2011/12 Draft Prospects

Piston Pete · Post #41 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:51 pm

Another thing I'm on the lookout for is a big WR (sleeper) who might be worth a look in round 3 or 4.

kellmellus50 · Post #42 » by **kellmellus50** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:58 pm

1st round BIG WR later rounds OL That's how the lions will draft just watch.

Post #43 » by **Icness** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:24 pm

The Lions have Calvin Johnson and Titus Young as the top two receivers going forward for the next 3-4 years. Burleson is a good #3 and he's under contract until at least 2014. They're not going to spend another first or second round pick on another receiver this draft.

Right now the Lions don't have an OT that is under contract beyond next season. I suspect they'll work a short-term deal with Backus, but IMO I don't see Cherilus or Fox here after their walk years. And it's a hell of a lot easier to find a #4 (or #3 if you think Burleson sucks) wideout in free agency than a starting tackle. If Mayhew doesn't see that--and I happen to know he does--he deserves to be fired.

chrbal · Post #44 » by **chrbal** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:11 pm

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if all the lions drafted with their 1st 4-5 picks were a RB and Offensive lineman. A WR any earlier that round 5 would be a horrific decision.

Post #45 » by **ajaX82** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:40 pm

chrbal wrote:I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if all the lions drafted with their 1st 4-5 picks were a RB and Offensive lineman. A WR any earlier that round 5 would be a horrific decision.

ehh with LeShore coming back and with Best already, not to mention decent depth guys in MoMo and Williams, drafting a RB should be far from a priority

We should be looking at OL, DB and LB...that's about it. OL needs to be #1 priority by a mile.

And I'm not even going to address the thought of drafting a WR before the 6th. Silliness

Post #46 » by **Icness** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:44 pm

Of course wasting the pick on Nick Fairley set back the team a full season. I guess if the Lions can make that colossal mistake one year, why not make another like taking Dwight Jones or Michael Floyd in the first round next year. Overload two positions with highly paid players while ignoring every other spot. We can totally morph into the Raiders East yet!

Piston Pete · Post #47 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:09 pm

With the new salary slotting for NFL draft picks, what kind of salary would a pick in the teens (15-19) get? Does anyone know?

kellmellus50 · Post #48 » by **kellmellus50** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:56 pm

the player the lions should pick in the 1st round

Justin Blackmon *
AGE: 21

DOB: 1/9/90

HT: 6-1

WT: 208

POS: WR
Rec 93

Yds 1,142

Avg 12.3

TD 14

Might surpass last year's 111 catches, which is remarkable. A better prospect than recent OSU star Dez Bryant. Versatile and explosive and really works to get open. Great ball skills; breaks tackles. Exceptional work ethic.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft201 ... -big-board

Blkbrd671 · Post #49 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:49 am

1st round pick should be CB/DB or LB. Address the OL later

Post #50 » by **Icness** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:00 am

Blackmon is a top 10 lock, could go top 5 if he cracks 4.4 in the 40. Anquan Boldin clone only slightly faster top-end speed. I know several scouts have him rated higher than Julio Jones was last year, and I do too.

Last year's first round salaries:
Nick Fairley signed 4 yrs/$9.889M at #13
Ryan Kerrigan signed 4 yrs/$8.275M at #16
Adrian Clayborn signed 4 yrs/$8.18M at #20
Danny Watkins 4 yrs/$7.87M at #23
Muhammad Wilkerson 4 yrs/$7.4M at #30, which is higher than the three picks that immediately preceded him.

Generally speaking, agents demanded between 8-10% increase over the same slot from the year before, but the new CBA probably ended that. I would expect very similar numbers for the picks this year, maybe 3-5% higher if the ad revenues are high enough.

Piston Pete · Post #51 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:10 pm

So we're looking at roughly $2 million per season from our 1st rounder...so it doesn't make any sense to draft a WR to replace Burleson, who only makes a fraction more than that anyway.

Rather fill gaps in the o-line and D.

