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Frank Nova wrote:Anyone that says MHj isn’t the best overall player in this entire class is just trying to Skip Bayless themselves into an argument for the sake of having a different opinion. It’s silly.
M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I don't really have much of a problem like Nabers (or Odunze for that matter) more than MHJr. I think it's weird, but different strokes, ya know.
It's when you justify it by knocking on MHJr's speed that I know you're telling on yourself.
Fairly certain MHJ clocked a 22 mph play this year. So I’d lean that he would have run close to Trey Bensons 4.39 time.
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He’s very explosive, having broad-jumped 10 feet 8, and he’s really sudden, having clocked a 3.94 in the shuttle and improved on his max velocity from last year, up to 23.5 MPH. Asked for what training result he’s most proud of, he says it’s his 5-10-5, given his height and weight, yet still can run a sub-4-second time.
He tells The Athletic he’ll run in the high 4.3s at the NFL Scouting Combine next spring.
ReasonablySober wrote:M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I don't really have much of a problem like Nabers (or Odunze for that matter) more than MHJr. I think it's weird, but different strokes, ya know.
It's when you justify it by knocking on MHJr's speed that I know you're telling on yourself.
Fairly certain MHJ clocked a 22 mph play this year. So I’d lean that he would have run close to Trey Bensons 4.39 time.
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Worthy had the fastest clocked speed at 22.7 mph this season. Legette and Franklin had 22.3, and MHJr had 22.2, tied with Jaylen Wright.
From Feldman's Freaks list.He’s very explosive, having broad-jumped 10 feet 8, and he’s really sudden, having clocked a 3.94 in the shuttle and improved on his max velocity from last year, up to 23.5 MPH. Asked for what training result he’s most proud of, he says it’s his 5-10-5, given his height and weight, yet still can run a sub-4-second time.
He tells The Athletic he’ll run in the high 4.3s at the NFL Scouting Combine next spring.
MHJ is a burner.
M-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:Anyone that says MHj isn’t the best overall player in this entire class is just trying to Skip Bayless themselves into an argument for the sake of having a different opinion. It’s silly.
It’s silly to label anyone as silly that has a different opinion. Like what are we doing here, it’s like the 2021(?) draft and people argued Justin Jefferson might be the best receiver but it’s silly to say.
Again all three of these guys may be absolute stars.
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Profound23 wrote:https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft
38.Cooper DeJean S Iowa
44.Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M
61.Michael Hall Jr. DT Ohio State
88.Devontez Walker WR North Carolina
91. Braelon Allen RB Wisconsin
95. Blake Fisher OT Notre Dame
126. Jarrian Jones CB Florida State
169.Javion Cohen OG Miami (FL)
202.LaDarius Henderson OG Michigan
219. Austin Reed QB Western Kentucky
245.Maema Njongmeta LB Wisconsin
255.Logan Lee DT Iowa
2025 TEN 1st
2025 TEN 2nd
2025 PHI 4th
I am not even high on Cooper DeJean, but I had to do it
Frank Nova wrote:M-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:Anyone that says MHj isn’t the best overall player in this entire class is just trying to Skip Bayless themselves into an argument for the sake of having a different opinion. It’s silly.
It’s silly to label anyone as silly that has a different opinion. Like what are we doing here, it’s like the 2021(?) draft and people argued Justin Jefferson might be the best receiver but it’s silly to say.
Again all three of these guys may be absolute stars.
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MHJ would’ve been the 1st WR drafted last year, the 1st WR drafted next year so how is it debatable now he’s not the best WR this year? I get different opinions and what not but Harrison has been regarded as the best WR in college football for 2yrs now, it’s not silly 2 weeks before the draft to act like he’s not?
M-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:M-C-G wrote:
It’s silly to label anyone as silly that has a different opinion. Like what are we doing here, it’s like the 2021(?) draft and people argued Justin Jefferson might be the best receiver but it’s silly to say.
Again all three of these guys may be absolute stars.
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MHJ would’ve been the 1st WR drafted last year, the 1st WR drafted next year so how is it debatable now he’s not the best WR this year? I get different opinions and what not but Harrison has been regarded as the best WR in college football for 2yrs now, it’s not silly 2 weeks before the draft to act like he’s not?
I watch a lot of draft prospect stuff (mostly for dynasty fantasy football) and I've seen a lot of guys that I really respect say they won't be surprised if a team values Nabers after the catch ability to put him as the number 1 in this draft.
