Should TJD start vs Sabonis?

[jozef]

What facts? TJD and Green looked good against them. The Kings wouldn't even attack TJD's side of the court when he was guarding Barnes in the corner. They were actively avoiding him and attacking Klay.

Let's Tina breakdown of the start of the game:

-Draymond Green hits open 3 pointer
-Murray 3 over Klay
-Green feeds cutting TJD for 2
-Kings go after Klay again and Murray misses open 3
-Klay bring the ball up the court, TJD sets screen and then Klay misses a mid range shot in a double team
-TJD bites on Barnes pump fake, Green picks him up and TJD switches to Sabonis. Barnes cuts and then hits an open Murray for 3 in the corner because Curry was sleeping.
-TJD sets of ball screen for Curry, Green gets it to Curry and then Curry hits an open Wiggins for 3.
-Fox misses tough jumper over Wiggins with TJD/Green patrolling the paint.
-Sabonis fouls Wiggins. No call. Warriors ball, but it's overturned.
-Sabonis sets screen for Murray and hands off the ball to attack Klay again. Green switches onto Murray. Murray drives on Green and misses layup.
-TJD sets screen for Wiggins. Wiggins misses layup.
-Fox turns ball over in transition when facing Green.
-TJD sets screen for Curry. Curry gets doubled, hit Wiggins, Wiggins swings it to Klay in the corner. Klay drives and misses his lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have pushed TJD. Klay gets the ball back and misses a 3.
-Fox sets of ball screen on TJD and Sabonis hits Murray for a 3 in transition.
-Draymond air balls corner 3.
-Green forces Barnes to miss layup. Fox blows past Klay and gets a outback dunk.
-TJD passes ball to ref. This was his big mistake.
-Murray beat Klay again and gets a shot at the basket (Green helped and contested and TJD was on the other side of the basket with Barnes).
-Green miss s lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have been holding TJD again.
-Murray misses open 3 in transition (Klay is closest man). Offensive foul on Ellis.

TJD is taken out of game.

I did not see Barnes and Sabonis outplaying TJD and Green, but the Kings were attacking Klay with great success.

Sabonis sets screen on perimeter and Dray sags off on FT line. How could it be "attacking Klay" or "Murray over Klay"? I see Dray getting lost in a moment.

[whatisacenter]

What facts? TJD and Green looked good against them. The Kings wouldn't even attack TJD's side of the court when he was guarding Barnes in the corner. They were actively avoiding him and attacking Klay.

Let's Tina breakdown of the start of the game:

-Draymond Green hits open 3 pointer
-Murray 3 over Klay
-Green feeds cutting TJD for 2
-Kings go after Klay again and Murray misses open 3
-Klay bring the ball up the court, TJD sets screen and then Klay misses a mid range shot in a double team
-TJD bites on Barnes pump fake, Green picks him up and TJD switches to Sabonis. Barnes cuts and then hits an open Murray for 3 in the corner because Curry was sleeping.
-TJD sets of ball screen for Curry, Green gets it to Curry and then Curry hits an open Wiggins for 3.
-Fox misses tough jumper over Wiggins with TJD/Green patrolling the paint.
-Sabonis fouls Wiggins. No call. Warriors ball, but it's overturned.
-Sabonis sets screen for Murray and hands off the ball to attack Klay again. Green switches onto Murray. Murray drives on Green and misses layup.
-TJD sets screen for Wiggins. Wiggins misses layup.
-Fox turns ball over in transition when facing Green.
-TJD sets screen for Curry. Curry gets doubled, hit Wiggins, Wiggins swings it to Klay in the corner. Klay drives and misses his lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have pushed TJD. Klay gets the ball back and misses a 3.
-Fox sets of ball screen on TJD and Sabonis hits Murray for a 3 in transition.
-Draymond air balls corner 3.
-Green forces Barnes to miss layup. Fox blows past Klay and gets a outback dunk.
-TJD passes ball to ref. This was his big mistake.
-Murray beat Klay again and gets a shot at the basket (Green helped and contested and TJD was on the other side of the basket with Barnes).
-Green miss s lob attempt to TJD. Sabonis may have been holding TJD again.
-Murray misses open 3 in transition (Klay is closest man). Offensive foul on Ellis.

TJD is taken out of game.

I did not see Barnes and Sabonis outplaying TJD and Green, but the Kings were attacking Klay with great success.

Sabonis sets screen on perimeter and Dray sags off on FT line. How could it be "attacking Klay" or "Murray over Klay"? I see Dray getting lost in a moment.

Yep, Draymond was a non factor last night. Dropping too much on screens and not even getting down the court at times.

[jozef]

And that's what went wrong on the defensive end. Dray felt there is no help in the paint cause of TJD being in the corner with Barnes (or sitting on the bench) so he sagged off. Or maybe he did it by design.

Coaching staff frequently tries "inovative" ideas and criss-crossed defensive matchups and I do not like it at all.

Dray would excel on commanding help rotations from weak side.

And I wonder if any other coach would not punish Fox with low post isos if he would defend their power forward.

[vvoland]

And that's what went wrong on the defensive end. Dray felt there is no help in the paint cause of TJD being in the corner with Barnes (or sitting on the bench) so he sagged off. Or maybe he did it by design.

Coaching staff frequently tries "inovative" ideas and criss-crossed defensive matchups and I do not like it at all.

Dray would excel on commanding help rotations from weak side.

And I wonder if any other coach would not punish Fox with low post isos if he would defend their power forward.

This.

