is Klay done?

[Jax_23]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

Eh, not really. On here, we rail against him for his poor shot selection, terrible off-ball defense, and historically bad rebounding. If he was just missing open shots I don't think we'd hold it against him too much.

[jozef]

For his poor shot selection this season ranks at #7 of his 11 seasons in TS%. His historically bad rebounding is still above his career average in rebs per 36 mins.

[KevinMcreynolds]

We're all watching, it's painfully obvious his shot selection is at an all-time low and he's shooting us out of games singlehandedly. His rebounding is only up since Kerr's terrible smallball lineups essentially require Klay to play the 3 or 4. His rebound % is straight doo doo.

[Impuniti]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

Absolutely not. What is annoying is fans that are content with a player to tank his entire team throughout several seasons because he was great before. Quite possibly one of the most pathetic mentalities I've seen for a fandom.. ever.


Unless you have trouble reading, the complete opposite is true of the nonsense you're spouting. Outside of off ball movement and sometimes good 3P shooting, he's a negative to colossal negative in every other aspect of the game. Lazy defending, no boxouts, bad rebounding, poor playmaking, shooting the team out of games, whining/pouting like a baby, lacking athleticism which is highlighted even more in Steph, CP3, Saric lineup situations, among other things.

[michaelm]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

Everyone on here was a major Klay fan in his pomp, and hopefully will be in his retirement, certainly I will be.

He has had over 2 full seasons worth of games since his return from his injuries however, and has fairly conclusively demonstrated he can’t play high minutes in his old role, or possibly play his old role at all. That is what everyone is on about, and admittedly on a sample size of one having him as a scorer/6th man off the bench might be a better fit with his current attributes.

[wco81]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

Everyone on here was a major Klay fan in his pomp, and hopefully will be in his retirement, certainly I will be.

He had had over 2 full seasons worth of games since his return from his injuries, and has fairly conclusively demonstrated he can’t play high minutes in his old role, or possibly play his old role at all. That is what everyone is on about, and admittedly on a sample size of one having him as a scorer/6th man off the bench might be a better fit with his current attributes.

His first season back from injury he played 29 games, shot below his career averages for FG and 3P percentages.

Then he played 22 playoffs games that season, again shot below career averages, had a couple of big games and helped the team win their 4th title.

His second season after injury, which was last season, he played 69 games and shot at his career 3P average on the highest volume of 3PA in his career. He and Poole carried the team into the playoffs from mid December until around early Feb of 2023 when Curry was out. This is when the Klay haters came out BTW, as this thread started last season.

But he had his worst playoff run since the 2016-2017 season, the year they won their first title with KD, in terms of scoring and shooting percentage, though much higher shot volume. He especially struggled vs. the Lakers.

This season is so far his lowest FG and 3P percentage of his career, around the same as the 2021-2022 season.


His best two regular seasons were 2016-17 and 2017-18, or the two seasons with KD when the team won rings.

His two best playoff runs were in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons, the last two seasons KD was with the team. But in 2018-19, KD missed most of the playoffs due to his injury.

At his best, he hunted shots, including many contested shots.

These include the 37-point quarter game vs. Sacto, Game 6 vs. OKC and the Toronto series until he got injured.

His best game post-injuries was last January, 54 points vs. Hawks on 21-39 shooting, including 10-21 from 3. Again Curry was injured in January 2023.

Legler said of Thompson that he has a high launch platform so he was capable of these explosions, even when shooting against contest.

So he’s always hunted shots especially in his best games. But now when they’re not falling, he’s low BBIQ and washed.

It’s always been his role with the team though, space the floor and force teams to close out hard against him. He doesn’t have the gravity that Curry has but when it’s falling for him it forces teams to compromise their defenses.

I have to believe that he’s still physically capable, at least as capable as he was last season, of getting off his shot against aggressive contest of the offensive actions which the Warriors run.

If he no longer could jump or had the release he had as of last year, he wouldn’t be getting the same number of touches. His FGA is the same as last season and his 3PA is higher than last year, in fact the highest of his career.

His teammates, including Curry and Green, are still feeding him, trying to get him going.

Doesn’t mean he isn’t taking bad shots. All players do, though Klay is probably pressing more.

But again, when defenses trap Curry and force the ball to another player to take a big shot, whose 3P jumper do you trust the most after Curry on the Warriors?

Even the haters would have to say Klay’s if they’re being honest.

[watch1958]

One unresolved issue with Klay is his avoidance of 2 point FG. Before his injury, Klay always had more 2 attempts in a season than 3s. Since the injury, always more 3FGA.

[michaelm]

Here's how 90% of Warrior fans think (it's 100x worse on reddit):

Klay makes a shot = Yay he's good!!

Klay misses a shot = Boo he's bad!!

Good lord. Dudes a 4 time champion, get off his nutz. He's earned a long leash. Is he above criticism? No. But let's not pretend he just forgot how to play basketball and has zero value. He's still a lethal shooter when he takes good shots.

Everyone on here was a major Klay fan in his pomp, and hopefully will be in his retirement, certainly I will be.

