Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

[azwfan]

I know there are new rules that make the Dubs ineligible to sign certain waived players. So, who among all these guys who have been waived can the Dubs sign?

I think it's anybody who makes 12m or more are players that teams like the Warriors can't sign .

Can't sign:

Spencer Dinwiddie
Kyle Lowry
Joe Harris
Davis Bertans
Marcus Morris

Can sign:

James Bouknight
Killian Hayes
Harry Giles
Danilo Gallinari
Robin Lopez
Furkan Korkmaz
Thaddeus Young
Jordan Goodwin
Danuel House
VIctor Oladipo

Not sure who is healthy or even good, but do recall folks wanting thad and house not long ago.

Knowing nothing, id probably go Killian. The only guy id def stay away from is Bouknight due to alcohol issue.

[wco81]

Killian Hayes waived. So guess Wiseman is better than he is.

Can he be tried out as a defensive specialist? Shooting is bad but he had some decent assist numbers.

But as a #7 pick he was probably earning more than CoJo was on vet minimum and they moved him mainly for salary cap relief.

Once he ckears waivers he can be signed for the minimum, which would be prorated for the rest of the season. I havent seen much of him to say whether or not thats a better use of the roster spot over Q. Honestly, havent seen mich of Q either haha.

Well Hayes has been playing way more minutes than Q and Q shoots better but very limited sample set.

But I would think Hayes has a much superior athletic profile. I don’t know if he’s been a great defender though. If he has been, Pistons might have signed him to a modest extension.

Even if Warriors have the chance to sign Hayes and judge him to be more likely to contribute, they probably sign Q out of loyalty and for “being a good teammate.”

[donkeylips]

is it too late to sign someone to a two way contract?

[xdrta+]

is it too late to sign someone to a two way contract?

March 4 is the deadline.

[CDM_Stats]

Killian Hayes waived. So guess Wiseman is better than he is.

Can he be tried out as a defensive specialist? Shooting is bad but he had some decent assist numbers.

But as a #7 pick he was probably earning more than CoJo was on vet minimum and they moved him mainly for salary cap relief.

Once he ckears waivers he can be signed for the minimum, which would be prorated for the rest of the season. I havent seen much of him to say whether or not thats a better use of the roster spot over Q. Honestly, havent seen mich of Q either haha.

A perpetually rebuilding team cut him, and not because he was tanking their draft position.. I dont know much about him either but that's the headline I'd have a hard time getting over

There's no amount of cap savings/justification on the Pistons side where I'd be like "Ok, that makes sense, I guess we should try him out"

[azwfan]

Can he be tried out as a defensive specialist? Shooting is bad but he had some decent assist numbers.

But as a #7 pick he was probably earning more than CoJo was on vet minimum and they moved him mainly for salary cap relief.

Once he ckears waivers he can be signed for the minimum, which would be prorated for the rest of the season. I havent seen much of him to say whether or not thats a better use of the roster spot over Q. Honestly, havent seen mich of Q either haha.

A perpetually rebuilding team cut him, and not because he was tanking their draft position.. I dont know much about him either but that's the headline I'd have a hard time getting over

There's no amount of cap savings/justification on the Pistons side where I'd be like "Ok, that makes sense, I guess we should try him out"

I see the logic in your thinking, and i know little about how well he has played, so im not all in on Killian at all but to refute your argument…

The wolves gave us a lottery pick to swap Wiggins and Dlo.

GP2 couldnt catch on with any team before he was an integral part of our title team.

So dont think “another team gave up on him” is a compelling reason to not try him out.

He was a mid lottery pick a few years ago, no issue giving players like that a whirl. If they stink theres litterally no loss.

[CDM_Stats]

Once he ckears waivers he can be signed for the minimum, which would be prorated for the rest of the season. I havent seen much of him to say whether or not thats a better use of the roster spot over Q. Honestly, havent seen mich of Q either haha.

A perpetually rebuilding team cut him, and not because he was tanking their draft position.. I dont know much about him either but that's the headline I'd have a hard time getting over

There's no amount of cap savings/justification on the Pistons side where I'd be like "Ok, that makes sense, I guess we should try him out"

I see the logic in your thinking, and i know little about how well he has played, so im not all in on Killian at all but to refute your argument…

The wolves gave us a lottery pick to swap Wiggins and Dlo.

