TJD Not Playing Is Costing Warriors Games

[oaktownwarriors87]

TJD does well with finishing and contesting some shots at the rim.

What is his rebound rate and how does he do with defending pick and rolls? Have they trained him on the different tactics, like drop or hedge?

Or switching to perimeter players?

Presumably those would be among the reasons that vets are still getting more playing time.

Offensively he's our best role man in the PnR offensively at 1.36 PPP

Defensively he's our best role man in the PnR defensively at 0.82 PPP

Against the ball handler in the PnR he allows 0.86 PPP. Only Wiggins (0.84), Green (0.83) and Moody (0.63) are better.

He also grabs the highest percentage of contested rebounds (45.4%) and he has the 2nd highest rebound percentage after Looney.

[wco81]

TJD does well with finishing and contesting some shots at the rim.

What is his rebound rate and how does he do with defending pick and rolls? Have they trained him on the different tactics, like drop or hedge?

Or switching to perimeter players?

Presumably those would be among the reasons that vets are still getting more playing time.

Offensively he's our best role man in the PnR offensively at 1.36 PPP

Defensively he's our best role man in the PnR defensively at 0.82 PPP

Against the ball handler in the PnR he allows 0.86 PPP. Only Wiggins (0.84), Green (0.83) and Moody (0.63) are better.

He also grabs the highest percentage of contested rebounds (45.4%) and he has the 2nd highest rebound percentage after Looney.

Wow, after this last game I hope he gets more regular minutes.

Still undersized but his fast jump helps against some bigger centers, though maybe they don't want him to battle too often with bigger players.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Kerr is getting there, it's just frustratingly slowly for all of us watching. He did it with Kuminga, then Moody, now TJD. He's trying to keep all his vets happy with playing time but as these young guys continue to excel it eventually becomes untenable to keep them on the bench.

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

[wco81]

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

No way man!

People here know best about player evaluation!

They've watched the Youtube videos and looked at advanced stats!


BTW, over at the Lakers board, they want Ham fired because he's been using **** lineups, otherwise Lakers would be a top 4 seed!

Sound familiar?

[Onus]

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

No way man!

People here know best about player evaluation!

They've watched the Youtube videos and looked at advanced stats!


BTW, over at the Lakers board, they want Ham fired because he's been using **** lineups, otherwise Lakers would be a top 4 seed!

Sound familiar?

I don’t believe this at all. Kerr probably knew that the young players could play but he was giving the vets a long leash to prove what they have since they’re playing for a contract. Saric is playing for another contract or he could be out of the league next year. Klay was playing to prove he was a max player. Kerr gave them as much time as possible to find themselves and put them in position to accentuate what they do best. But they failed. They could not perform those roles. That’s why it was so frustrating. It was very apparent that they didn’t have it but Kerr kept with them and was playing this season as an individual season for those players at the expense of the team. Every dick tom and John could see it which is why people who don’t even follow basketball were commenting on it. Kerr allowed peoples individual goals to supersede the teams goals. Which is why he wasn’t coaching to win games. He was coaching based on relationships and egos.

[michaelm]

Kerr is getting there, it's just frustratingly slowly for all of us watching. He did it with Kuminga, then Moody, now TJD. He's trying to keep all his vets happy with playing time but as these young guys continue to excel it eventually becomes untenable to keep them on the bench.

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Kerr is getting there, it's just frustratingly slowly for all of us watching. He did it with Kuminga, then Moody, now TJD. He's trying to keep all his vets happy with playing time but as these young guys continue to excel it eventually becomes untenable to keep them on the bench.

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

[Onus]

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

No guarantee that making the changes sooner would’ve resulted in better results but there’s a mountain of evidence it would’ve. We’re going to go on a massive run down the stretch here and it’s going to be even more apparent.

[wco81]

Kerr is getting there, it's just frustratingly slowly for all of us watching. He did it with Kuminga, then Moody, now TJD. He's trying to keep all his vets happy with playing time but as these young guys continue to excel it eventually becomes untenable to keep them on the bench.

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

You don't think they haven't won more games because of suspensions and huge falloff in play from key rotation players?

[michaelm]

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

For a start there was evidence about Moody from the play-offs last season. There was evidence that a midget 3 or 4 guard lineup didn’t work as a closing unit. And the results could hardly have been worse than they were for the first half of this season, they weren’t even in the top 10 of the Western conference, flat out unacceptable for a team with near prime Curry on the roster, and the midget guard lineups also looked to be tiring out Curry so that he couldn’t do what he customarily has done.

[michaelm]

It's the part of coaching very few here understand. Coaching isn't a game of chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities or egos. Kerr wouldn't be an all time great if he didn't understand all that goes into being a coach and a big part of that is keeping the vets happy, which keeps the locker room happy, which keeps the on-court chemistry moving in the right direction.

Also, Kerr watches these guys in practices throughout the year and sees the improvement which are the result of coaching, film sessions, practice with the team, skills practice, weight work, etc. When we see the improvement in a game, some assume these players were always capable of performing at that level, which is wrong.

BTW, the above is the difference between formal thinking and dialectical thinking. Formal thinking is wrong. It's false. It's for fools. Dialectical thinking is the correct form of thought and reflective of actual objective reality.

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

You don't think they haven't won more games because of suspensions and huge falloff in play from key rotation players?

Yes, which is why I and many others thought younger players should get more minutes and that Klay was better as a 6th man at this stage in his career after his injuries, and that the the 3 and 4 guard line-ups were tiring Curry out because of his defensive load.

