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Re: Kuminga Sounds Off 

Post#61 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:03 pm

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B-King wrote:The minutes at forward only get worse when Draymond gets back. We need to just remove some of the congestion. What really sucks is no one has any significant value and we will be selling at pennies on the dollar. Whether it is karma or payback from other teams, the light years ahead comment is kicking our ass.


I think Podz has some value teams would be interested in.

Hell no you don't trade Podz.
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Re: Kuminga Sounds Off 

Post#62 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:05 pm

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The hate for Bob is funny.

Bob sucked at drafting. He was a better therapist than GM


And that’s why it’s funny….MJD was running the draft for the Warriors who operate on consensus since the Poole draft. But yeah, it’s all on Bob.

IDK, seems funny that the Warriors didn't have a good draft since Jerry West left, and the minute Bob leaves they hit it out of the park?
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Post#63 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:07 pm

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Romulus wrote:Since I’ve been here, we don’t have just five guys that we know that they’re supposed to be on the floor whenever it’s closing time”

That's because there are not five guys who have differentiated themselves as head and shoulders above the rest. If you were playing better Kuminga, Kerr wouldn't be able to take you off the court.

Except Kerr has done exactly that. JK played very well last night and was benched, same thing with Moody during that 4th quarter vs OKC? or whoever it was.

I don't think he was playing that great. Was he guarding anyone?
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Post#64 » by Onus » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:07 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Just trade jk and cp3 for siakam and get it over with.

If kerr continues to botch rotations, jk will just continue to take it to the media and get benched even further. And he'll come off as a malcontent.

Cp3 has been good, but kerr can't help playing him in situations he shouldn't. I mean cp3 for defense? Save kerr from himself.


And then Siakam bails in the offseason because the FO don't pay him the max and warriors don't make it out of the first round

fine then we reset without losing any draft capital and we don't re-sign klay and we're no longer in cap hell.
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Post#65 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:08 pm

And all of this could have been prevented if kerr didn't love his 3 and 4 guard line ups.

Teams go big, kerr goes smaller.
Teams go small. Kerr goes small, slow, and old.
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Post#66 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:10 pm

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Twinkie defense wrote:He should ask Jordan Poole how things are going...


The warriors are 2 games under .500, in the lottery, without their own pick unless they jump to top 4. They are not doing any better

Kuminga's complaints don't have to do with the team's record, they have to do with his own role on the team. So again I would ask how did leaving the Warriors help Poole's game?
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Post#67 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:13 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Kerr trusts Podz. He seems to trust TJD. I guess he just doesn't trust Kuminga fully. Clearly doesn't trust Moody at all anymore.

I think Kerr would like to play Moody more, believes Moody deserves more time, but there are too many guys in his spot who bring more to the team right now.

Moody improved this season, only to find two new guys (Podz and CP3) leap him in the rotation. Plus GPII, when he's available...

But CP shouldn't lap in rotation. Moody should be played at SG, with CP on limited minutes as a backup PG with very rarely matching minutes with Steph. Unfortuantely Kerr has other, more brilliant ideas.

Meh this idea of shooting guards and point guards is outdated. Which is Steph? All these guys are interchangeable in their role on the court - some just do it better than others.
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Post#68 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:17 pm

Regarding how Kerr (or the team more generally) will deal with Kuminga's unhappiness: They will empathize and explain to him why things are the way they are. They are not gonna guarantee a defined role for Kuminga just because he's whining again. However they will probably try to make a move or moves to clear up some of the backlog and redundancy. Which they would do regardless of Kuminga's complaints. And that might mean Kuminga goes, or it might mean Kuminga stays and Wiggins goes. Or maybe they both go and we bring in a real starter-quality SF. Depends on what trade options are available - Warriors certainly aren't gonna make themselves worse off in order to make Kuminga happy.
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Post#69 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:18 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:And all of this could have been prevented if kerr didn't love his 3 and 4 guard line ups.

Teams go big, kerr goes smaller.
Teams go small. Kerr goes small, slow, and old.

Our smaller players are better than our bigger players. Seems like you wanna play the best players, no?
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Post#70 » by Jester_ » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:26 pm

After 5 long, hard years, it appears the public has finally, finally turned on the Steven the fraud

What a bittersweet moment
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Post#71 » by ShayDee » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:32 pm

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Twinkie defense wrote:He should ask Jordan Poole how things are going...


The warriors are 2 games under .500, in the lottery, without their own pick unless they jump to top 4. They are not doing any better

Kuminga's complaints don't have to do with the team's record, they have to do with his own role on the team. So again I would ask how did leaving the Warriors help Poole's game?


This case is almost different. It's not like Poole came out publicly demanding Kerr to play him or give clarity about his role or trade him, not like Poole didn't want to be here or was doing whatever the coach asked him to do(he didn't do much) and it's not like Poole didn't already get paid.

They traded Poole because he sucked, was expensive and was apparently causing chemistry issues? Kuminga is playing well. They ask him to defend he does it even if it's not perfect, ask him to rebound, at least he is actively putting effort when he is not on the perimeter guarding players, they ask him to pass, he has improved in that aspect, but is being benched or getting inconsistent minutes in games for some reason that he doesn't understand or the coaches are not telling him why after doing everything they are telling him and being one of the only offensive options on the team?

