pm on ABC 

Post#362 » by Onus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:59 am

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In the Cohan era, the trade deadline was basketball Christmas. It didnt change much, but ANY change was a welcome sight to give us brief, fleeting hope. Since they wont trade Curry and its unlikely they trade Dray, I'm on board with almost any idea at this point



Chris Paul and Moody and 2 lottery protected 1sts for DeJounte Murray. The goal is just to reach the conference finals. Once in the conference finals there is a tiny chance of a Warriors chamionship.

Then we trade DeJounte Murray at the trade deadline next year for 2 non lottery protected 1sts. We are just renting DeJounte Murray for a year. Next year with Steph Klay and Dray older the dynasty is formally over so there is no reaso to rent DeJounte Murray for a 2nd year.

In Summer 2025 Kuminga should be nearing peak trade value so Trade Kuminga for draft picks.


This doesn't help this season.
Does Murray come off the bench?
Does jk?
Does wiggins?

A Murray move now just moves klay to sf to guard the best wing player and getting 30+ minutes. We'd still have a big defensive problem.

It could help next season if klay is let go and we run a steph/Murray backcourt with dray, wiggs, and jk.

Djm is small. Needs the ball in his hands to be effective and doesn’t really shoot. I don’t get his fit at all.

Djm is not switching onto Luka/Lebron etc and he’s not a great off ball defender.

Now if you’re saying we’re trading him for Klay then yes. Anything to remove that option from Kerr.
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Post#363 » by Onus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:03 am

It’s laughable how the gb is complaining about foul calls missed for the warriors.
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Post#364 » by vagelis » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:03 am

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vagelis wrote:Saric is a poor defender and the first one that should be included in a trade package imo.
CP3 is the second player that comes to my mind.

wrong both players are playing well this season, as 6-8 man they are among the best in the league. The problem is not the 6-8 man but your 3-5 JK/Wiggins/Klay. You either hope they turn around or make a trade.

I see them 0.00000% of turning around, all three of them together.


I think that Saric presence creates chaos in defense and this affects the whole team.
CP3 played a lot of minutes and this was a reason for a lot of small ball.

JK has big potential, I would consider trade him only for Markannen straight up right now.
Wiggins finds his self with the time. He will be his old self after the break.
Klay, maybe I would consider to trade him but he is not as bad as people claim imo. Kerr has to reduce his role and play Wiggins more on ball
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Post#365 » by Onus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:04 am

Kerr needs to sack up and get a post conference fine and lay into the refs. We’ve been getting screwed by the refs consistently.
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Re: 1/27 Game 43 Lakers (23-23) @ Warriors (19-23) 5:30pm on ABC 

Post#366 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:12 am

We're going to get a LMR tomorrow that days bron traveled on that last play.
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Post#367 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:19 am

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Who else do you play when the rest of the roster is injured or fouled out? Looney and Saric that can't move? Although TJD should have been in


Who do you play other than Corey Joseph when you need to stop LeBron? Anyone.

A big, physical team that gets every call needs one bucket and the Warriors go with their three smallest players. Guess what happened?



Wiggins and Klay had fouled out. You are not going to go with Looney, Saric or TJD on that play.


You absolutely put in Looney, Saric or TJD over Cory Joseph and a three PG lineup when LeBron and AD are hunting a quick bucket. It's a no brainer.

What Kerr did is the equivalent of playing Green, TJD & Looney together when you need a 3 pointer to tie.
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Post#368 » by Romulus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:25 am

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whatisacenter wrote:
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Who do you play other than Corey Joseph when you need to stop LeBron? Anyone.

A big, physical team that gets every call needs one bucket and the Warriors go with their three smallest players. Guess what happened?



Wiggins and Klay had fouled out. You are not going to go with Looney, Saric or TJD on that play.


You absolutely put in Looney, Saric or TJD over Cory Joseph and a three PG lineup when LeBron and AD are hunting a quick bucket. It's a no brainer.

