ATL: 2024 Offseason - Diggs to HOU

[raysbookclub]

I wonder how the Rogers trade will appear in 2-3 years. Personally, I think the Jets got the 39year old, fading mobility Rogers with a mended thumb. I will also be curious to see how he's mended from the Achilles problem. He's still going to be a high mileage 40 year old (or 41?) next fall. Will power is a wonderful, if fickle, drug.

And no, It's no where near any of the disasterous trades discussed above. The Rogers trade is a seemingly fair deal on its face.

Forget the Jets deal; I can't help but wonder what we'd be talking about if the Packers had traded Rodgers to the Broncos for the Wilson haul when they had the chance, like many of us wanted to after his last MVP season. Would be nice to be the team on the other side of one of those all-time bad trades.

The Denver deal is what SHOULD have happened. I understand that there was Packer FO fear about trading the MVP, but better a year too soon than a year too late, and all that.

Yeah, a trade was all lined up for GB with Hackett getting hired by Denver.

[LittleRooster]

I wonder how the Rogers trade will appear in 2-3 years. Personally, I think the Jets got the 39year old, fading mobility Rogers with a mended thumb. I will also be curious to see how he's mended from the Achilles problem. He's still going to be a high mileage 40 year old (or 41?) next fall. Will power is a wonderful, if fickle, drug.

And no, It's no where near any of the disasterous trades discussed above. The Rogers trade is a seemingly fair deal on its face.

Forget the Jets deal; I can't help but wonder what we'd be talking about if the Packers had traded Rodgers to the Broncos for the Wilson haul when they had the chance, like many of us wanted to after his last MVP season. Would be nice to be the team on the other side of one of those all-time bad trades.

I think about it as well. But if that trade happens, Clements never comes back. I think he’s been vital in helping Love


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[MickeyDavis]

14 of 32 teams are 8-7 or 7-8. Seven in each conference. Going to be a fun last 2 weeks.

[Treebeard]

^^^ Who was the patron saint of "parity"? Rozelle or Tagliabue?

[MickeyDavis]

Tags, he was instrumental in implementing a salary cap.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Shared revenue and a hard cap, that's the parity sticks and it works.

I also wonder if technology has had some impact. Things like college scouting and studying opponents is more standardized now days because everyone has access to tons of tape and data. The difference in the best and worst franchises at this kind of stuff has likely decreased over time. Basically way less secrets in prospects and everyone knows what everyone else runs scheme wise.

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[Matches Malone]

Facing Jaren Hall this weekend.

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[Mags FTW]

If you want to boost a rookie's confidence, play him against this D.

[Treebeard]

Vikes are probably in the draft QB sweepstakes, unless Hall dazzles against both the Pack and the Lions

[Mags FTW]

Vikes are probably in the draft QB sweepstakes, unless Hall dazzles against both the Pack and the Lions

They will probably take one of the Penix, Nix, etc. group after the Top 3 get taken. Either a 1st round reach or whichever one falls to them in the 2nd.

[ReasonablySober]

Vikes are probably in the draft QB sweepstakes, unless Hall dazzles against both the Pack and the Lions

They will probably take one of the Penix, Nix, etc. group after the Top 3 get taken. Either a 1st round reach or whichever one falls to them in the 2nd.

With two more losses they could be in play for Daniels. God that would suck some serious ass.

[Mags FTW]

Vikes are probably in the draft QB sweepstakes, unless Hall dazzles against both the Pack and the Lions

They will probably take one of the Penix, Nix, etc. group after the Top 3 get taken. Either a 1st round reach or whichever one falls to them in the 2nd.

With two more losses they could be in play for Daniels. God that would suck some serious ass.

There are already 7 teams guaranteed to have a worse record than them. Of those, I don't think the Top 3 don't get past CHI, WAS, NE, NYG, and TEN.

[ReasonablySober]

They will probably take one of the Penix, Nix, etc. group after the Top 3 get taken. Either a 1st round reach or whichever one falls to them in the 2nd.

With two more losses they could be in play for Daniels. God that would suck some serious ass.

There are already 7 teams guaranteed to have a worse record than them. Of those, I don't think the Top 3 don't get past CHI, WAS, NE, NYG, and TEN.

Sure, but the more they lose the easier it is to trade up.

[stillgotgame]

If you want to boost a rookie's confidence, play him against this D.

