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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#161 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Apr 6, 2024 5:16 am

watch1958 wrote:
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Minus 23 Moody is no savior. Plus 5 Klay is not the kiss of death.

What was -26 TJD?

Outperformed by Looney but why?
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#162 » by watch1958 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 5:21 am

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SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Minus 23 Moody is no savior. Plus 5 Klay is not the kiss of death.

What was -26 TJD?

Outperformed by Looney but why?
Maybe the lack of anyone to guard Kyrie, except some stretches of GP2
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#163 » by Onus » Sat Apr 6, 2024 5:23 am

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Onus wrote:Also yes getting a wide open shot with .8 seconds left is as good of a shot you can ask for let alone for Klay.


on what planet? less than a second to catch the ball and then square up and shoot - borderline impossible. Teams have done much more with 4 seconds, to the Warriors, than the Warriors did tonight

Klay overall was fine but should be getting no blame for how the game ended. TJD and Kerr (I guess?) respectively blew the last 2 plays

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Catch, turn his head, bend his knees, jump, release in a little under 0.8 seconds. Not even Steph is making that a good look

Most game winning shots are with a guy draped all over them leaning in some type of way as the buzzer goes off. For game winning shots a wide open catch and shoot 3 as time is running down is one of the better shots you’re going to get. Want to say it’s a difficult shot sure. Is it more difficult than a running off hand runner from beyond the free throw line with Jokic on your side trying to block your shot. No it’s not. Game winning shots are usually difficult, which is why offense gets paid so much and why usually you want your best player to shoot it.
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#164 » by superunknown » Sat Apr 6, 2024 9:08 am

back-to-back (also DAL), vets, old legs, the youngsters, "it's the NBA", etc.
how many other fu**ing excuses?
"they were missing wiggins and kuminga". seriously? this is the argument this time?
mavs were without their best player. how many games GS won this season without steph?
again, dubs found a way to s*** the bed because of bad coaching, lack of preparation, lack of knowledge of opposing team missmatches and in-game decisions that makes zero sense. 32 from PJ washington?! 32?! when was it last time PJ washington scored 30+points? how is it that more often than not average league players look like all-stars against the dubs? they made him be the player of the game like he was doncic. ridiculous.
this is simply a badly coached team, incapable to hold the so called future HoF accountable for their supposed to be standards that is going nowhere.
the talent disparity is not there anymore to cover up/make up for the evident shortcomings of this CS.
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#165 » by superunknown » Sat Apr 6, 2024 9:20 am

one more thing for the klay's fanclub.
16 points, 7/17 from the field, 2/8 from 3, 0 FTs attempts.
in a game missing wiggins and kuminga (2 that can be a second violin on a given night).
and this is the legit second option that some posters still claim it needs to be out there "otherwise dubs not have enough shooting, scoring, spacing, whatnot" ?
you don't show you can be a legit second option in a game like this then when are you supposed to? this was the kind of game you could've silenced some critics and showed you could still be that key guy for this team.
and if someone wants to use the argument "it was a back-to-back", "X game in 5 days" then here you are. if his legs cannot sustain this kind of effort anymore, he cannot be a starter or a key guy no more. just a 20mins microwave scorer from the bench at best. that's it.
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Post#166 » by svart » Sat Apr 6, 2024 9:30 am

this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.
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Post#167 » by michaelm » Sat Apr 6, 2024 10:15 am

svart wrote:this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.

Yes, this is certainly not the game to call him out on, Moody hardly auditioned well to be his replacement as a starter. More an advertisement for the benefit to the team of good Wiggins I would have thought.

I am not really a start Moody guy anyway, but I remain opposed to Klay being in for defensive possessions late in games when he is tired. Whatever makes the team win though, if Klay can win games late I am all for it.
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#168 » by billinder33 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 11:23 am

michaelm wrote:
svart wrote:this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.

Yes, this is certainly not the game to call him out on, Moody hardly auditioned well to be his replacement as a starter.


I've never understood this board's fascination with Moody. We're all waiting for players to show they can take over for the faltering 'core', and in theory Moody should be in pole position for that honor,. But right now he's behind Podz, Wiggs, TJD, and JK. 3 years in, he's just mediocre/fine/ok with no defining skill to hang his hat on.

He just doesn't look much different than when he was drafted. Same body, slightly improved floor game, roughly the same shooting efficiency thanks to this season's decline. I'm not sure if it's because he doesn't work hard enough on his game or if he's capped by his athleticism. IMO there should be more growth than there has been. He's only 21 so the book isn't completely written, but at this point I'm not convinced that his game is going anywhere, and I don't think the issue is "Kerr" or "opportunity". Maybe year 4 will be different?

Still some upside hope I guess, but this is starting to look like an 'NBA warm body' career.
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Post#169 » by superunknown » Sat Apr 6, 2024 11:48 am

michaelm wrote:
svart wrote:this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.

Yes, this is certainly not the game to call him out on, Moody hardly auditioned well to be his replacement as a starter. More an advertisement for the benefit to the team of good Wiggins I would have thought.

I am not a start Moody guy anyway, but I remain opposed to Klay being in for defensive possessions late in games when he is tired. Whatever makes the team win though, if Klay can win games late I am all for it.


does the HC share the same feeling? because it doesn't seem quite like it.
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#170 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Apr 6, 2024 12:53 pm

svart wrote:this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.


