Official 2024 Offseason Moves

[superunknown]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

If that was the andrew wiggins we got the last two seasons, we would have been a much better team than we were. If we got that wiggins this season, we'd be much higher than 10th. For all the hand-wringing about Klay's shooting and declining defense, it's the two way wing that's in the prime of his career that hasn't shown up for this team. I've heard the entire board claim Moody should take Klay's minutes but I think it's Wigs's minutes that he should have taken this year. Outside of a few weeks around the trade deadline and then again in Mar, Wigs was AWOL the entire season, when we could least afford it.

it's amusing this pointing the finger at wiggins for "not showing up" when klay and dray have been more detrimental to the team than him in the last 2 seasons with their behaviours.
klay has been way more unprofessional than wiggins with his attitude inside and outside the court. he might have "shown up" but how? with his constant pouting and his putting his ego before the team best interest? with his non-existent D and his frequent giving up on plays? as pointed out by some posters on this board, if he was left at home the team most likely finished with a better record.
dray's been even a more locker room cancer (to quote an expression used in another thread in reference to poole), he played a main role in sabotaging last season with the punch and this season he left the team in the shite for way more games than wiggings due to his antics and unsportmanslike behaviours, which is far more aggravating than a guy missing time (how many games? 5 in total? dray missed 20 games) due to family matters. and his making himself AWOL for a quarter of the season, in the end, is what cost the dubs the access to the playoff.
but these 2 don't get the same level of scrutiny than wiggins when it comes to behaviour, rather get a pass because of their past, although in the last championship (in 2022, not 2015 or 2018) wiggins was more instrumental in winning the chip than klay and dray. but again, the past doesn't count for him. only for klay and dray.
and btw, wiggins is the same guy who was on the floor playng with a broken rib last year in the coference sefiminals, what a lousy and impudent teammate.

[GSWFan1994]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

[GSWFan1994]

Klay shouldn't be on the team anymore

For the right price (15 mill per) and the right length (two years), I think he should.

I will concede, though, that he needs to willingly accept his role.

Kerr has shown time and time again he is unable to coach Klay in a reasonable manner. It doesn't matter if he's coming back on a vet min he's getting 30 mpg. It doesn't matter how he plays. It doesn't matter how much he sulks. It doesn't matter how toxic he is. It doesn't matter how many team meetings they have to have. It doesn't matter how many player only meetings they need to have. This is no longer the right situation for him. No one is getting through to him on this team. And Kerr just enables this behavior by giving him unlimited rope to embarrass himself on the court.

100%.

Folks have to understand that Kerr's treatment of Klay will be seen as the final nail in the coffin regarding our contender window (if that hasn't already been shut down...).

[superunknown]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

fair enough.
then let him walk and don't bring him back under any circumstances becasue, as pointed out several times by other posters including yourself, kerr and klay can't help themselves. and kerr at this point is unable to coach klay fair and square.
that's the only way that will put an end to it.

[GSWFan1994]

fair enough.
then let him walk and don't bring him back under any circumstances becasue, as pointed out several times by other posters including yourself, kerr and klay can't help themselves. and kerr at this point is unable to coach klay fair and square.
that's the only way that will put an end to it.

Like I said above, we are hostages in this situation. And so on (referring to that paragraph).

Everybody knows Klay will re-sign. He wants to re-sign, Kerr said the same, Curry said the same, Dray, etc.

Moreover, it doesn't matter if he-resigns for 1 cent/season or 400 million/season (I know this isn't allowed per CBA rules)... his role will be the same anyway.

And I'll tell you what, Klay won't be cheap. I absolutely think he will have 25 mi/year offers, there's always a dumb GM somewhere trying to make a splash. Klay's agent will use these offers to drive up his contract. If he re-sign him for anything less than this figure I'll be surprised.

This is like being stuck in a failed marriage, yet both people keep trying to keep on due to the unhappy kids.

Guess who we, as fans, are in this metaphor.

[wco81]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

[superunknown]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years was based more on D than on offense. what are we talking about it in here? even in the last title year in 2022, the dubs were middle of the pack offensively and top 5 defensely, not the other way around. and the team had a better record with JP starting next to steph than with klay.
what it definitely won't be missed, if they let klay walk, is the non-D and the frequent giving up on plays. he's become unplayable defensively, and definitely cannot be paired with curry on the backcourt anymore because of that. it's not about his shooting/spacing, which btw is not the same as before as he lost 1-2 step on offense as well, it's about his D. and his attitude.

PS: warriors also finished the season loosing in the play-in against a struggling team missing two key players. let's not forget about this little detail.