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[Kerb Hohl]

Honest question regarding Daniels: I have really only a suspicion and don't really track - but 5th/6th year college QBs...are they really coveted by/do they do well in the NFL?

Obviously some guys may just come into their own at age 23 or whatever, but it seems like some of these COVID year guys are just dominating against children and then are afterthoughts for the NFL, though I understand Daniels put up video game numbers and should be a top pick.

Like, you could play the game: what if Justin Fields got to play college football in 2022? He'd have been the same age last year as Daniels is now.

[skones]

If you can find a metric that has Wilson as better than a bottom 3rd starting QB other than basic passer-rating and PFF, I'd welcome it. You completely lost me with even the suggestion that Love and Wilson have been comparable this season. That's absurd.

Got it, so you just want to eliminate evidence because it doesn't suit a narrative you're pushing? For what reason? But I'll bite anyway:

6th in TD passes
18th in Passing Yards
10th in completion percentage
3rd in TD%
15th in CPOE
7th in FantasyPros Advanced Passer Rating
9th in the league in bad throw %
9th in OTGT%


I'm totally shocked you'd just blindly reframe what I said as a direct comparison to Love this year though. Completely out of character for you.

[ReasonablySober]

Honest question regarding Daniels: I have really only a suspicion and don't really track - but 5th/6th year college QBs...are they really coveted by/do they do well in the NFL?

Obviously some guys may just come into their own at age 23 or whatever, but it seems like some of these COVID year guys are just dominating against children and then are afterthoughts for the NFL, though I understand Daniels put up video game numbers and should be a top pick.

Like, you could play the game: what if Justin Fields got to play college football in 2022? He'd have been the same age last year as Daniels is now.

There aren't really any comparisons that can be made. We're just in a unique time.

But Joe Burrow is recent enough. He transferred, entered the NFL as an old Heisman winner from LSU. He's awesome.

[Ron Swanson]

If you can find a metric that has Wilson as better than a bottom 3rd starting QB other than basic passer-rating and PFF, I'd welcome it. You completely lost me with even the suggestion that Love and Wilson have been comparable this season. That's absurd.

Got it, so you just want to eliminate evidence because it doesn't suit a narrative you're pushing? For what reason? But I'll bite anyway:

6th in TD passes
18th in Passing Yards
10th in completion percentage
3rd in TD%
15th in CPOE
7th in FantasyPros Advanced Passer Rating
9th in the league in bad throw %
9th in OTGT%


I'm totally shocked you'd just blindly reframe what I said as a direct comparison to Love this year though. Completely out of character for you.

Dude, you're not even trying lol.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is nuance at play, and a lot of that isn't measured in a box score.

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Not good but not awful either. If you average these metrics out that puts him about 20th in the NFL

I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.

Russell Wilson has been, to borrow a favorite phrase, "ass" this season. They surely benched him in part because they don't want to get him hurt and be on the hook for even more dead cap, but in no universe is an organization gonna outright cut (which they will) a QB who they invested that absurd amount of money and draft capital in if his level of play was even remotely above replacement level. Why you're going all contrarian on this is a weird choice.

[skones]

Dude, you're not even trying lol.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is nuance at play, and a lot of that isn't measured in a box score.

I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.

Russell Wilson has been, to borrow a favorite phrase, "ass" this season. They surely benched him in part because they don't want to get him hurt and be on the hook for even more dead cap, but in no universe is an organization gonna outright cut (which they will) a QB who they invested that absurd amount of money and draft capital in if his level of play was even remotely above replacement level. Why you're going all contrarian on this is weird.

I'm not even trying? You're not even stating a case here. You're just saying he's been terrible and using my word, "ass." Like what are you on about? You're just quoting things I've said about Love in an attempt to misdirect. I have zero clue how I'm being contrarian when the narrative out there is NOT Russell Wilson has been AWFUL and he deserves to be benched. The general line the media is taking here is more in line with what I'm saying which makes the contrarian you. I said Russell Wilson has been "fine" this season. That's true. Is that "fine" play with the price they paid? No.

This is Sean Payton flexing because Wilson was never his guy and he made that known at every turn he possibly could have this season. The Broncos are openly enforcing a financial ultimatum and they look awful because of it.

[Kerb Hohl]

Yeah, Wilson has been solid. I think people are willing to pay an older top 5 QB with a massive cap hit and team issues. That was Rodgers for us until 2022.

The problem is Wilson, like Carr last year, is in that 10-15 range league-wide the way he's played this year. It's only going to get worse from here.