GP2 couldnt catch on with any team before he was an integral part of our title team.

So dont think “another team gave up on him” is a compelling reason to not try him out.

He was a mid lottery pick a few years ago, no issue giving players like that a whirl. If they stink theres litterally no loss.

Wiggins had a massive salary attached to him thus necessitating the trade to save money. Pistons saved no money here, they are a rudderless team trying out guys like James Wiseman for future roster spots

He's a guy who's not very good and needs development, which is an interesting case for Kerr. He needs development, so don't play him. But he's not very good, so he needs to play. Wouldnt even waste a roster spot on him.. although if it removes Jerome Robinson, that's like negative risk

And no other team wanted him, to the point where the Pistons just up and cut him. So its a lot more than one team gave up on him, no one was willing to take a borderline free flier on a guy whos only 22. If we're going to sift through that type of player, James Bouknight was also cut.. but we probably wouldnt want to go there either

[azwfan]

A perpetually rebuilding team cut him, and not because he was tanking their draft position.. I dont know much about him either but that's the headline I'd have a hard time getting over

There's no amount of cap savings/justification on the Pistons side where I'd be like "Ok, that makes sense, I guess we should try him out"

I see the logic in your thinking, and i know little about how well he has played, so im not all in on Killian at all but to refute your argument…

The wolves gave us a lottery pick to swap Wiggins and Dlo.

GP2 couldnt catch on with any team before he was an integral part of our title team.

So dont think “another team gave up on him” is a compelling reason to not try him out.

He was a mid lottery pick a few years ago, no issue giving players like that a whirl. If they stink theres litterally no loss.

Wiggins had a massive salary attached to him thus necessitating the trade to save money. Pistons saved no money here, they are a rudderless team trying out guys like James Wiseman for future roster spots

He's a guy who's not very good and needs development, which is an interesting case for Kerr. He needs development, so don't play him. But he's not very good, so he needs to play. Wouldnt even waste a roster spot on him.. although if it removes Jerome Robinson, that's like negative risk

And no other team wanted him, to the point where the Pistons just up and cut him. So its a lot more than one team gave up on him, no one was willing to take a borderline free flier on a guy whos only 22. If we're going to sift through that type of player, James Bouknight was also cut.. but we probably wouldnt want to go there either

You’re just arguing to argue here.
Im pretty sure you know Wiggins and Dlo had basically the same salary. Minnesota actually took on more money (the reason Evans and Spellman were included). There was little to no cost savings to Minnesota. But you knew this already.

Hayes had like a $7m salary cap number. And detroit needed to cut roster spots. So nobody was willing to give him a shot at $7m cap slot without sending any salary back. Tbd if anyone is willing to give him a shot at the minimum for less than half the season.

[CDM_Stats]

I see the logic in your thinking, and i know little about how well he has played, so im not all in on Killian at all but to refute your argument…

The wolves gave us a lottery pick to swap Wiggins and Dlo.

GP2 couldnt catch on with any team before he was an integral part of our title team.

So dont think “another team gave up on him” is a compelling reason to not try him out.

He was a mid lottery pick a few years ago, no issue giving players like that a whirl. If they stink theres litterally no loss.

Wiggins had a massive salary attached to him thus necessitating the trade to save money. Pistons saved no money here, they are a rudderless team trying out guys like James Wiseman for future roster spots

He's a guy who's not very good and needs development, which is an interesting case for Kerr. He needs development, so don't play him. But he's not very good, so he needs to play. Wouldnt even waste a roster spot on him.. although if it removes Jerome Robinson, that's like negative risk

And no other team wanted him, to the point where the Pistons just up and cut him. So its a lot more than one team gave up on him, no one was willing to take a borderline free flier on a guy whos only 22. If we're going to sift through that type of player, James Bouknight was also cut.. but we probably wouldnt want to go there either

You’re just arguing to argue here.
Im pretty sure you know Wiggins and Dlo had basically the same salary. Minnesota actually took on more money (the reason Evans and Spellman were included). There was little to no cost savings to Minnesota. But you knew this already.

