Is Moses Moody an NBA caliber player?

[CDM_Stats]

Didnt play the young guys enough = career wasted @ 21
Played the young guys too much = career wasted @ 20

this aint goldilocks man, and no one's NBA career has been wasted when they havent been able to legally buy a beer for a full calendar year

all solid players, 2 of whom likely have been able to contribute more than they were allowed. Thats all it is

[wco81]

So Warriors drafted Moses at #14 in the 2021 draft -- and Kuminga #7.

New Orleans ended up with Trey Murphy at #17 and Herb Jones at #35.

Both of those players are contributing a lot more to the Pelicans this year than Moody and you could also argue that both of them are better than Kuminga and Moody as a pair.

Jones is likely going to make an All-Defense team this year and he's shooting well over 40% from 3 this year, though on low volume.

Murphy's percentage is down this year but he's still shooting 37.8 on high volume, 7.7 attempts a game from 3.

They should get a lot of minutes in the playoffs and that will be a good test for these young players.

Again we speculated on why Warriors drafted Moody instead of Murphy, who's 2 years older than Moses.

That must be it? Or they think he somehow has a higher ceiling? Well Moody has had some good minutes on defense but now he's shooting 32.7% from 3 and trending down.


Moody can still end up with a better career than Murphy or Jones, since he's so young.

The problem is, the Warriors need Moody to be impactful NOW, given that they want to maximize the remaining years of Curry.

Maybe the Warriors braintrust knew those other players would have higher floors than Moody but went for the high ceiling guys. They wanted Kuminga and Moody to develop together?

Pelicans are only 5 games ahead of the Warriors but they're #5 and likely to finish in the top 6.

The Warriors OTOH are trending to finish #10.

Jones and Murphy are averaging over 29 and 27 minutes per game while Moody is up to 17.7 MPG. Maybe Jones or Murphy wouldn't have earned more minutes than Moody has.

Team lost a lot of close games, so maybe better shooting and better defense in the case of Jones would have swung a couple of those games.

[xdrta+]

Hindsight is 20/20.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Long arms is nice but foot speed, hustle, and defensive IQ also matter.
Nice that he can hit an open 3 but what can he do on offense when he is decently defended.
Moody has proved he is an NBA player but he has not proved that he is an above average eight man and has not proved that he is better than Payton Podz and half dead Klay.

[watch1958]

So Warriors drafted Moses at #14 in the 2021 draft -- and Kuminga #7.

New Orleans ended up with Trey Murphy at #17 and Herb Jones at #35.

Both of those players are contributing a lot more to the Pelicans this year than Moody and you could also argue that both of them are better than Kuminga and Moody as a pair.

Jones is likely going to make an All-Defense team this year and he's shooting well over 40% from 3 this year, though on low volume.

Murphy's percentage is down this year but he's still shooting 37.8 on high volume, 7.7 attempts a game from 3.

They should get a lot of minutes in the playoffs and that will be a good test for these young players.

Again we speculated on why Warriors drafted Moody instead of Murphy, who's 2 years older than Moses.

That must be it? Or they think he somehow has a higher ceiling? Well Moody has had some good minutes on defense but now he's shooting 32.7% from 3 and trending down.


Moody can still end up with a better career than Murphy or Jones, since he's so young.

The problem is, the Warriors need Moody to be impactful NOW, given that they want to maximize the remaining years of Curry.

Maybe the Warriors braintrust knew those other players would have higher floors than Moody but went for the high ceiling guys. They wanted Kuminga and Moody to develop together?

Pelicans are only 5 games ahead of the Warriors but they're #5 and likely to finish in the top 6.

The Warriors OTOH are trending to finish #10.

Jones and Murphy are averaging over 29 and 27 minutes per game while Moody is up to 17.7 MPG. Maybe Jones or Murphy wouldn't have earned more minutes than Moody has.

Team lost a lot of close games, so maybe better shooting and better defense in the case of Jones would have swung a couple of those games.

The warriors don’t want Moody to contribute now; that would compete with Klay for minutes and $$$

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

So Warriors drafted Moses at #14 in the 2021 draft -- and Kuminga #7.