If you start TJD, playing him on Barnes was expecting a lot from a rookie. Dray should be in that role as the help defender and IF TJD starts, you have play him on sabonis. So f'ing weird to change this up in a single elimination game.

Not going after fox on the other end was borderline criminal. He's played a ton of minutes before that game, played a ton in that game and had a huge offensive workload. We just let him rest in halfcourt defense while hounding our ballhandlers when he felt like using that energy. It's mind-boggling the lack of attention to detail, matchup hunting, and general lack of adjustments.

[jozef]

TJD on Barnes was a waste of talent (JK would be better fit for THAT purpose).
Per 100 possessions TJD 3.3 blks and 1.2 stls, Dray 1.5 blks and 1.8 stls, JK 0.9 blks and 1.4 stls. It is obvious what their roles should be.

It was 8-6 and Wigs missed 2 layups, and a Klay lob pass to TJD was a bit inaccurate. It could be 14-6 and completely different ballgame.

[Impuniti]

Dray's defense was pathetic last night. In general it's gotten worse where he's not physically fit to switch as he wishes to do (or as prime Dray would do). Just regularly sags off players and allows them easy 3s, all the while "roaming" around the paint. Roaming is useless if you don't have the physical ability to constantly move and cover the necessary areas.

[jozef]

Mike Brown's tactics of assigning Fox to Dray:
- let bigger wings hunt Steph and Klay and if Dray sets a screen then Fox switches on shooter and big wing on Dray
- if Dray does not set a screen then let Fox sag off him

I am student of Jazz basketball from 90's and I cannot imagine a guard defending Karl Malone. It would be absurd. I know Dray is no Karl still the punishment had to come.

[vvoland]

Mike Brown's tactics of assigning Fox to Dray:
- let bigger wings hunt Steph and Klay and if Dray sets a screen then Fox switches on shooter and big wing on Dray
- if Dray does not set a screen then let Fox sag off him

I am student of Jazz basketball from 90's and I cannot imagine a guard defending Karl Malone. It would be absurd. I know Dray is no Karl still the punishment had to come.

And the dubs typically love Dray in the mid post, usually to pass, but also to spin to the rim if his defender is small or overplaying the shooters. didn't see it much last night.

[jozef]

So usually it did look that way:


Here we see Fox standing right in the TJD's rolling path!

The correct position for Dray should be in weakside dunker spot...

[jozef]

To be fair, Dray posted up Fox ONCE and missed easy layup.



See terrible spacing of his teammates...

JK should be in weakside highpost and Steph, Podz and Wigs should use whole perimeter width.

[jozef]

Here is the situation ahead of TJD's dunk.

Basically anytime Dray operated (defended by Fox) in low post area, weakside or strongside, then good things happened.



See great spacing and using whole perimeter width.

[Twinkie defense]

TJD got smoked and had to be removed from the game.

[vvoland]

TJD got smoked and had to be removed from the game.

A rookie in his first playoff/play-in game, on the road, guarding in a new scheme, it makes sense he didn't find much success. I think he wasn't used to the physicality on offense and his role on defense isn't what he was used to. Just weird strategy from the coaching staff defensively.

[Twinkie defense]

TJD got smoked and had to be removed from the game.

A rookie in his first playoff/play-in game, on the road, guarding in a new scheme, it makes sense he didn't find much success. I think he wasn't used to the physicality on offense and his role on defense isn't what he was used to. Just weird strategy from the coaching staff defensively.

Nothing against TJD. Love the guy. He will have many bright moments to come. Just reiterating that it's a bad idea to push your chips in on a rookie TJD guarding Sabonis in a postseason do or die game.

[vvoland]

TJD got smoked and had to be removed from the game.

A rookie in his first playoff/play-in game, on the road, guarding in a new scheme, it makes sense he didn't find much success. I think he wasn't used to the physicality on offense and his role on defense isn't what he was used to. Just weird strategy from the coaching staff defensively.

Nothing against TJD. Love the guy. He will have many bright moments to come. Just reiterating that it's a bad idea to push your chips in on a rookie TJD guarding Sabonis in a postseason do or die game.

That's the point, he wasn't. He was guarding Harry b while dray started on sabonis. Gave tjd too much to think about while guarding the weak side corner.

[jozef]

TJD got smoked and had to be removed from the game.

A rookie in his first playoff/play-in game, on the road, guarding in a new scheme, it makes sense he didn't find much success. I think he wasn't used to the physicality on offense and his role on defense isn't what he was used to. Just weird strategy from the coaching staff defensively.

Nothing against TJD. Love the guy. He will have many bright moments to come. Just reiterating that it's a bad idea to push your chips in on a rookie TJD guarding Sabonis in a postseason do or die game.

Keon Ellis, as old as TJD, guarded Steph and stripped him twice on one-one defense...

TJD got SMOKED?! When??
Murray 3PT - DRAY did not help Klay on screen : TJD in weakside corner on Barnes
Murray 3PT - TJD and Dray switched correctly and STEPH sagged off too much
MURRAY 3PT - from behind Fox screen on TJD and WIGS a bit later switch, tough shot, good defense
FOX Tip-in Dunk - KLAY did not box out which is hard to do from perimeter : TJD in the middle on Sabonis
Murray 2PT - Dray switched on Murray who made a jumper over him, contested shot, good defense : TJD in weakside corner on Barnes

On the offensive end he converted a dunk off Dray's feed and commited a turnover - he got confused cause on weakside Dray jogged from perimeter to the basket and Steph jogged from the basket to perimeter so he send a pass to open lane and missed open Wigs in the corner. That was his ONE AND ONLY mistake.