TSE · Post #52 » by **TSE** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:10 pm

Icness wrote:Of course wasting the pick on Nick Fairley set back the team a full season. I guess if the Lions can make that colossal mistake one year, why not make another like taking Dwight Jones or Michael Floyd in the first round next year. Overload two positions with highly paid players while ignoring every other spot. We can totally morph into the Raiders East yet!

Not sure how you can be so sure that he won't be good. And the follow up to drafting him is to trade away other DTs to shore up another position. The pick wasn't the problem, the allocation of our resources by position is what is currently the problem in terms of player personnel. Fairley is just like any 1st round pick, if he pans out that's great, if he doesn't then that is unfortunate, but either way it's more logical to assume that he will pan out and to reorganize player resources accordingly. If you believe in the pick, then you follow up with complementary moves. The Lions have put themselves into another form of an inefficient no-man's land, and we keep piling up on examples of that in our organization and collectively that amount of wasted value/opportunity comes out of the win column. Mayhew has no strategy for us, he's just taking it one day at a time, and without a logical plan.

That's ALL we need to right the ship, is proper STRATEGY both on and off the field! We are so goddamn awful at STRATEGY in every element of the game!

kellmellus50 · Post #53 » by **kellmellus50** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:20 pm

If javid best retires because of all the concussions the lions may have to go with a RB with their first pick ?

TSE · Post #54 » by **TSE** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:51 pm

Well we have Leshoure and we can bank on Kevin Smith to help out for 4 games before he gets hurt next year again.

We are going to be taking an OT, w/BPA CB/LB and S/DE as the top pairs of choices if a premier LT prospect doesn't fall into place. Our 2nd and 3rd rounders will either be Interior OL or those listed positions.

kellmellus50 · Post #55 » by **kellmellus50** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:43 pm

in 2008 1st pick was LT Cherilus, Gosder would you do that again ? in 2012 pick someone like him in the first round.

Post #56 » by **ajaX82** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:52 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:If javid best retires because of all the concussions the lions may have to go with a RB with their first pick ?

no

kellmellus50 wrote:in 2008 1st pick was LT Cherilus, Gosder would you do that again ? in 2012 pick someone like him in the first round.

Well Gosder was and has always been a RT, but yeah that was a dumb pick. I'm not sure how picking him can be used to not justify picking an Oline prospect first though. We clearly need Oline help and it is a tough spot to fill via FA

kellmellus50 · Post #57 » by **kellmellus50** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:21 pm

ajaX82 wrote:
kellmellus50 wrote:If javid best retires because of all the concussions the lions may have to go with a RB with their first pick ?

no

kellmellus50 wrote:in 2008 1st pick was LT Cherilus, Gosder would you do that again ? in 2012 pick someone like him in the first round.

Well Gosder was and has always been a RT, but yeah that was a dumb pick. I'm not sure how picking him can be used to not justify picking an Oline prospect first though. We clearly need Oline help and it is a tough spot to fill via FA

I agree 2008 was dumb pick and the lions are not good at picking OL that why you go with an impact player that they are good at picking which is a FB we need a forte type player look what he is doing for chicago he has opened the passing game for them.

Post #58 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:19 pm

The RBs aren't playing that badly. Kevin Smith comes off the street and looks great. Mo Morris has had some solid performances. Getting Leshoure back next year will be a nice bonus, and the Lions will consider that their offseason RB acquisition.

I do think Best is probably done.

I would take the BPA of CB, OT, or S with the first round pick and it would have to be the right kind of fit for the DBs. I wouldn't mind a guard/center either but that can wait til the middle rounds. As can WR.

Piston Pete · Post #59 » by **Piston Pete** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:53 pm

Good news for us is that C looks to be pretty deep in this season's draft.

I say go OT in rd 1, OC in 2 or 3 depending on who is there in round 2 versus who might fall to rd 3.

TSE · Post #60 » by **TSE** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:34 am

We need a new franchise Center, not sure you can get good enough quality with a mid-to-late Rd 2 or Rd 3 pick. I'd rather stick with Raiola or extend him or give Gandy a chance than spend a high draft pick on a Center that might not be good enough. Too much potential for a completely wasted pick that might not improve the team and miss an opportunity to use a quality pick for a more strategic addition.