New Orleans ended up with Trey Murphy at #17 and Herb Jones at #35.

Both of those players are contributing a lot more to the Pelicans this year than Moody and you could also argue that both of them are better than Kuminga and Moody as a pair.

Jones is likely going to make an All-Defense team this year and he's shooting well over 40% from 3 this year, though on low volume.

Murphy's percentage is down this year but he's still shooting 37.8 on high volume, 7.7 attempts a game from 3.

They should get a lot of minutes in the playoffs and that will be a good test for these young players.

Again we speculated on why Warriors drafted Moody instead of Murphy, who's 2 years older than Moses.

That must be it? Or they think he somehow has a higher ceiling? Well Moody has had some good minutes on defense but now he's shooting 32.7% from 3 and trending down.


Moody can still end up with a better career than Murphy or Jones, since he's so young.

The problem is, the Warriors need Moody to be impactful NOW, given that they want to maximize the remaining years of Curry.

Maybe the Warriors braintrust knew those other players would have higher floors than Moody but went for the high ceiling guys. They wanted Kuminga and Moody to develop together?

Pelicans are only 5 games ahead of the Warriors but they're #5 and likely to finish in the top 6.

The Warriors OTOH are trending to finish #10.

Jones and Murphy are averaging over 29 and 27 minutes per game while Moody is up to 17.7 MPG. Maybe Jones or Murphy wouldn't have earned more minutes than Moody has.

Team lost a lot of close games, so maybe better shooting and better defense in the case of Jones would have swung a couple of those games.

The warriors don’t want Moody to contribute now; that would compete with Klay for minutes and $$$

I don’t believe the conpiracy theory that Kerr and Klay are keeping Moody’s minutes down. Moody can take Kay’s minutes by clearly outplaing Klay. Warriors need a 3rd scoring option after Curry and Kuminga andthat helps Klay. Moody needsto raise his game a notch to take Klay’s minutes.

[wco81]

Yeah he can't give the Warriors scoring like Klay did last night.

Maybe Klay can't score like that consistently any more but Moody has never shown that he could even score 15-20 points a game consistently on average or better efficiency. Hell if he can score 9-14 PPG on good efficiency, he'd probably get 25-30 MPG.

If he can defend insanely, then he can still get minutes. But the Warriors have better defenders, like GP2 who got minutes at the Lakers, while Moses got a DNP.

Moody hasn't given the coaches enough reasons to play him over a future HoFer, who can still give the Warriors great spacing and has gravity to get easy baskets for players like TJD.

[Onus]

Moody apparently earned a spot in the rotation… going to be interesting who’s minutes get cut

Apparently Moody didn't earn a spot in the rotation. Just earned another stint on the bench.

[Impuniti]

Moody needs to find a new club this summer. Whether he's good enough or not for the NBA, he can find that out in another city.

[xdrta+]

Moody needs to find a new club this summer. Whether he's good enough or not for the NBA, he can find that out in another city.

How would he find a new club this summer when he's under contract to the Warriors for next year?

[wco81]

Warriors are probably going to try to extend him on a very team-friendly deal, like $10-12 million a year, 3 years.

That's what Deni got from the Wizards over the summer.

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter, kind of like Rui, whom the Wizards didn't want to pay and practically gave away to the Lakers last season and he did well in the playoffs.

But Warriors will give him an extension just to retain the asset.

[Old_Blue]

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter...

What exactly does that mean...play with more force? Do you mean with more intensity?

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[HiRez]

Warriors are probably going to try to extend him on a very team-friendly deal, like $10-12 million a year, 3 years.

That's what Deni got from the Wizards over the summer.

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter, kind of like Rui, whom the Wizards didn't want to pay and practically gave away to the Lakers last season and he did well in the playoffs.

But Warriors will give him an extension just to retain the asset.

That might be, but if he really feels he's going to be trapped on the bench for years, he's probably not going to want to stay even if it's a good contract. He's played the good soldier but I imagine he has limits that are getting tested, dude seems more about wanting to prove himself than the money. If he or his agent tells the Warriors FO he doesn't want to be here anymore, they probably wouldn't match.