What Kerr did is the equivalent of playing Green, TJD & Looney together when you need a 3 pointer to tie.


Yeah. You put in TJD or Looney. You make them MAKE a shot. It's just too easy to get a mismatch. And of course, they got that with Podz guarding Lebron. I just can't imagine another coach choosing 3 guards in that situation.
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Post#369 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:25 am

Onus wrote:Djm is small. Needs the ball in his hands to be effective and doesn’t really shoot. I don’t get his fit at all.

Djm is not switching onto Luka/Lebron etc and he’s not a great off ball defender.

Now if you’re saying we’re trading him for Klay then yes. Anything to remove that option from Kerr.


39% 3pt shooter on high volume this year

6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan.. compared to Wiggins at 6'9/7'0 who is our primary guy guarding those types. Actually, for LeBron it would be Kuminga or Dray depending on situation, but if those teams were to hunt someone else on the court, it wouldnt be Murray.

Excellent man defender, elite rebounder for his position (call it either guard, doesnt matter), over the past 4 years has one of the highest percentiles for tipped passes, turns it over rarely for a PG.. no idea why you're digging in so hard against Murray who addresses a lot of problems and is cost controlled over the next 3 seasons
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Post#370 » by wco81 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:34 am

DJM may or may not make the Warriors significantly better.

His current team actually has a worse record than the Warriors.

Let's not pretend that it would be a slam dunk.
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Post#371 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:38 am

wco81 wrote:DJM may or may not make the Warriors significantly better.

His current team actually has a worse record than the Warriors.

Let's not pretend that it would be a slam dunk.


Trae is overrated and that Hawks team lacks talent.

Replace djm for klay on this squad, we'd be miles better.
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Post#372 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:42 am

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Wiggins and Klay had fouled out. You are not going to go with Looney, Saric or TJD on that play.


You absolutely put in Looney, Saric or TJD over Cory Joseph and a three PG lineup when LeBron and AD are hunting a quick bucket. It's a no brainer.

What Kerr did is the equivalent of playing Green, TJD & Looney together when you need a 3 pointer to tie.


Yeah. You put in TJD or Looney. You make them MAKE a shot. It's just too easy to get a mismatch. And of course, they got that with Podz guarding Lebron. I just can't imagine another coach choosing 3 guards in that situation.



What's hard is that they got the Lakers to call a timeout. They showed their hand and then made zero changes afterwards. Of course they are going to draw up play to get Kuminga off of LeBron. All AD had to do was stay out of the way and stand still to take Green out of the play.

Imagine that play if they had TJD on AD, Green on LeBron, Kuminga on Vanderbilt, Podz on Russel and Curry on Reaves.

Instead of Podz on LeBron you end up with Kuminga on LeBron. Instead of LeBron splitting Kuminga and Podz you have him trying to split Kuminga and Green. Instead of Green trying to block the shot at the end you have our best shot blocker in TJD.

Kerr showed them a 3 PG lineup. They called timeout and of course they drew up a play to expose it. What were they expecting?
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Post#374 » by Romulus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:51 am

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
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You absolutely put in Looney, Saric or TJD over Cory Joseph and a three PG lineup when LeBron and AD are hunting a quick bucket. It's a no brainer.

What Kerr did is the equivalent of playing Green, TJD & Looney together when you need a 3 pointer to tie.


Yeah. You put in TJD or Looney. You make them MAKE a shot. It's just too easy to get a mismatch. And of course, they got that with Podz guarding Lebron. I just can't imagine another coach choosing 3 guards in that situation.



What's hard is that they got the Lakers to call a timeout. They showed their hand and then made zero changes afterwards. Of course they are going to draw up play to get Kuminga off of LeBron. All AD had to do was stay out of the way and stand still to take Green out of the play.

Imagine that play if they had TJD on AD, Green on LeBron, Kuminga on Vanderbilt, Podz on Russel and Curry on Reaves.