He had had over 2 full seasons worth of games since his return from his injuries, and has fairly conclusively demonstrated he can’t play high minutes in his old role, or possibly play his old role at all. That is what everyone is on about, and admittedly on a sample size of one having him as a scorer/6th man off the bench might be a better fit with his current attributes.

His first season back from injury he played 29 games, shot below his career averages for FG and 3P percentages.

Then he played 22 playoffs games that season, again shot below career averages, had a couple of big games and helped the team win their 4th title.

His second season after injury, which was last season, he played 69 games and shot at his career 3P average on the highest volume of 3PA in his career. He and Poole carried the team into the playoffs from mid December until around early Feb of 2023 when Curry was out. This is when the Klay haters came out BTW, as this thread started last season.

But he had his worst playoff run since the 2016-2017 season, the year they won their first title with KD, in terms of scoring and shooting percentage, though much higher shot volume. He especially struggled vs. the Lakers.

This season is so far his lowest FG and 3P percentage of his career, around the same as the 2021-2022 season.


His best two regular seasons were 2016-17 and 2017-18, or the two seasons with KD when the team won rings.

His two best playoff runs were in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons, the last two seasons KD was with the team. But in 2018-19, KD missed most of the playoffs due to his injury.

At his best, he hunted shots, including many contested shots.

These include the 37-point quarter game vs. Sacto, Game 6 vs. OKC and the Toronto series until he got injured.

His best game post-injuries was last January, 54 points vs. Hawks on 21-39 shooting, including 10-21 from 3. Again Curry was injured in January 2023.

Legler said of Thompson that he has a high launch platform so he was capable of these explosions, even when shooting against contest.

So he’s always hunted shots especially in his best games. But now when they’re not falling, he’s low BBIQ and washed.

It’s always been his role with the team though, space the floor and force teams to close out hard against him. He doesn’t have the gravity that Curry has but when it’s falling for him it forces teams to compromise their defenses.

I have to believe that he’s still physically capable, at least as capable as he was last season, of getting off his shot against aggressive contest of the offensive actions which the Warriors run.

If he no longer could jump or had the release he had as of last year, he wouldn’t be getting the same number of touches. His FGA is the same as last season and his 3PA is higher than last year, in fact the highest of his career.

His teammates, including Curry and Green, are still feeding him, trying to get him going.

Doesn’t mean he isn’t taking bad shots. All players do, though Klay is probably pressing more.

But again, when defenses trap Curry and force the ball to another player to take a big shot, whose 3P jumper do you trust the most after Curry on the Warriors?

Even the haters would have to say Klay’s if they’re being honest.

Sure, no one is saying he can no longer shoot, which is why I want him as 6th man of the bench playing fewer minutes so he doesn’t get tired, extending those minutes if his shot is on. Even offensively he can’t get to where he wants as he could previously, and seems to be trying things like dribbling more than he did in his pomp to compensate for what he can no longer do because of his physical limitations. What he definitely can’t do is take the opposition’s best guard so Curry doesn’t have to do so, and currently imo he and Curry starting together means a compromised defense at the start of games. He defended OK in the finals in 2022, maybe he could deliver better on the defensive end playing less minutes or prioritising particular play-off games, but no way imo can he play both offensively and defensively for 35 minutes as he did prior to his injuries when he was an absolute iron man.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Everyone on here was a major Klay fan in his pomp, and hopefully will be in his retirement, certainly I will be.

He had had over 2 full seasons worth of games since his return from his injuries, and has fairly conclusively demonstrated he can’t play high minutes in his old role, or possibly play his old role at all. That is what everyone is on about, and admittedly on a sample size of one having him as a scorer/6th man off the bench might be a better fit with his current attributes.

His first season back from injury he played 29 games, shot below his career averages for FG and 3P percentages.

Then he played 22 playoffs games that season, again shot below career averages, had a couple of big games and helped the team win their 4th title.

His second season after injury, which was last season, he played 69 games and shot at his career 3P average on the highest volume of 3PA in his career. He and Poole carried the team into the playoffs from mid December until around early Feb of 2023 when Curry was out. This is when the Klay haters came out BTW, as this thread started last season.

But he had his worst playoff run since the 2016-2017 season, the year they won their first title with KD, in terms of scoring and shooting percentage, though much higher shot volume. He especially struggled vs. the Lakers.

This season is so far his lowest FG and 3P percentage of his career, around the same as the 2021-2022 season.


His best two regular seasons were 2016-17 and 2017-18, or the two seasons with KD when the team won rings.

His two best playoff runs were in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons, the last two seasons KD was with the team. But in 2018-19, KD missed most of the playoffs due to his injury.

At his best, he hunted shots, including many contested shots.

These include the 37-point quarter game vs. Sacto, Game 6 vs. OKC and the Toronto series until he got injured.

His best game post-injuries was last January, 54 points vs. Hawks on 21-39 shooting, including 10-21 from 3. Again Curry was injured in January 2023.

Legler said of Thompson that he has a high launch platform so he was capable of these explosions, even when shooting against contest.