[michaelm]

Yeah he can't give the Warriors scoring like Klay did last night.

Maybe Klay can't score like that consistently any more but Moody has never shown that he could even score 15-20 points a game consistently on average or better efficiency. Hell if he can score 9-14 PPG on good efficiency, he'd probably get 25-30 MPG.

If he can defend insanely, then he can still get minutes. But the Warriors have better defenders, like GP2 who got minutes at the Lakers, while Moses got a DNP.

Moody hasn't given the coaches enough reasons to play him over a future HoFer, who can still give the Warriors great spacing and has gravity to get easy baskets for players like TJD.

You may not have noticed but he is considerably taller and larger than GP 2, and scored well at high efficiency when given more minutes in the play-offs last season. He seems to be a guy who needs minutes to get a rhythm and have touch on his shooting though.

Of course he shouldn’t be sixth man ahead of Klay Thompson, who is ideal in that role off the bench which is what most who take issue with Kerr had been clamouring for over a period of 18 months or so.

What people really take issue with now is closing with a 3 guard line up when those guards are old, slow and/or small. I have less problem if one of the three is GP 2, particularly if he is at the level he was for the last title, but he hasn’t really been at that level since his return from Portland.

[wco81]

Warriors are probably going to try to extend him on a very team-friendly deal, like $10-12 million a year, 3 years.

That's what Deni got from the Wizards over the summer.

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter, kind of like Rui, whom the Wizards didn't want to pay and practically gave away to the Lakers last season and he did well in the playoffs.

But Warriors will give him an extension just to retain the asset.

That might be, but if he really feels he's going to be trapped on the bench for years, he's probably not going to want to stay even if it's a good contract. He's played the good soldier but I imagine he has limits that are getting tested, dude seems more about wanting to prove himself than the money. If he or his agent tells the Warriors FO he doesn't want to be here anymore, they probably wouldn't match.

Well the Pistons cut Killian Hayes a couple of weeks ago at his request. He's still just 22 and was the #7 pick of the 2020 draft.

Still hasn't been picked up. He could never crack 30% from 3 and his overall FG% was in the low 40s. His minutes were cut this season, though still 24 MPG. Last season, he averaged 6.2 assists.

Pistons play Ivey more now and Ivey has scored more than Hayes ever did but Ivey hasn't yet gotten as many assists.

In any event, Pistons were willing to let him walk because they weren't going to extend him, not with Ivey on the roster and they're probably going to give more minutes to other young guards like Sasser.


Moses could ask to get released but the Warriors don't have to accommodate the request. He could try to get an offer sheet, force the issue. His agent has to earn his commission in that case.

Unlikely another team will offer him big money when he's been unable to get consistent minutes over his career.

Maybe he will have some good moments in the playoffs again. Obviously Warriors fans want to see that happen and in general want him to take some jumps, given that he's the third highest pick the Warriors have had in probably like 10 years.

[wco81]

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter...

What exactly does that mean...play with more force? Do you mean with more intensity?

Kerr and a lot of NBA coaches uses that term.

Play more aggressively, physically, with more energy and urgency.

[watch1958]

Warriors are probably going to try to extend him on a very team-friendly deal, like $10-12 million a year, 3 years.

That's what Deni got from the Wizards over the summer.

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter, kind of like Rui, whom the Wizards didn't want to pay and practically gave away to the Lakers last season and he did well in the playoffs.

But Warriors will give him an extension just to retain the asset.

That might be, but if he really feels he's going to be trapped on the bench for years, he's probably not going to want to stay even if it's a good contract. He's played the good soldier but I imagine he has limits that are getting tested, dude seems more about wanting to prove himself than the money. If he or his agent tells the Warriors FO he doesn't want to be here anymore, they probably wouldn't match.

Well the Pistons cut Killian Hayes a couple of weeks ago at his request. He's still just 22 and was the #7 pick of the 2020 draft.

Still hasn't been picked up. He could never crack 30% from 3 and his overall FG% was in the low 40s. His minutes were cut this season, though still 24 MPG. Last season, he averaged 6.2 assists.

