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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#161 » by michaelm » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:41 am

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extra money for what? are they running a charity now? he's a MLE player at best now. and it's getting evident how the team performs better when his minutes are down or he just sit out.


Dump wiggs in offseason.
Guarantee loon for 3M
Moody hits free agency.

Use the savings to give a klay 3/100 extension.

We all know this option is a possibility.


a possibility to fade away into mediocrity until the end of curry' era.

There is no experienced player in the NBA nearly as good as 2022 wiggins on anywhere near the money he is being paid. He had injury reasons for being bad early this year, and needs to be next to Draymond Green to be at his best, but Curry probably does as well. The team’s problem this season has been defense ahead of everything else, so trading a guy capable of shutting down the opposition’s best guard or wing including deep in the play-offs just as he is regaining that capability is a crazy idea to me, particularly given he is a 2 way player as well with a great understanding with Draymond Green which any replacement player would also need to form, quite a gamble in itself imo.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#162 » by Romulus » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:48 am

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thunderdunk wrote:Wonder what will happen when Klay and CP3 get back. Clearly the Dubs play better without Klay, and CP3 will slow down the young guys. Will Kerr do the right thing and make adjustments?


Oh stop it. Warriors are not better without Klay. Klay will adjust and stop chucking when he is not hot.Klay has a pattern of getting better let in the season.

We are very unlikely to win the chapionship but our tiny chance we have to win the championship requires Klay to be as good as he was in 2022 playoffs and also requires Looney and Wiggins to also be playing at their 2022 playoff levels.

Has literally never happened in his career. Was he better late in last season when vs the Lakers? That amazing 3/19 performance as he was trying to bring the ghost of game 6 Klay back? :lol:

The team is much better when he doesn't play because they're not coddling his fragile little ego, starting from the coach.


Here's the thing. Steph Curry is MUCH better when Klay doesn't play. That first quarter explosion you saw tonight? It never would have happened with Klay in the lineup. Curry would have been feeding Klay the ball constantly and not even thought about shooting. We've seen this happen over and over again.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#163 » by watch1958 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 5:52 am

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He’s a beast now
This is the Dubs plan for Moses. They want him on the Looney contract track. That leaves extra money for Klay.


extra money for what? are they running a charity now? he's a MLE player at best now. and it's getting evident how the team performs better when his minutes are down or he just sit out.
I didn't say it makes basketball sense. It doesn't. Kerr knows that Klay wants an overpriced legacy contract. The Dubs can't do that if Moody gets a decent extension.

Lester or Podz or Gui may affect Klay's minutes, but because of their contract status, they don't impact the finances.

Of course, MDJ and Lacob may have had enough of Klay no matter what. But Steve is doing what he can to give the sentimental argument its best shot.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#164 » by michaelm » Fri Feb 9, 2024 6:52 am

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watch1958 wrote:This is the Dubs plan for Moses. They want him on the Looney contract track. That leaves extra money for Klay.


extra money for what? are they running a charity now? he's a MLE player at best now. and it's getting evident how the team performs better when his minutes are down or he just sit out.
I didn't say it makes basketball sense. It doesn't. Kerr knows that Klay wants an overpriced legacy contract. The Dubs can't do that if Moody gets a decent extension.

Lester or Podz or Gui may affect Klay's minutes, but because of their contract status, they don't impact the finances.

Of course, MDJ and Lacob may have had enough of Klay no matter what. But Steve is doing what he can to give the sentimental argument its best shot.

I will always revere Klay, be grateful for his contribution to the dynasty, and remember him at his peak which was probably in the 2019 finals series against Toronto, when he may have even been outplaying Curry. I also don’t forget his serious injury problems started in that series playing on a bad hamstring trying to win another title for GSW.