So he’s always hunted shots especially in his best games. But now when they’re not falling, he’s low BBIQ and washed.

It’s always been his role with the team though, space the floor and force teams to close out hard against him. He doesn’t have the gravity that Curry has but when it’s falling for him it forces teams to compromise their defenses.

I have to believe that he’s still physically capable, at least as capable as he was last season, of getting off his shot against aggressive contest of the offensive actions which the Warriors run.

If he no longer could jump or had the release he had as of last year, he wouldn’t be getting the same number of touches. His FGA is the same as last season and his 3PA is higher than last year, in fact the highest of his career.

His teammates, including Curry and Green, are still feeding him, trying to get him going.

Doesn’t mean he isn’t taking bad shots. All players do, though Klay is probably pressing more.

But again, when defenses trap Curry and force the ball to another player to take a big shot, whose 3P jumper do you trust the most after Curry on the Warriors?

Even the haters would have to say Klay’s if they’re being honest.

Sure, no one is saying he can no longer shoot, which is why I want him as 6th man of the bench playing fewer minutes so he doesn’t get tired, extending those minutes if his shot is on. Even offensively he can’t get to where he wants as he could previously, and seems to be trying things like dribbling more than he did in his pomp to compensate for what he can no longer do because of his physical limitations. What he definitely can’t do is take the opposition’s best guard so Curry doesn’t have to do so, and currently imo he and Curry starting together means a compromised defense at the start of games. He defended OK in the finals in 2022, maybe he could deliver better on the defensive end playing less minutes or prioritising particular play-off games, but no way imo can he play both offensively and defensively for 35 minutes as he did prior to his injuries when he was an absolute iron man.

People are focusing too much on his offense. Klay is a gunner and will always be a gunner. It's just that his shooting no longer compensates for his floor game.

What exactly does he do for this club when his shot isn't on?

His gravity is no longer what it used to be.
He used to be a lockdiwn poa defender which allowed better rebounders and offball defenders around him.
Now he's the guy that was to get the tough rebounds and provide the help. He's clearly shown he can do neither. And now he also gets hunted on defense.

He's the very description a 6th man but we are using him as the second option with big minutes.

[wco81]

I don't know that reducing his minutes necessarily will help.

Defense may be better with others playing instead of him but it won't be so much better that we can grind out 111-105 games, especially against playoffs teams.

Instead, GSW will probably need to outscore teams, have a number of shootout type games. That means Steph has to have his supernova games while getting help from Kuminga scoring efficiently and Wiggins shooting half decently.

That formula probably isn't sustainable over playoffs series.

But I don't know what's less likely, the Warriors holding playoffs teams under 110-115 points a game or under 43/35% shooting or Warriors averaging 120-125 with Steph averaging 30 with as high efficiency as he ever has had, Kuminga averaging at least 18/6 on 44.5/36 efficiency or better and Wiggins also able to chip in at least 14/7 on 43/36 efficiency or better. Also the bench, even with a reduced rotation, has to continue to produce, though they will likely be playing more minutes overlapped with opponents starters.

In 2022, Poole had key flurries here and there, hit a couple of big end of quarter shots.

[Hoopstar23]

Seems official klay coming off the bench for the foreseeable future... From Kerr comments today... Finally guys

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[Crazy-Canuck]

Seems official klay coming off the bench for the foreseeable future... From Kerr comments today... Finally guys

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Starting is less of a problem than closing.

[Hoopstar23]

Seems official klay coming off the bench for the foreseeable future... From Kerr comments today... Finally guys

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Starting is less of a problem than closing.

i hope Kerr is smart enough to know that closing with Klay is problematic as teams best lineups will target Klay on offense

[jozef]

i hope Kerr is smart enough to know that closing with Klay is problematic as teams best lineups will target Klay on offense

Could you back it up with any samples?

[Hoopstar23]

i hope Kerr is smart enough to know that closing with Klay is problematic as teams best lineups will target Klay on offense

Could you back it up with any samples?

I'm not gonna reply to someone who keeps drinking the Klay kool-aid and lives in the past...

[Onus]

Seems official klay coming off the bench for the foreseeable future... From Kerr comments today... Finally guys

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Starting is less of a problem than closing.

Starting was a problem though. It almost guaranteed 30 mpg regardless if he was closing or not. Now that he's coming off the bench we can actually play him 24 if he doesn't close.

[jozef]

i hope Kerr is smart enough to know that closing with Klay is problematic as teams best lineups will target Klay on offense

Could you back it up with any samples?

I'm not gonna reply to someone who keeps drinking the Klay kool-aid and lives in the past...

Is it your way to mask any BS?

[Hoopstar23]

Could you back it up with any samples?

I'm not gonna reply to someone who keeps drinking the Klay kool-aid and lives in the past...

Is it your way to mask any BS?

hey, you still got some Klay cum on your lip

[jozef]

I'm not gonna reply to someone who keeps drinking the Klay kool-aid and lives in the past...

Is it your way to mask any BS?

hey, you still got some Klay cum on your lip

Weak.