Pistons play Ivey more now and Ivey has scored more than Hayes ever did but Ivey hasn't yet gotten as many assists.

In any event, Pistons were willing to let him walk because they weren't going to extend him, not with Ivey on the roster and they're probably going to give more minutes to other young guards like Sasser.


Moses could ask to get released but the Warriors don't have to accommodate the request. He could try to get an offer sheet, force the issue. His agent has to earn his commission in that case.

Unlikely another team will offer him big money when he's been unable to get consistent minutes over his career.

Maybe he will have some good moments in the playoffs again. Obviously Warriors fans want to see that happen and in general want him to take some jumps, given that he's the third highest pick the Warriors have had in probably like 10 years.

Be ironic to see him leave for nothing just as Kerr, Steph and Klay leave.

But the Dubs are so stacked, who cares?

[wco81]

Moses is making $3.9 million this year and is scheduled to make $5.8 million next year but is a club option?

In all he's due to make over $17 million on a rookie scale. For comparison, Kuminga is making $6 million and $7.6 million this season and next, or over $24 million in 4 years.

While it's not a lot by NBA standards, it's still life-changing money.

So if the Warriors offered him 3-years, $35-37 million, would still be a decent stack to add to what he's already made.

Maybe with a 3-year extension, when he will still be 25-26, he can get his minutes up to 25 MPG or more and would be able to command even more money after that, assuming he shows improvements.

But it would make sense that he has higher expectations for himself, maybe be a high-level starter, even all-star level.

[michaelm]

Warriors are probably going to try to extend him on a very team-friendly deal, like $10-12 million a year, 3 years.

That's what Deni got from the Wizards over the summer.

It's not inconceivable that on another team he'd play with more force and be more consistent shooter, kind of like Rui, whom the Wizards didn't want to pay and practically gave away to the Lakers last season and he did well in the playoffs.

But Warriors will give him an extension just to retain the asset.

That might be, but if he really feels he's going to be trapped on the bench for years, he's probably not going to want to stay even if it's a good contract. He's played the good soldier but I imagine he has limits that are getting tested, dude seems more about wanting to prove himself than the money. If he or his agent tells the Warriors FO he doesn't want to be here anymore, they probably wouldn't match.

Well the Pistons cut Killian Hayes a couple of weeks ago at his request. He's still just 22 and was the #7 pick of the 2020 draft.

Still hasn't been picked up. He could never crack 30% from 3 and his overall FG% was in the low 40s. His minutes were cut this season, though still 24 MPG. Last season, he averaged 6.2 assists.

Pistons play Ivey more now and Ivey has scored more than Hayes ever did but Ivey hasn't yet gotten as many assists.

In any event, Pistons were willing to let him walk because they weren't going to extend him, not with Ivey on the roster and they're probably going to give more minutes to other young guards like Sasser.


Moses could ask to get released but the Warriors don't have to accommodate the request. He could try to get an offer sheet, force the issue. His agent has to earn his commission in that case.

Unlikely another team will offer him big money when he's been unable to get consistent minutes over his career.

Maybe he will have some good moments in the playoffs again. Obviously Warriors fans want to see that happen and in general want him to take some jumps, given that he's the third highest pick the Warriors have had in probably like 10 years.

What people mainly want is for the team to be better, which given his numbers/performance in the play-offs last season there might be some possibility Moody can make a contribution towards. Hopefully Podz and TJD will continue to improve this year and even more so in future years, but there doesn’t look to me to be much prospect of CP3 and Klay, fantastic though they once were, getting younger or quicker in both cases and less small in CP3’s case. Those 2 players playing with Curry don’t offer enough defense in a closing unit imo and in the opinion of many others. Podz is better defensively but seems to have hit something of a wall currently, and I agreed with you in my previous post that GP2 is also a better option if Kerr is insistent on a 3 guard line up, although as I aiso said he hasn’t looked like the GP2 of 2 seasons ago so far this season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Moody will get burn in the playoffs/play in. We have too many defensive liabilities on the perimeter.

Moody is probably the 4th or 5th best defensive player on the team.