The organisation has been loyal to him however, paying him handsomely while he didn’t play for two and a half years, and surely he could accept the role which is best for the team now, and his own ego or wish for a new large contract shouldn’t determine which role he plays or how many minutes he plays, and in particular shouldn’t imo affect how Kerr employs him, great though their friendship and ties may be.

I also agree Curry commonly spends significant time early in games trying to get other players, particularly Klay, going ahead of his own game including his own scoring as has also been said. This worked a treat against the injury riddled Sixers despite some considering him to have had a bad game (he only took 7 shots himself I believe). Against better teams GSW need him fully engaged with his own game.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#165 » by svart » Fri Feb 9, 2024 10:57 am

My vote for player of the game goes to Illness
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#166 » by watch1958 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 11:54 am

svart wrote:My vote for player of the game goes to Illness

Do you think illness is capable of running off a winning streak?
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#167 » by Onus » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:07 pm

As much as everyone loves Hali, his defense is pretty bad. I know everyone is like oh we missed out on Hali, but playing Steph, Hali, Klay on defense would be woof.
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Post#168 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:17 pm

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They played exactly how Dunleavy wanted.

I have very little faith that kerr pushes the right buttons once klay and cp3 are back in the fold.
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Post#169 » by Onus » Fri Feb 9, 2024 3:49 pm

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They played exactly how Dunleavy wanted.

I have very little faith that kerr pushes the right buttons once klay and cp3 are back in the fold.

The season rides on Kerr playing the right lineups or if he plays people based on contracts rather than merit. Kerr historically has not been good.

I just can’t imagine Kerr benching Klay and cp down the stretch in favor of podz, gui, moody.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#170 » by cdubbz » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:06 pm

Hoopstar23 wrote:the team looks a lot better without Klay getting minutes!


2 big things though that won't happen every game:
1. Curry went nuclear in the first quarter which forced Indiana to double team him almost the rest of the game.
2. Haliburton disappeared into his bunker and only had 5 points.

Outside of those two things though - Kuminga looked great attacking the basket. Podz playing next to Steph adds so much energy. Dives for the ball, gets in the paint for rebounds, and pushes the ball almost always. If Podz can get his jumper to be consistent then it's perfect. Klay off the bench for sharp shooting Ray Allen role.
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Post#171 » by svart » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:11 pm

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svart wrote:My vote for player of the game goes to Illness

Do you think illness is capable of running off a winning streak?


Yup, he looks promising. Hopefully kerr plays him more
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Post#172 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:16 pm

our best lineup is Steph/Podz/Wiggs/JK/Dray

then our bench should be CP/GP/Moody/Saric/Loons or TJD

Gui and Lester for fill in minutes

while Klay fishes off his dock in Tiburon
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Post#173 » by Onus » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:37 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:our best lineup is Steph/Podz/Wiggs/JK/Dray

Agree for the most part but feel like moody should get some looks for podz. Hated to see Lebron on podz and get right to the rim.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#174 » by cdubbz » Fri Feb 9, 2024 4:48 pm

I still can't get over Steph hitting the 3 while being double teamed.

It was a full on 2 defenders on him on the perimeter! Never seen anything like it.
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Post#175 » by HiRez » Fri Feb 9, 2024 6:42 pm

cdubbz wrote:I still can't get over Steph hitting the 3 while being double teamed.

It was a full on 2 defenders on him on the perimeter! Never seen anything like it.

It's moves like that that will get you benched fast by Kerr, apparently. Curry got pulled shortly after that.
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Post#176 » by ILOVEIT » Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:21 am

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
thunderdunk wrote:Wonder what will happen when Klay and CP3 get back. Clearly the Dubs play better without Klay, and CP3 will slow down the young guys. Will Kerr do the right thing and make adjustments?


Oh stop it. Warriors are not better without Klay. Klay will adjust and stop chucking when he is not hot.Klay has a pattern of getting better let in the season.

We are very unlikely to win the chapionship but our tiny chance we have to win the championship requires Klay to be as good as he was in 2022 playoffs and also requires Looney and Wiggins to also be playing at their 2022 playoff levels.


