Game 6: Packers at Broncos - 3:25 - CBS

[ReasonablySober]

Already said it but I could never understand some of the opinions here, for example, how in the world was a guy who called plays for a bottom 5 offense considered a genius among many other things but the more I see guys here reference these fools as a source of their Packers news and analysis, the more it's starting to make sense. There must be a better way to get your Packers fix is all I'm trying to say.

The easy answer is the offense has looked good in years past. This isn't a McCarthy offense where guys are required to win one-on-one battles on the sidelines. There's absolutely no shortage of plays (even the last two years with below average targets) where dudes are running wide open.

As for why they aren't getting the ball, I have no idea. That's where All-22 Guy loses me. I don't know where to assign blame, I just know that it's been bad.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers. That's the answer.

Rodgers, in his prime, had the Packers offense #15 in scoring and #23 in yards in 2015. Rodgers played in 15 games. A couple years later, the Packers had the 14th ranked scoring offense and ranked #22 in yards. Rodgers played in 16 games.

Give you a big guess as to what happened what they made a coaching change.

[skones]

The easy answer is the offense has looked good in years past. This isn't a McCarthy offense where guys are required to win one-on-one battles on the sidelines. There's absolutely no shortage of plays (even the last two years with below average targets) where dudes are running wide open.

As for why they aren't getting the ball, I have no idea. That's where All-22 Guy loses me. I don't know where to assign blame, I just know that it's been bad.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers. That's the answer.

Rodgers, in his prime, had the Packers offense #15 in scoring and #23 in yards in 2015. Rodgers played in 15 games. A couple years later, the Packers had the 14th ranked scoring offense and ranked #22 in yards. Rodgers played in 16 games.

Give you a big guess as to what happened what they made a coaching change.

Rodgers threw 475 TDs and 105 interceptions to go along with 35 Rushing TDs. Give you a big guess as to the guy is who did all of that (the name is in the first part).

[skones]

Someone check in on Bill in Foxborough, how's he doing?

[ReasonablySober]

Yes, Aaron Rodgers. That's the answer.

Rodgers, in his prime, had the Packers offense #15 in scoring and #23 in yards in 2015. Rodgers played in 15 games. A couple years later, the Packers had the 14th ranked scoring offense and ranked #22 in yards. Rodgers played in 16 games.

Give you a big guess as to what happened what they made a coaching change.

Rodgers threw 475 TDs and 105 interceptions to go along with 35 Rushing TDs. Give you a big guess as to the guy is who did all of that (the name is in the first part).

Whoa he did that in his mid to late 30s? Wild

[skones]

Rodgers, in his prime, had the Packers offense #15 in scoring and #23 in yards in 2015. Rodgers played in 15 games. A couple years later, the Packers had the 14th ranked scoring offense and ranked #22 in yards. Rodgers played in 16 games.

Give you a big guess as to what happened what they made a coaching change.

Rodgers threw 475 TDs and 105 interceptions to go along with 35 Rushing TDs. Give you a big guess as to the guy is who did all of that (the name is in the first part).

Whoa he did that in his mid to late 30s? Wild

162 of them did in 5 seasons, like what are you on? To go along with 2 MVPs? Seriously?

[ReasonablySober]

It's okay to say that both did right by each other. The Packers went all in on Rodgers and gave him a massive amount of cash. They paid his friends. Then when both parties had enough of each other, a trade was made that benefitted both. Like I said, it's fine.

[ReasonablySober]

Rodgers threw 475 TDs and 105 interceptions to go along with 35 Rushing TDs. Give you a big guess as to the guy is who did all of that (the name is in the first part).

Whoa he did that in his mid to late 30s? Wild

162 of them did in 5 seasons, like what are you on? To go along with 2 MVPs? Seriously?

You're not seriously arguing that Rodgers career didn't all of the sudden resurrect when MLF arrived, right?

[skones]

Whoa he did that in his mid to late 30s? Wild

162 of them did in 5 seasons, like what are you on? To go along with 2 MVPs? Seriously?