[Onus]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

96-82 with Klay and 47-21 without Klay in the past 3 years. It doesn't matter who replaces Klay. We've tried 3 different players all with different strengths and weaknesses and they've all outperformed klay maybe not individually but as a team it's no contest.

[Impuniti]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

Why are you and others mentioning the 4 titles in 10 years nonsense? How Klay played in 2014-2019 has absolutely zero bearing on how he is now. This is not a point of argument argument, yet people keep making it. This Klay is not the same Klay as before, and the team has a noticeably better record these 3 seasons without him than with him.

I hope every fan that keeps spouting about the 10 year timeline is also in the offseason thread talking about recruiting MJ, Bird and Magic.

[vvoland]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

If that was the andrew wiggins we got the last two seasons, we would have been a much better team than we were. If we got that wiggins this season, we'd be much higher than 10th. For all the hand-wringing about Klay's shooting and declining defense, it's the two way wing that's in the prime of his career that hasn't shown up for this team. I've heard the entire board claim Moody should take Klay's minutes but I think it's Wigs's minutes that he should have taken this year. Outside of a few weeks around the trade deadline and then again in Mar, Wigs was AWOL the entire season, when we could least afford it.

it's amusing this pointing the finger at wiggins for "not showing up" when klay and dray have been more detrimental to the team than him in the last 2 seasons with their behaviours.
klay has been way more unprofessional than wiggins with his attitude inside and outside the court. he might have "shown up" but how? with his constant pouting and his putting his ego before the team best interest? with his non-existent D and his frequent giving up on plays? as pointed out by some posters on this board, if he was left at home the team most likely finished with a better record.
dray's been even a more locker room cancer (to quote an expression used in another thread in reference to poole), he played a main role in sabotaging last season with the punch and this season he left the team in the shite for way more games than wiggings due to his antics and unsportmanslike behaviours, which is far more aggravating than a guy missing time (how many games? 5 in total? dray missed 20 games) due to family matters. and his making himself AWOL for a quarter of the season, in the end, is what cost the dubs the access to the playoff.
but these 2 don't get the same level of scrutiny than wiggins when it comes to behaviour, rather get a pass because of their past, although in the last championship (in 2022, not 2015 or 2018) wiggins was more instrumental in winning the chip than klay and dray. but again, the past doesn't count for him. only for klay and dray.
and btw, wiggins is the same guy who was on the floor playng with a broken rib last year in the coference sefiminals, what a lousy and impudent teammate.

Draymond certainly has been. Klay? That's much more debatable. Wigs not only didn't show up for like 40 games last year, he came into this season out of shape and didn't play with any effort, on either end, until getting moved at the trade deadline became a reality. Then, he showed up for a few weeks and then stopped again. Showed some life towards that end run, especially on that minnesota through san antonio roadtrip. He was showing signs of being the player he once was until he laid an egg in the play-in.

You know why Dray and Klay get more leash? It's not the 10+ years or the 4 rings or whatever. It's the fact that Wigs is in his prime, does not have massive temper issues, and is not coming off two career-ending injuries to his legs. There should be nothing stopping him from playing hard, every night. Except himself. If he had a little more Draymond (never go full draymond) or a little more Klay in his personality, he'd be an all-nba player. I can accept a player trying too hard, I have a hard time accepting a player that doesn't try at all. I don't think I'm alone in that.

Props to him playing with an injured rib last playoffs but let's not mythologize it and call it a 'broken rib.' There's no way he would have been cleared to play if his rib was actually broken since the risk of a fatal lung piercing is pretty high in that case. This is what his injury was, but again, props to playing through it but I think I would have rather seen JK considering how Lebron went at Wigs and how limited Wigs was. He may have gotten even more injured in that game and set back his season even further.

This was the original injury: https://www.google.com/search?q=left+costal+cartilage+fracture&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1042US1042&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[billinder33]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

It lasted until Moody went 0-14 from 3 and Wiggs went on leave, and then the bench experiment was over and (right or wrong) Kerr reverted to the guy who won him 4 titles.

[wco81]

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years was based more on D than on offense. what are we talking about it in here? even in the last title year in 2022, the dubs were middle of the pack offensively and top 5 defensely, not the other way around. and the team had a better record with JP starting next to steph than with klay.
what it definitely won't be missed, if they let klay walk, is the non-D and the frequent giving up on plays. he's become unplayable defensively, and definitely cannot be paired with curry on the backcourt anymore because of that. it's not about his shooting/spacing, which btw is not the same as before as he lost 1-2 step on offense as well, it's about his D. and his attitude.

PS: warriors also finished the season loosing in the play-in against a struggling team missing two key players. let's not forget about this little detail.

If it was based on defense, why is Curry earning more than double Draymond or Kuminga?

Or way more than Iggy ever made?

Or Bogut, or Livingston?