It's not like he is playing like ****/not improving and then coming out challenging the coach as to why he is getting inconsistent minutes, he is just really confused right now and then his agent is probably letting all this get out because maybe it's going to affect his payday and they think he is better than he looks but teams may not see that
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Post#72 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:38 pm

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The warriors are 2 games under .500, in the lottery, without their own pick unless they jump to top 4. They are not doing any better

Kuminga's complaints don't have to do with the team's record, they have to do with his own role on the team. So again I would ask how did leaving the Warriors help Poole's game?


This case is almost different. It's not like Poole came out publicly demanding Kerr to play him or give clarity about his role or trade him, not like Poole didn't want to be here or was doing whatever the coach asked him to do(he didn't do much) and it's not like Poole didn't already get paid.

They traded Poole because he sucked, was expensive and was apparently causing chemistry issues? Kuminga is playing well. They ask him to defend he does it even if it's not perfect, ask him to rebound, at least he is actively putting effort when he is not on the perimeter guarding players, they ask him to pass, he has improved in that aspect, but is being benched or getting inconsistent minutes in games for some reason that he doesn't understand or the coaches are not telling him why after doing everything they are telling him and being one of the only offensive options on the team?

It's not like he is playing like ****/not improving and then coming out challenging the coach as to why he is getting inconsistent minutes, he is just really confused right now and then his agent is probably letting all this get out because maybe it's going to affect his payday and they think he is better than he looks but teams may not see that


Actually one of the reasons poole got traded was because he created lockeroom issues because he believed he deserved to start over klay and wanted a bigger role. Only difference is that that was kept behind closed doors.
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Post#73 » by EvanZ » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:39 pm

The Warriors were down 85-84 when they took Kuminga out of the game. To close the third quarter, the group that included Wiggins and didn’t include Kuminga helped build a 13-point lead that grew into an 18-point lead with six minutes left in the fourth. Kerr never went back to Kuminga and the Warriors went on to blow that lead, the fourth time this season they’ve let at least an 18-point cushion turn into a loss.


It seems to me Kerr stuck with the guy who helped build the lead. We probably aren't even talking about Kuminga if literally one thing had gone right in the last 4 minutes.
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Post#74 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:45 pm

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The Warriors were down 85-84 when they took Kuminga out of the game. To close the third quarter, the group that included Wiggins and didn’t include Kuminga helped build a 13-point lead that grew into an 18-point lead with six minutes left in the fourth. Kerr never went back to Kuminga and the Warriors went on to blow that lead, the fourth time this season they’ve let at least an 18-point cushion turn into a loss.


It seems to me Kerr stuck with the guy who helped build the lead. We probably aren't even talking about Kuminga if literally one thing had gone right in the last 4 minutes.


Yes.

But he didn't stick with the guys that got the lead.

Klay came and started the 4th and played the entire 4th.
Cp3 came in for podz. Not to be seen again.
Saric came in for wiggins. He returned for the final minute or 2.
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Post#75 » by Romulus » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:45 pm

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Post#76 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:47 pm

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Post#77 » by eminence » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:52 pm

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Onus wrote:The Warriors culture is one of entitlement, nepotism. It's not about winning

Then why are Podz and Trayce getting so much playing time?

Kuminga has been pretty good, but not great. He is not clearly head and shoulders above Wiggins, and that's when Wiggins has been having a down season. He does offer a level of athleticism that few other Warriors players offer, but that is something you need against some teams, but not others (like Denver) - which is a logical explanation as to why Kuminga plays more at some times than at others.

Moody is not better than Podz, CP3, GPII or Klay.

The Warriors problem is not nepotism, they're just deep with borderline starting players. They need to package up some of these borderline guys for a real starter-quality player or to clear the way for a marginal starter like to Kuminga to get more PT as a way to develop him.

Playing Wiggins (or whoever) at times over Kuminga is not nepotism - guaranteeing Kuminga a high-profile role when he has not earned it is nepotism.


That's generally how I see it for y'all.

Steph is still Steph (slightly lesser), but with Dray out there's just not really anybody else who should be playing clear starters minutes right now (Klay getting such big minutes is a hint of 'nepotism', but not more than you see on most any team). Lots of decent not great players though.

Consolidation move seems pretty reasonable.
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Post#78 » by EvanZ » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:55 pm

Like Kuminga for Okongwu? That doesn't really move the needle.

Maybe Kuminga and CP3 for Dejounte and Okongwu....
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Post#79 » by Twinkie defense » Fri Jan 5, 2024 8:56 pm

The Warriors were down 85-84 when they took Kuminga out of the game. To close the third quarter, the group that included Wiggins and didn’t include Kuminga helped build a 13-point lead that grew into an 18-point lead with six minutes left in the fourth.
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Post#80 » by BayAreaDub » Fri Jan 5, 2024 9:00 pm

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The Warriors were down 85-84 when they took Kuminga out of the game. To close the third quarter, the group that included Wiggins and didn’t include Kuminga helped build a 13-point lead that grew into an 18-point lead with six minutes left in the fourth.


Kerr can’t play both bc of Klay

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