If it was just one or two guys, maybe I'd agree with you, but lots of football minds say the top 3 are so good this year, that it will be up to what the teams want out of a WR that will dictate the order they go. I think Matt Harmon might even have put Rome as the number 1 in the class because he sees so much Davante Adams in his game.
So my point is that it is silly to call any differing opinion silly at this point. But I really want to stress this is not a knock on MHJ, I think he will be fantastic all pro player. I just prefer what I see with Nabers and could see him with a better career.
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
ReasonablySober wrote:Profound23 wrote:https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft
38.Cooper DeJean S Iowa
44.Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M
61.Michael Hall Jr. DT Ohio State
88.Devontez Walker WR North Carolina
91. Braelon Allen RB Wisconsin
95. Blake Fisher OT Notre Dame
126. Jarrian Jones CB Florida State
169.Javion Cohen OG Miami (FL)
202.LaDarius Henderson OG Michigan
219. Austin Reed QB Western Kentucky
245.Maema Njongmeta LB Wisconsin
255.Logan Lee DT Iowa
2025 TEN 1st
2025 TEN 2nd
2025 PHI 4th
I am not even high on Cooper DeJean, but I had to do it
Like it.
But this one made me chuckle. Traded down once in the first.
Outside of not getting a WR, I think I'd be 100% thrilled with this.
MVP2110 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:
MHJ would’ve been the 1st WR drafted last year, the 1st WR drafted next year so how is it debatable now he’s not the best WR this year? I get different opinions and what not but Harrison has been regarded as the best WR in college football for 2yrs now, it’s not silly 2 weeks before the draft to act like he’s not?
I watch a lot of draft prospect stuff (mostly for dynasty fantasy football) and I've seen a lot of guys that I really respect say they won't be surprised if a team values Nabers after the catch ability to put him as the number 1 in this draft.
If it was just one or two guys, maybe I'd agree with you, but lots of football minds say the top 3 are so good this year, that it will be up to what the teams want out of a WR that will dictate the order they go. I think Matt Harmon might even have put Rome as the number 1 in the class because he sees so much Davante Adams in his game.
So my point is that it is silly to call any differing opinion silly at this point. But I really want to stress this is not a knock on MHJ, I think he will be fantastic all pro player. I just prefer what I see with Nabers and could see him with a better career.
Now, you want to see someone who is "silly" look at Chris Simms putting Brian Thomas Jr as his WR1
LUKE23 wrote:I really want to get out of this draft with Edgerrin Cooper. I'd even trade up a bit to get him.
ReasonablySober wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Frank Nova wrote:
MHJ would’ve been the 1st WR drafted last year, the 1st WR drafted next year so how is it debatable now he’s not the best WR this year? I get different opinions and what not but Harrison has been regarded as the best WR in college football for 2yrs now, it’s not silly 2 weeks before the draft to act like he’s not?
I watch a lot of draft prospect stuff (mostly for dynasty fantasy football) and I've seen a lot of guys that I really respect say they won't be surprised if a team values Nabers after the catch ability to put him as the number 1 in this draft.
If it was just one or two guys, maybe I'd agree with you, but lots of football minds say the top 3 are so good this year, that it will be up to what the teams want out of a WR that will dictate the order they go. I think Matt Harmon might even have put Rome as the number 1 in the class because he sees so much Davante Adams in his game.
So my point is that it is silly to call any differing opinion silly at this point. But I really want to stress this is not a knock on MHJ, I think he will be fantastic all pro player. I just prefer what I see with Nabers and could see him with a better career.
Now, you want to see someone who is "silly" look at Chris Simms putting Brian Thomas Jr as his WR1
M-C-G wrote:Trade down-a-palooza in this mock for me
35.
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Graham Barton
OC Duke
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44.
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Edgerrin Cooper
LB Texas A&M
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58.
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Michael Hall Jr.
DT Ohio State
66.
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Marshawn Kneeland
EDGE Western Michigan
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71.
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Cole Bishop
S Utah
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90.
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Kiran Amegadjie
OT Yale
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91.
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Khyree Jackson
CB Oregon
92.
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Jaylen Wright
RB Tennessee
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104.
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Mason McCormick
OG South Dakota State
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112.
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Jarrian Jones
CB Florida State
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202.
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Brevyn Spann-Ford
TE Minnesota
219.
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Mark Perry
S TCU
245.
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Kingsley Eguakun
OC Florida
255.
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Al Blades Jr.