Hayes had like a $7m salary cap number. And detroit needed to cut roster spots. So nobody was willing to give him a shot at $7m cap slot without sending any salary back. Tbd if anyone is willing to give him a shot at the minimum for less than half the season.

jfc youre telling me im arguing just to argue when trying to a sign a known bust that generated no interest, being cut from one of the worst teams in league history?

Ok forget money - value. The Wiggins trade recouped value for the Wolves, or at least the thought so. They got out from Wiggins' deal. They didnt cut him and just eat the negative value. They eat the negative value over players like Evan Fournier

Now you want to bring in that guy, an archetype that most teams in the league dont want at all, because we had one success story there, whos also already on the roster. No. Its just a bad idea. Poke minor holes in it all you want, but its not a good idea

[azwfan]

Wiggins had a massive salary attached to him thus necessitating the trade to save money. Pistons saved no money here, they are a rudderless team trying out guys like James Wiseman for future roster spots

He's a guy who's not very good and needs development, which is an interesting case for Kerr. He needs development, so don't play him. But he's not very good, so he needs to play. Wouldnt even waste a roster spot on him.. although if it removes Jerome Robinson, that's like negative risk

And no other team wanted him, to the point where the Pistons just up and cut him. So its a lot more than one team gave up on him, no one was willing to take a borderline free flier on a guy whos only 22. If we're going to sift through that type of player, James Bouknight was also cut.. but we probably wouldnt want to go there either

You’re just arguing to argue here.
Im pretty sure you know Wiggins and Dlo had basically the same salary. Minnesota actually took on more money (the reason Evans and Spellman were included). There was little to no cost savings to Minnesota. But you knew this already.

Hayes had like a $7m salary cap number. And detroit needed to cut roster spots. So nobody was willing to give him a shot at $7m cap slot without sending any salary back. Tbd if anyone is willing to give him a shot at the minimum for less than half the season.

jfc youre telling me im arguing just to argue when trying to a sign a known bust that generated no interest, being cut from one of the worst teams in league history?

Ok forget money - value. The Wiggins trade recouped value for the Wolves, or at least the thought so. They got out from Wiggins' deal. They didnt cut him and just eat the negative value. They eat the negative value over players like Evan Fournier

Now you want to bring in that guy, an archetype that most teams in the league dont want at all, because we had one success story there, whos also already on the roster. No. Its just a bad idea. Poke minor holes in it all you want, but its not a good idea

It appears that reading comprehension is a problem for you today. Reread what i wrote about Hayes initially, your first response, and my response to that. Im not disagreeing about Hayes (i already said I dont know if hes any good) Im disagreeing with your reasoning that because another team - a bad team - gave him up, that we shouldnt kick the tires.
I gave a really good example as to why, and now your arguing about some other trade and archetypes instead of just realising your initial reasoning wasnt as brilliant as you thought it was.
Arging just to argue.

[CDM_Stats]

You’re just arguing to argue here.
Im pretty sure you know Wiggins and Dlo had basically the same salary. Minnesota actually took on more money (the reason Evans and Spellman were included). There was little to no cost savings to Minnesota. But you knew this already.

Hayes had like a $7m salary cap number. And detroit needed to cut roster spots. So nobody was willing to give him a shot at $7m cap slot without sending any salary back. Tbd if anyone is willing to give him a shot at the minimum for less than half the season.

jfc youre telling me im arguing just to argue when trying to a sign a known bust that generated no interest, being cut from one of the worst teams in league history?

Ok forget money - value. The Wiggins trade recouped value for the Wolves, or at least the thought so. They got out from Wiggins' deal. They didnt cut him and just eat the negative value. They eat the negative value over players like Evan Fournier

Now you want to bring in that guy, an archetype that most teams in the league dont want at all, because we had one success story there, whos also already on the roster. No. Its just a bad idea. Poke minor holes in it all you want, but its not a good idea

It appears that reading comprehension is a problem for you today. Reread what i wrote about Hayes initially, your first response, and my response to that. Im not disagreeing about Hayes (i already said I dont know if hes any good) Im disagreeing with your reasoning that because another team - a bad team - gave him up, that we shouldnt kick the tires.
I gave a really good example as to why, and now your arguing about some other trade and archetypes instead of just realising your initial reasoning wasnt as brilliant as you thought it was.
Arging just to argue.