You're not seriously arguing that Rodgers career didn't all of the sudden resurrect when MLF arrived, right?

Nathaniel Hackett?

Rodgers is Rodgers. Given his relationship with Big Mike, I'm pretty sure we could have brought in any Joe Schmo off the street and Rodgers would have still audibled into plays he preferred and run those. That had more to do with his being over McCarthy than it did because of any MLF brilliance. I mean, this coaching brilliance is on full display. Hard to make a case for it at this point, but I guess, you believe what you do.

[ReasonablySober]

162 of them did in 5 seasons, like what are you on? To go along with 2 MVPs? Seriously?

You're not seriously arguing that Rodgers career didn't all of the sudden resurrect when MLF arrived, right?

Rodgers is Rodgers. Given his relationship with Big Mike, I'm pretty sure we could have brought in any Joe Schmo off the street and Rodgers would have still audibled into plays he preferred and run those. That had more to do with his being over McCarthy than it did because of any MLF brilliance. I mean, this coaching brilliance is on full display. Hard to make a case for it at this point, but I guess, you believe what you do.

Make a case for what?

[ReasonablySober]

"Rodgers tanked an offense because he was over a coach. I think I'm going to defend that."

What are you on, man?

[skones]

"Rodgers tanked an offense because he was over a coach. I think I'm going to defend that."

What are you on, man?

If you have a boss that you loathe, and don't believe in, and it's beaten you down, especially when his boss is senile, and you gave up money to be spent for the good of the org and it's just not? Your work would stay absolutely pristine under those circumstances? You wouldn't consciously do it, but you'd be affected.

Like we get it, you hate Rodgers, whatever, but this doubling down on this being a "great plan" and all of these excuses. It's a lot.

[ReasonablySober]

"Rodgers tanked an offense because he was over a coach. I think I'm going to defend that."

What are you on, man?

If you have a boss that you loathe, and don't believe in, and it's beaten you down, especially when his boss is senile, and you gave up money to be spent for the good of the org and it's just not? Your work would stay absolutely pristine under those circumstances? You wouldn't consciously do it, but you'd be affected.

Like we get it, you hate Rodgers, whatever, but this doubling down on this being a "great plan" and all of these excuses. It's a lot.

You think McCarthy was the boss in this situation? I'm saying this honestly: I have no idea what planet you live on.

I don't hate Rodgers. I don't hate any sports figures, except the very obvious murdering bad ones. There are some guys who I would very much like to not be on my teams and Rodgers became one of them. I think he's a pretty gross dude. But he gave Green Bay some great years and some great memories and I can compartalize that. In the end, the whole thing ran its course. Rodgers got to NYC, the Packers got some picks.

Things worked out.

[Finn]

"Rodgers tanked an offense because he was over a coach. I think I'm going to defend that."

What are you on, man?

If you have a boss that you loathe, and don't believe in, and it's beaten you down, especially when his boss is senile, and you gave up money to be spent for the good of the org and it's just not? Your work would stay absolutely pristine under those circumstances? You wouldn't consciously do it, but you'd be affected.

Like we get it, you hate Rodgers, whatever, but this doubling down on this being a "great plan" and all of these excuses. It's a lot.

I rarely pay attention to money/contracts (except my own... ) - please remind me when this happened with GB.

[skones]

"Rodgers tanked an offense because he was over a coach. I think I'm going to defend that."

What are you on, man?

If you have a boss that you loathe, and don't believe in, and it's beaten you down, especially when his boss is senile, and you gave up money to be spent for the good of the org and it's just not? Your work would stay absolutely pristine under those circumstances? You wouldn't consciously do it, but you'd be affected.

Like we get it, you hate Rodgers, whatever, but this doubling down on this being a "great plan" and all of these excuses. It's a lot.

I rarely pay attention to money/contracts (except my own... ) - please remind me when this happened with GB.