[GQ Hot Dog]

There is a measure of success in NBA basketball called winning games which is an objectively real phenomenon. Kerr wasn’t doing very well at it whether dialect or formal thinking was applied.if the team now coalesces with the rotations many have been advocating for months well and good, but getting the team into a position where they were struggling to make even the play-in can’t be called a sound strategy in any objective reality with which I am familiar.

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

No guarantee that making the changes sooner would’ve resulted in better results but there’s a mountain of evidence it would’ve. We’re going to go on a massive run down the stretch here and it’s going to be even more apparent.

There's a mountain of evidence we don't have access to that makes what we do have access to look like an ant hill. All the things I mentioned that goes on behind the scenes that we have no access to. All that goes on behind the scenes may be the most important part of why the young guys are contributing now. TJD has played 632 minutes so far. If he had played his 632nd minute in game 20 do you think he would be as far along as he was in game 61? Because that's what some are arguing.

[Onus]

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

No guarantee that making the changes sooner would’ve resulted in better results but there’s a mountain of evidence it would’ve. We’re going to go on a massive run down the stretch here and it’s going to be even more apparent.

There's a mountain of evidence we don't have access to that makes what we do have access to look like an ant hill. All the things I mentioned that goes on behind the scenes that we have no access to. All that goes on behind the scenes may be the most important part of why the young guys are contributing now. TJD has played 632 minutes so far. If he had played his 632nd minute in game 20 do you think he would be as far along as he was in game 61? Because that's what some are arguing.

What we do know is that Saric has been awful for months. Looney has been bad all year. Tjd has been awesome with Klay. We know tjd would work with cp3 as well since he’s our only vertical threat. Its really wasn’t hard to see. It’s not like finding a needle in a haystack.

The only reason Saric and looney were getting playing time was because of loyalty, contracts and seniority.

Tjd is a 4 year college player is a son of an nba player. He was ready to play day 1. He is what he is. He’ll have some matchup issues against particular matchups and will need more nba experience but because of his age teams deemed him with limited upside which is why he fell to us.

[michaelm]

But there's no guarantee Kerr doing anything different before would have resulted in any more wins. It may be that the team coalescing around rotations many have been advocating could only have happened now, could only have worked now and not when people were calling for them because these new rotations revolve around young and developing players.

If we go on a deep run and these young players are key contributors, Kerr will be praised for another masterful coaching job and rightfully so. Yet somehow I think some around here will be castigating him for not making choices sooner that may well have had poor results if made sooner.

No guarantee that making the changes sooner would’ve resulted in better results but there’s a mountain of evidence it would’ve. We’re going to go on a massive run down the stretch here and it’s going to be even more apparent.

There's a mountain of evidence we don't have access to that makes what we do have access to look like an ant hill. All the things I mentioned that goes on behind the scenes that we have no access to. All that goes on behind the scenes may be the most important part of why the young guys are contributing now. TJD has played 632 minutes so far. If he had played his 632nd minute in game 20 do you think he would be as far along as he was in game 61? Because that's what some are arguing.

So Kerr was not playing Moody so as not to shatter his confidence ?. Looked like the reverse to me. -

[GQ Hot Dog]

No guarantee that making the changes sooner would’ve resulted in better results but there’s a mountain of evidence it would’ve. We’re going to go on a massive run down the stretch here and it’s going to be even more apparent.

There's a mountain of evidence we don't have access to that makes what we do have access to look like an ant hill. All the things I mentioned that goes on behind the scenes that we have no access to. All that goes on behind the scenes may be the most important part of why the young guys are contributing now. TJD has played 632 minutes so far. If he had played his 632nd minute in game 20 do you think he would be as far along as he was in game 61? Because that's what some are arguing.

So Kerr was not playing Moody so as not to shatter his confidence ?. Looked like the reverse to me. -

Moody is a vastly different player now than he was at the beginning of the season. He's improved. Why has he improved?

The film sessions? The practices? The skills sessions? Working on his body through weight work and all the specialized strengthening exercises we see these guys doing? Or is it strictly a product of more playing time?

C'mon, we're not a bunch of morons, right? It's obviously all these things adding up to much improved play. Otherwise, why would NBA teams and players invest so much time in all that goes on behind the scenes? Moody was ready when he was ready and everything that came before is why he is ready at this moment.

[wco81]

26 minutes at San Antonio, 13 points, 10 rebounds 5 assists.

No blocks but a team-high +20 for the game and the dunk of the year, posterizing Wemby for the And 1.

He dealt pretty well with Wemby's length. No blocks but got a lot of clutch rebounds -- in traffic in the second half and 4th quarter.

So Looney is racking up DNPs. They can't keep this kid off the bench.

CP said after the game that TGD opens up a new dimension for him and the team because he can play above the rim. Also said he told Trace to set a pick for him every time.

[Nvnervous45]

26 minutes at San Antonio, 13 points, 10 rebounds 5 assists.

No blocks but a team-high +20 for the game and the dunk of the year, posterizing Wemby for the And 1.

He dealt pretty well with Wemby's length. No blocks but got a lot of clutch rebounds -- in traffic in the second half and 4th quarter.

So Looney is racking up DNPs. They can't keep this kid off the bench.

CP said after the game that TGD opens up a new dimension for him and the team because he can play above the rim. Also said he told Trace to set a pick for him every time.

Coach paul, lol!

[billinder33]

TJD's hops are deceiving. Visually doesn't look like he's getting any air, but then you watch the rim cams and realize how far up he actually is.