CB Duke
I'm not saying this is the best draft ever, but c'mon, it's pretty damn good. Strong entire OL with multiple guys that could take over OC for next year and start at RG as early as this year. Got the perfect high upside OT prospect, a giant blocking TE and a super explosive RB prospect to spell Jacobs.
Defensively what more could you want, great LB, OLB and very athletic S prospects. And a couple of athletic corners I really like along with some dart throws on guys late.
Frank Nova wrote:MVP2110 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
I watch a lot of draft prospect stuff (mostly for dynasty fantasy football) and I've seen a lot of guys that I really respect say they won't be surprised if a team values Nabers after the catch ability to put him as the number 1 in this draft.
If it was just one or two guys, maybe I'd agree with you, but lots of football minds say the top 3 are so good this year, that it will be up to what the teams want out of a WR that will dictate the order they go. I think Matt Harmon might even have put Rome as the number 1 in the class because he sees so much Davante Adams in his game.
So my point is that it is silly to call any differing opinion silly at this point. But I really want to stress this is not a knock on MHJ, I think he will be fantastic all pro player. I just prefer what I see with Nabers and could see him with a better career.
Now, you want to see someone who is "silly" look at Chris Simms putting Brian Thomas Jr as his WR1
That’s honestly just insane.
I really like this WR class a lot. I think there’s multiple guys with star potential. My favorite 1 is Xavier Worthy and not just because of the 4.2 40 speed, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone move the way he does. That quick twitch burst he possesses is deadly. I think he has the chance to be the most dynamic playmaker of the whole bunch. But having said that, I certainly wouldn’t draft him over MHj, Nabers or Odunze.
I apologize for being offensive. Calling anyone “silly” for a difference of opinion is poor taste. But like I said before, MHj has been top dog 2yrs running now and I’m struggling to understand what could have possibly changed that? Hes a cut above everyone else just look at the film, its incredible.
Harrison Jr.’s stock has been firm for almost two full seasons as the best wide receiver, and arguably the best overall player, in this draft that is full of offensive firepower. His arrow was always pointing up, or at the very least sideways, as he jumped up or sideways for errant passes during the 2023 season.
But then, as it seemingly always does during the shortest month of the year, the draft process power creep started to impact long-established prospects. The questions and nitpicks become declarations and career-hampering negatives, the newest north star statistic leading the way to the perfect prospect or away from a potential wasted draft pick.
In a group of talented wide receivers prospects (plus whatever you consider Brock Bowers), Harrison Jr. felt like he was in a tier of his own, and I still hold up in that regard. There has been plenty of drumbeating that has happened recently about LSU’s Malik Nabers, an unbelievably explosive receiver that sits at ninth on my most recent big board (slightly behind Washington’s Rome Odunze, and I’ll get into it later this week when I write about more on this year’s wide receiver class).
But I, personally, do not think Nabers is at the level of refinement of Harrison Jr. Could he get there? Absolutely. Part of the appeal of Nabers is how productive he already is and the ceiling he still provides. I just also think Harrison Jr.’s own explosive production and potential have been discounted as his last collegiate game, and public exposure, becomes further and further away in the rearview mirror.
Frank Nova wrote:MVP2110 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
I watch a lot of draft prospect stuff (mostly for dynasty fantasy football) and I've seen a lot of guys that I really respect say they won't be surprised if a team values Nabers after the catch ability to put him as the number 1 in this draft.
If it was just one or two guys, maybe I'd agree with you, but lots of football minds say the top 3 are so good this year, that it will be up to what the teams want out of a WR that will dictate the order they go. I think Matt Harmon might even have put Rome as the number 1 in the class because he sees so much Davante Adams in his game.
So my point is that it is silly to call any differing opinion silly at this point. But I really want to stress this is not a knock on MHJ, I think he will be fantastic all pro player. I just prefer what I see with Nabers and could see him with a better career.
Now, you want to see someone who is "silly" look at Chris Simms putting Brian Thomas Jr as his WR1
That’s honestly just insane.
I really like this WR class a lot. I think there’s multiple guys with star potential. My favorite 1 is Xavier Worthy and not just because of the 4.2 40 speed, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone move the way he does. That quick twitch burst he possesses is deadly. I think he has the chance to be the most dynamic playmaker of the whole bunch. But having said that, I certainly wouldn’t draft him over MHj, Nabers or Odunze.
I apologize for being offensive. Calling anyone “silly” for a difference of opinion is poor taste. But like I said before, MHj has been top dog 2yrs running now and I’m struggling to understand what could have possibly changed that? Hes a cut above everyone else just look at the film, its incredible.