[vvoland]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

It lasted until Moody went 0-14 from 3 and Wiggs went on leave, and then the bench experiment was over and (right or wrong) Kerr reverted to the guy who won him 4 titles.

It's almost like people don't look at what happened during the stretch where Moody turtled and Wigs left and are just like "Klay! Kerr! Bad!"

[superunknown]

Warriors finished the second half of the season 27-12. That's over a 54-win rate since the end of January.

That is about the time when Klay went to the bench and throughout this stretch, Klay got 30 minutes while some "fans" whined about how Moody should be getting 25 minutes and Klay should be getting 20 minutes?

Like I said, lets see if the Warriors win 46 games again if Klay walks.

People seem absolutely convinced that 268 3-pointers made won't be missed at all because the team will find other ways to win.

I'm not saying that they should do whatever it takes to retain him. But the team for better or worse has been designed to live by the 3, die by the 3, with the pace and space stuff.

If the team had a paint threat like Jokic or even Sabonis, I can see the arguments for abandoning the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years.

Yeah the players and the system may not be good enough to contend for any more titles. But it's not clear that the player they bring in to replace Klay and the different offense they put in will have any better results either.

But you know, some of the geniuses seem very certain.

the system that got the franchise 4 titles in less than 10 years was based more on D than on offense. what are we talking about it in here? even in the last title year in 2022, the dubs were middle of the pack offensively and top 5 defensely, not the other way around. and the team had a better record with JP starting next to steph than with klay.
what it definitely won't be missed, if they let klay walk, is the non-D and the frequent giving up on plays. he's become unplayable defensively, and definitely cannot be paired with curry on the backcourt anymore because of that. it's not about his shooting/spacing, which btw is not the same as before as he lost 1-2 step on offense as well, it's about his D. and his attitude.

PS: warriors also finished the season loosing in the play-in against a struggling team missing two key players. let's not forget about this little detail.

If it was based on defense, why is Curry earning more than double Draymond or Kuminga?

Or way more than Iggy ever made?

Or Bogut, or Livingston?

are you seriously comparing one of the top 5 players all time to the likes of dray, kuminga or livingston?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Because Curry, Klay and Podz are all kind of slow we need to add a truly fast guard. Klay playing 20 minutes per game backing up Wiggins at small forward and backing up our new starting off guard at off guard still makes me want our new starting off guard to be fast.

Dray at center, Kuminga at PF, Wiggins, new fast starting off guard would be a fast unit that could force turnovers even though Curry is slow.

I do not like a team that must be small or slow all game long. In my opinion being big for 10 minutes per game and being fast for 10 minutes a game will not let the opposing team get too comfortable exploiting the Warriors lack of speed and lack of size. I am saying that I think it takes some time for a team to get into a groove exploiting a weakness. The other team sees when the Warriors have gone slow or gone small but can not instantly exploit the slowness or smallness to full advantage.

I may be wrong but I think small starters need big back ups more than big starters need big back ups and slow starters need fast back ups more than fast starters need fast back ups.

[Anderson Hunt]

Klay shouldn't be on the team anymore

For the right price (15 mill per) and the right length (two years), I think he should.

I will concede, though, that he needs to willingly accept his role.

Kerr has shown time and time again he is unable to coach Klay in a reasonable manner. It doesn't matter if he's coming back on a vet min he's getting 30 mpg. It doesn't matter how he plays. It doesn't matter how much he sulks. It doesn't matter how toxic he is. It doesn't matter how many team meetings they have to have. It doesn't matter how many player only meetings they need to have. This is no longer the right situation for him. No one is getting through to him on this team. And Kerr just enables this behavior by giving him unlimited rope to embarrass himself on the court.

I don't disagree at all. I simply believe that Kerr will change.

With a better constructed roster and more defined roles (less tinkering options for the coach), I believe Kerr will play Moody over Thompson down the stretch of games.

This roster just needs an enema, to trim the fat. Kerr will adjust to Thompson's inconsistencies as the roster is less clustered and becomes more streamlined.

What Kerr has been is not necessarily what he will continue to be. He's already began the process by benching him a chunk of games.

[Onus]

For the right price (15 mill per) and the right length (two years), I think he should.

I will concede, though, that he needs to willingly accept his role.

Kerr has shown time and time again he is unable to coach Klay in a reasonable manner. It doesn't matter if he's coming back on a vet min he's getting 30 mpg. It doesn't matter how he plays. It doesn't matter how much he sulks. It doesn't matter how toxic he is. It doesn't matter how many team meetings they have to have. It doesn't matter how many player only meetings they need to have. This is no longer the right situation for him. No one is getting through to him on this team. And Kerr just enables this behavior by giving him unlimited rope to embarrass himself on the court.