Generally take the immediate reactions in game threads with a grain of salt, alot is fueled by emotion which is why losses get bigger threads than wins. It's therapeutic to vent sometimes. :D
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Re: 4/5 Game 77 - Warriors (42-34) @ Mavericks (46-30) 5:30pm 

Post#171 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:03 pm

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michaelm wrote:
svart wrote:this board is turning into a pro/klay - anti/klay war, with every party rubbing it to the other depending on the type of game he has.

and it's disgusting.

Yes, this is certainly not the game to call him out on, Moody hardly auditioned well to be his replacement as a starter.


I've never understood this board's fascination with Moody. We're all waiting for players to show they can take over for the faltering 'core', and in theory Moody should be in pole position for that honor,. But right now he's behind Podz, Wiggs, TJD, and JK. 3 years in, he's just mediocre/fine/ok with no defining skill to hang his hat on.

He just doesn't look much different than when he was drafted. Same body, slightly improved floor game, roughly the same shooting efficiency thanks to this season's decline. I'm not sure if it's because he doesn't work hard enough on his game or if he's capped by his athleticism. IMO there should be more growth than there has been. He's only 21 so the book isn't completely written, but at this point I'm not convinced that his game is going anywhere, and I don't think the issue is "Kerr" or "opportunity". Maybe year 4 will be different?

Still some upside hope I guess, but this is starting to look like an 'NBA warm body' career.


I think alot misunderstand moody.

I dont think he's this budding all star. He's not the same type of player as guys like jk or even poole. Moody is more the battier or A.Gordon type where he will fit and help win games when he is surrounded by better players. Much like twe saw tonight, tjd's play gets elevated by playing with dray and wiggins, not by replacing them. Moody is the same. So, for me, when I say moody deserves minutes over klay, I meant specifically for that spot to fill the gaps, not to be a Wiggins or jk or poole nor to replicate what klay does. The point was to provide things that klay doesn't do. And yes klay is an NBA player, but he just isn't the player kerr thinks he is.
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Post#172 » by thunderdunk » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:03 pm

Generally, good three point shooting is defined by 40% or better. So even good shooters miss that shot six times out of ten. It’s pointless to critique one missed three pointer with less than a second left on the clock. Dubs really did miss Wiggs in this game though.
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Post#173 » by thunderdunk » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:51 pm

Chips are generally won by the team with the fewest injuries. Dubs need all of their top 10 players if they’re going to contend. Even then, if Denver and Boston are healthy, they’re done. And that’s being generous.
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Post#174 » by cpower » Sat Apr 6, 2024 1:56 pm

one of those games you just know we can't close. it happens and will continue happening in the playin game...i just hope our hearts can handle it
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Post#175 » by GSWFan1994 » Sat Apr 6, 2024 2:22 pm

It's a very difficult situation for us.

We threw away around 8/12 games in the first 50 games of the season, due to Dray's suspension and Kerr's same old, same old (rotations, sub patterns, mid-game adjustments).

Then we threw like 5 more games in the last 20 as well (losses to Chicago, depleted New York, San Antonio, etc)... then tonight as well.

We will probably have to win 2 out 2 in the play-in, while playing on the road. Very tough.
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Post#176 » by svart » Sat Apr 6, 2024 3:17 pm

That was always the more probable path after the losses you mentions.

But some people got hyped by our winning streak and now they feel more disappointed than they should be.

We need to prove we deserve to be there by winning two games in the play-in. That's how i see it. is it doable? We'll need a lot of luck and heart. We'll see.
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Post#177 » by Romulus » Sat Apr 6, 2024 3:20 pm

Gafford made a huge difference didn't he? Both he and TJD have an ability to alter shots at the rim. Now, just imagine the Warriors making the trade for Gafford at the deadline. Imagine having two guys at the center position that can do that kind of damage for 48 minutes. It allows Draymond to always be a 4. I'm sorry that's a game changer for the season. And yet, there you have Dunleavy Jr. after the deadline saying he didn't see a trade that could move the needle.

Disgusting.
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Post#178 » by WarriorGM » Sat Apr 6, 2024 4:10 pm

svart wrote:That was always the more probable path after the losses you mentions.

But some people got hyped by our winning streak and now they feel more disappointed than they should be.

We need to prove we deserve to be there by winning two games in the play-in. That's how i see it. is it doable? We'll need a lot of luck and heart. We'll see.


Better to have proved it by winning games like this one where the opponents' roster is depleted and avoiding the play-in altogether.
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Post#179 » by superunknown » Sat Apr 6, 2024 4:29 pm

svart wrote:That was always the more probable path after the losses you mentions.

But some people got hyped by our winning streak and now they feel more disappointed than they should be.

We need to prove we deserve to be there by winning two games in the play-in. That's how i see it. is it doable? We'll need a lot of luck and heart. We'll see.


so they need to prove it by winning 2 games in the play-in when they cannot win a RS game vs a team missing its best player?
other teams can win games without their best player, even the spurs did, but dubs cannot, rather they lose vs team missing their best player.
this is an indictment on the CS and the roster to some extend therefore to the FO too.
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