Its my fault for assuming logic was going to be used I guess. There's plenty of arguments, I gave one of them, plenty for a scrub, you for some reason assume its the only reason. Given a lot more now. And you brought up the trade, so...

lol man what a waste of time... post and subject. Bad idea is a bad idea, justify it how you want

[azwfan]

jfc youre telling me im arguing just to argue when trying to a sign a known bust that generated no interest, being cut from one of the worst teams in league history?

Ok forget money - value. The Wiggins trade recouped value for the Wolves, or at least the thought so. They got out from Wiggins' deal. They didnt cut him and just eat the negative value. They eat the negative value over players like Evan Fournier

Now you want to bring in that guy, an archetype that most teams in the league dont want at all, because we had one success story there, whos also already on the roster. No. Its just a bad idea. Poke minor holes in it all you want, but its not a good idea

It appears that reading comprehension is a problem for you today. Reread what i wrote about Hayes initially, your first response, and my response to that. Im not disagreeing about Hayes (i already said I dont know if hes any good) Im disagreeing with your reasoning that because another team - a bad team - gave him up, that we shouldnt kick the tires.
I gave a really good example as to why, and now your arguing about some other trade and archetypes instead of just realising your initial reasoning wasnt as brilliant as you thought it was.
Arging just to argue.

Its my fault for assuming logic was going to be used I guess. There's plenty of arguments, I gave one of them, plenty for a scrub, you for some reason assume its the only reason. Given a lot more now. And you brought up the trade, so...

lol man what a waste of time... post and subject. Bad idea is a bad idea, justify it how you want

Yup, you wasted a lot of time protecting the ol ego. Mission accomplished I hope.

[wco81]

Hayes would be an end of bench player.

So he doesn’t have to be like #8 player. Just a shot to take as opposed to giving Quinones a guaranteed deal for the rest of the season.

Now if he overperforms, then it would be good. Supposedly he wanted to be released, take his chances elsewhere.

[cdubbz]

Hayes would be an end of bench player.

So he doesn’t have to be like #8 player. Just a shot to take as opposed to giving Quinones a guaranteed deal for the rest of the season.

Now if he overperforms, then it would be good. Supposedly he wanted to be released, take his chances elsewhere.

Only watched him when he torched the Warriors from three, but I wonder if he wants a bigger role and more minutes or just a chance to develop on a winning team.

[CDM_Stats]

Isaiah Stewart punches Drew Eubanks in the tunnel... between this, Nurkic and Ayton, have to ask - are Suns' Cs the most punchable people in the league?

[Coxy]

Isaiah Stewart punches Drew Eubanks in the tunnel... between this, Nurkic and Ayton, have to ask - are Suns' Cs the most punchable people in the league?

Let's not forget Grayson Allen.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Jk or Wiggins need to be pushed to enter the dunk contest year for the home crowd.

[DevinVassell]

Note to Silver: Hurry up and finish your shameful rubbish all-star weekend.

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[cdubbz]

- A distance shooting competition. Each round the shot attempt gets further and further. Free throw, NBA 3-pointer, 4 feet back, 8 feet back, half court, etc.

- 2-ball needs to be re-introduced into All-Star Friday or Saturday. It's such a fun game to watch that requires skill & strategy.

- Take away the dunk contest until we get players who complain to have it back because they want to compete.

- I think the media can do what the media does and just crap on the All-Star game until the next generation takes it serious.

[CDM_Stats]

Rock ' N ' Jock

The ASG will never be a spectacle again because fans now have unfettered access to whoever they want to see whenever they want to see it, which back in the CRT days of television, was a huge deal. Now we've seen every dunk, seen every player in HD multiple times, so there's nothing unique or special about the game. And this goes for all major sports

Make it a spectacle by making it similar to basketball but not the same. Rock n Jock was the peak of that.. dont even have to have celebs, could be all NBA players with 25pt shots, hotspots worth like 7-9 points, multipliers and all that. And hell, it doesnt even need to be all stars. Make it guys who ARENT starters so they play hard. Bring in the stars to be judges and vibe in Vegas for a weekend, doing PR and promos