Since he took over the starting job in 2008, Rodgers has been the _ highest paid QB in the league:

2008: 4
2009: 17th
2010: 21st
2011: 13th
2012: 14th
2013: 11th
2014: 6th
2015: 4th
2016: 10th
2017: 6th
2018: 14th
2019: 2nd
2020: 10th
2021: 3rd
2022: 5th

There was A LOT of money left on the table over the years and TT didn't spend it electing to just roll it over.

[Treebeard]

Some video and commentary on pass route breakdowns from Rich Madrid (Acme Packing Co)

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/10/27/23934534/green-bay-packers-packers-film-room-analysis-execution-issues-plague-the-offense-in-week-7-pt-2

[Profound23]

If you have a boss that you loathe, and don't believe in, and it's beaten you down, especially when his boss is senile, and you gave up money to be spent for the good of the org and it's just not? Your work would stay absolutely pristine under those circumstances? You wouldn't consciously do it, but you'd be affected.

Like we get it, you hate Rodgers, whatever, but this doubling down on this being a "great plan" and all of these excuses. It's a lot.

I rarely pay attention to money/contracts (except my own... ) - please remind me when this happened with GB.

Since he took over the starting job in 2008, Rodgers has been the _ highest paid QB in the league:

2008: 4
2009: 17th
2010: 21st
2011: 13th
2012: 14th
2013: 11th
2014: 6th
2015: 4th
2016: 10th
2017: 6th
2018: 14th
2019: 2nd
2020: 10th
2021: 3rd
2022: 5th

There was A LOT of money left on the table over the years and TT didn't spend it electing to just roll it over.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/aaron-rodgers-on-top-in-nfl-salaries

Former Cal star Aaron Rodgers is the highest-paid player in the NFL, at least in terms of average yearly salary.

2005 - 2009 5 yr(s) / $7,700,000 $1,540,000
2009 - 2013 6 yr(s) / $63,520,000 $10,586,667
2013 - 2019 5 yr(s) / $110,000,000 $22,000,000
2018- 2023 4 yr(s) / $134,000,000 $33,500,000

https://www.nfl.com/photos/nfl-s-richest-contracts-for-2014-0ap1000000147197

2014 Aaron Rodgers was the highest paid QB going into the season. Last year, Rodgers was the highest paid QB after signing his deal. Now maybe after he signed, a QB or two then signed their deal which moved Rodgers town the totem pole immediately, but he never left money on the table. At the time he signed his last two deals he was the highest paid QB.

[skones]

I rarely pay attention to money/contracts (except my own... ) - please remind me when this happened with GB.

Since he took over the starting job in 2008, Rodgers has been the _ highest paid QB in the league:

2008: 4
2009: 17th
2010: 21st
2011: 13th
2012: 14th
2013: 11th
2014: 6th
2015: 4th
2016: 10th
2017: 6th
2018: 14th
2019: 2nd
2020: 10th
2021: 3rd
2022: 5th

There was A LOT of money left on the table over the years and TT didn't spend it electing to just roll it over.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/aaron-rodgers-on-top-in-nfl-salaries

Former Cal star Aaron Rodgers is the highest-paid player in the NFL, at least in terms of average yearly salary.

2005 - 2009 5 yr(s) / $7,700,000 $1,540,000
2009 - 2013 6 yr(s) / $63,520,000 $10,586,667
2013 - 2019 5 yr(s) / $110,000,000 $22,000,000
2018- 2023 4 yr(s) / $134,000,000 $33,500,000

https://www.nfl.com/photos/nfl-s-richest-contracts-for-2014-0ap1000000147197

2014 Aaron Rodgers was the highest paid QB going into the season. Last year, Rodgers was the highest paid QB after signing his deal. Now maybe after he signed, a QB or two then signed their deal which moved Rodgers town the totem pole immediately, but he never left money on the table. At the time he signed his last two deals he was the highest paid QB.

Here is the list for every year. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2008

Over that span, the salary cap rose from 116m in 2008 to 208.2m in 2022, these things have to be factored in. Over that span, his average rank of highest paid comes out to 9.3. That certainly counts for something.