Instead of Podz on LeBron you end up with Kuminga on LeBron. Instead of LeBron splitting Kuminga and Podz you have him trying to split Kuminga and Green. Instead of Green trying to block the shot at the end you have our best shot blocker in TJD.

Kerr showed them a 3 PG lineup. They called timeout and of course they drew up a play to expose it. What were they expecting?


Thanks for breaking it down. Kerr just made it way too easy for them. He now isn't just running 3 guard lineups for offense -- he's literally doing it with the game on the line, the last possession, up by 1, and playing defense. What other coach would do this? In fact, I think a lot of coaches would be fired immediately for such a poor decision.
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Post#375 » by Romulus » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:55 am

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wco81 wrote:DJM may or may not make the Warriors significantly better.

His current team actually has a worse record than the Warriors.

Let's not pretend that it would be a slam dunk.


Trae is overrated and that Hawks team lacks talent.

Replace djm for klay on this squad, we'd be miles better.


No doubt. Murray slashes, drives and is a big guard. He would help create shots for others and really take some of that burden away from Steph. Problem though if you get him, you really shouldn't keep Klay and it seems like this FO just won't let go of the past.

We saw it tonight. Klay was totally exposed on defense, was cold for much of the game and got hot for a bit in the second half. He could be helpful if used correctly. However, with Kerr, Klay will always get the benefit of the doubt and be given minutes that actually hurt the team.
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Post#376 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:00 am

Also checked out DJM's game more in depth recently.. the off-ball stuff is severely overstated. That team is a defensive mess.. that said, he's highly susceptible to backdoor plays, which can be really exploited in the Warriors current system. But you don't have an extremely high tip% if you're a bad off-ball defender, and he does have that
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Post#377 » by cdubbz » Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:16 am

HiRez wrote:They only need to win about 75% of their remaining games to get the 6 seed, they got this.


Let's dial it down and aim to win 30% of remaining games! What does that get us :lol:
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Post#378 » by HiRez » Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:19 am

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HiRez wrote:They only need to win about 75% of their remaining games to get the 6 seed, they got this.

Let's dial it down and aim to win 30% of remaining games! What does that get us :lol:

Nothing, but it gets Portland a #7 pick.
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Post#379 » by ShayDee » Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:23 am

CDM_Stats wrote:Also checked out DJM's game more in depth recently.. the off-ball stuff is severely overstated. That team is a defensive mess.. that said, he's highly susceptible to backdoor plays, which can be really exploited in the Warriors current system. But you don't have an extremely high tip% if you're a bad off-ball defender, and he does have that


How does he have only 1 more steal and 4 more blocks than Trae Young despite playing 5 more games and over 100 more minutes. What does he even really do on defense when his main role they traded him for was for defense and the team is somehow worse than last year even when Trae has improved?
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Post#380 » by superunknown » Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:24 am

Romulus wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
wco81 wrote:DJM may or may not make the Warriors significantly better.

His current team actually has a worse record than the Warriors.

Let's not pretend that it would be a slam dunk.


Trae is overrated and that Hawks team lacks talent.

Replace djm for klay on this squad, we'd be miles better.


No doubt. Murray slashes, drives and is a big guard. He would help create shots for others and really take some of that burden away from Steph. Problem though if you get him, you really shouldn't keep Klay and it seems like this FO just won't let go of the past.

We saw it tonight. Klay was totally exposed on defense, was cold for much of the game and got hot for a bit in the second half. He could be helpful if used correctly. However, with Kerr, Klay will always get the benefit of the doubt and be given minutes that actually hurt the team.


what benefit of the doubt?
I mean, you get a benefit of the doubt if at some point you show that benefit. he hasn't all season long. there should be no doubt any longer, he's done as key guy. reduce his role, reduce his minutes, if he's willing to sign a cheap extension in the summer you might think to keep him, otherwise trade him at the deadline.

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