Less Klay minutes = higher IQ player Podz, more minutes for Moody & Kuminga = more efficient offense and MUCH better defense.

OF COURSE the team is better without this current version of Klay.
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Post#177 » by ILOVEIT » Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:24 am

Wiggins, Kuminga and Draymond defensively. :nod:
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Post#178 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:39 am

ILOVEIT wrote:
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thunderdunk wrote:Wonder what will happen when Klay and CP3 get back. Clearly the Dubs play better without Klay, and CP3 will slow down the young guys. Will Kerr do the right thing and make adjustments?


Oh stop it. Warriors are not better without Klay. Klay will adjust and stop chucking when he is not hot.Klay has a pattern of getting better let in the season.

We are very unlikely to win the chapionship but our tiny chance we have to win the championship requires Klay to be as good as he was in 2022 playoffs and also requires Looney and Wiggins to also be playing at their 2022 playoff levels.


Less Klay minutes = higher IQ player Podz, more minutes for Moody & Kuminga = more efficient offense and MUCH better defense.

OF COURSE the team is better without this current version of Klay.


Moody is not Kuminga. Kuminga is one of the best 40 scorers in the NBA if he can maintain what he is doing. I don’t thk Moody is top 50 at anything. Moody can do many things OK but is not special at anything.

If Klay does not play well and contribute we don’t win a 1st round playoff match up unless Curry goes supernova.

If somebody other than Curry has to force up shots we are doing something wrong or the opposing defense is very very good.
As good as Kuminga is I am still more comfortable with Klay forcing up shots than Kuminga forcing up shots or than abybody but Curry forcing up shots. After Curry, Klay Kuming and Chris Paul my next choice for who to force up shots to bail out a struggling offense is Quinones. After Quinones my 6th choice is Wiggins and my 7th choice is Podz.

Unless the team offense is playing well I want 2 of Curry, Klay, Kuminga Chris Paul and Qinones to be on the floor at all times.

You know that guy on the playground who freezes out his teamates and takes all the shots because he thinks everybody else is so inferior. If you have money on the game who do you want to be that guy. If they are playing triangle and 2 on Curry like the 2019 finals Raptors the I want Draymond to feed Kuminga. But I do not want Kuminga forcing anything. If they put 2 guys on Curry and 1 guy on Kuminga with a 2 man zone consisting of a shot blocking center staying near the rim and a chser covering the rest of the floor then i want Draymond to feed Klay. If Klay is cold I bring in Quinones.
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Post#179 » by Dom801e » Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:48 am

Even Klay off the bench for less minutes would be a big upgrade.
Keep starters as last night.
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Re: 2/8: Game 48 Warriors (23-25) @ Pacers (29-23) 4:00pm 

Post#180 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:12 am

Dom801e wrote:Even Klay off the bench for less minutes would be a big upgrade.
Keep starters as last night.

I want Klay instead of Podz or alternate Klay and Podz every few minutes.

Klay and Wiggins should not try to carry the team. They are better playing within the flow but stll being aggressive and looking to score.
Klay has to be a scoring threat for us to win a playoff series against anybody. I love what Kuminga is doing and what Kuminga is doing takes some pressure off Curry and Klay but I think we still need Klay.

Like Wiggins and Looney I do not want to lose Klay. I want better Klay Wiggins and Looney and I am willing to play them less minutes but I still want them to contribute. I stll want Klay to play with Dray and Curry because I think they help each other.

Kuminga should start from now on but Kuminga can also play with Chris Paul and Quinones without Curry and Dray.

Ut UH if I am playing Kuminga, Chris Paul and Quinones with the bench where does Moody play? The Moody stans will kill me if I don’t play Moody.Moody can be the small forward with Kuminga, Saric, Quinones and Chris Paul but if Moody does not bring energy I am replacing Moody with Santos.

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