I don't disagree at all. I simply believe that Kerr will change.

With a better constructed roster and more defined roles (less tinkering options for the coach), I believe Kerr will play Moody over Thompson down the stretch of games.

This roster just needs an enema, to trim the fat. Kerr will adjust to Thompson's inconsistencies as the roster is less clustered and becomes more streamlined.

What Kerr has been is not necessarily what he will continue to be. He's already began the process by benching him a chunk of games.

What makes you think Kerr will change? He had all year to change. He didn't close with Klay maybe 2 games this year and I think we actually won those games and he still went back to Klay.

[Anderson Hunt]

Because Curry, Klay and Podz are all kind of slow we need to add a truly fast guard. Klay playing 20 minutes per game backing up Wiggins at small forward and backing up our new starting off guard at off guard still makes me want our new starting off guard to be fast.

Dray at center, Kuminga at PF, Wiggins, new fast starting off guard would be a fast unit that could force turnovers even though Curry is slow.

I do not like a team that must be small or slow all game long. In my opinion being big for 10 minutes per game and being fast for 10 minutes a game will not let the opposing team get too comfortable exploiting the Warriors lack of speed and lack of size. I am saying that I think it takes some time for a team to get into a groove exploiting a weakness. The other team sees when the Warriors have gone slow or gone small but can not instantly exploit the slowness or smallness to full advantage.

I may be wrong but I think small starters need big back ups more than big starters need big back ups and slow starters need fast back ups more than fast starters need fast back ups.

I'm fascinated with idea of signing Markelle Fultz.

Zach Lavine and/or Delon Wright would help a lot too.

Fultz could become a 20 point scorer with the proper coaching, IMO.

Murray is a possibility as well, but Fultz and LaVine are both so much more dynamic.

[Impuniti]

yes right, let's package our best perimeter defender (one of the best in the league) to keep a washed guy who cannot defend anymore to save his life, even at a discount rate.
if the goal is to keep competing you try to improve the roster not to weaken it. so unless you can get a wing who can defend, rebound and give you 16-17 points per game you don't trade wiggins.
klay needs to walk. the only scenario he can stay is he accepts a huuge paycut (MLE exception) and a reduce role as a gunner from the bench (15 mins max a game). and ofc kerr plays him 15 mins max a game. otherwise he needs to walk. he (and kerr) has damaged this squad enough in the last 2 seasons.
also, if the goal is to maximize curry's last seasons, you try to package paul' contract + picks + youngsters (including podz) to get a star player. you let him walk only if there is no meaningful trade available in july.
green must be given an ultimatum: another incident like the gobert/nurkic one and he is traded at the first available opportunity. enough with his antics, they have damaged this squad enough too.
trade GPII, he's hardly available for a reason or another one, enough with this too.
sign & trade kuminga if there is a good trade available. otherwise you sign him and keep him until that trade becomes available hoping he keeps improving.

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

It lasted until Moody went 0-14 from 3 and Wiggs went on leave, and then the bench experiment was over and (right or wrong) Kerr reverted to the guy who won him 4 titles.

Worked out pretty well right? He played 32 minutes and scored 0 points with terrible defense. At least it was better than the previous elimination game where he went 3/19, or the previous elimination game in another series before that, 4/19.

But those aren't important, it's much more relevant what Klay has done nearly a decade ago in 2015, 2017 or 2018 when he was the 4th most important player in their championship runs. That's the key there, that's the valuable data we need!

[vvoland]

Regarding the bolded part only:

I think most of us here (I'd say 75%+) agree with you. The thing is, this won't happen.

Remember in February, when Kerr said that Klay would come off the bench and play limited minutes? How did it go?

This strategy lasted what, 3 weeks or so. Then it was back to the old ways.

Klay can't help himself. Kerr can't help himself.

They won't adapt to the new reality. They basically sabotaged the season with this mentality.

We, as fans, are like hostages in this situation. You know what's gonna happen, you fight to avoid it, yet it will happen anyways.

Unfortunately, you've got to realize that.

It lasted until Moody went 0-14 from 3 and Wiggs went on leave, and then the bench experiment was over and (right or wrong) Kerr reverted to the guy who won him 4 titles.

Worked out pretty well right? He played 32 minutes and scored 0 points with terrible defense. At least it was better than the previous elimination game where he went 3/19, or the previous elimination game in another series before that, 4/19.

But those aren't important, it's much more relevant what Klay has done nearly a decade ago in 2015, 2017 or 2018 when he was the 4th most important player in their championship runs. That's the key there, that's the valuable data we need!

So you're just going to ignore the fact that Klay was moved to the bench and his replacement didn't exactly shine in his place?