Round 1: Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona

[GBPackers47]

Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Cole Van Lanen, Jon Runyan, Jake Hanson, Simon Stepaniak, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Kofi Amichia, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy

That's the list of OL taken by the Packers "later in the draft" over the last 8 years. Jenkins and Tom and the history of Sitton and Lang has people believing we have some lights out track record with OL later the in draft.

That list isn't very good.

I get what you're trying to say but it's worth noting you forgot Rasheed Walker on your list who has turned out pretty darn good and I'd classify Runyan as a hit as well.

Good call on missing Walker, but there isn't a single person on this board who can confidently say that's our LT of the future. He has shown flashes, but didn't even play the position for a full year due to being benched at one point. If the Packers are drafting top 5 this year, do they skip on Joe Alt or JC Latham because they have Walker?

Again, we aren't pumping out talent on a yearly basis in the later rounds on OL to the point it isn't a legit need. We have more misses than hits so to just blindly say "Morgan is a bad pick because you can address OL later in the draft" is lazy.

[ReasonablySober]

Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Cole Van Lanen, Jon Runyan, Jake Hanson, Simon Stepaniak, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Kofi Amichia, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy

That's the list of OL taken by the Packers "later in the draft" over the last 8 years. Jenkins and Tom and the history of Sitton and Lang has people believing we have some lights out track record with OL later the in draft.

That list isn't very good.

I get what you're trying to say but it's worth noting you forgot Rasheed Walker on your list who has turned out pretty darn good and I'd classify Runyan as a hit as well.

Good call on missing Walker, but there isn't a single person on this board who can confidently say that's our LT of the future. He has shown flashes, but didn't even play the position for a full year due to being benched at one point. If the Packers are drafting top 5 this year, do they skip on Joe Alt or JC Latham because they have Walker?

Again, we aren't pumping out talent on a yearly basis in the later rounds on OL to the point it isn't a legit need. We have more misses than hits so to just blindly say "Morgan is a bad pick because you can address OL later in the draft" is lazy.

I absolutely would have passed on Latham and Alt. Nabers, come on down.

Walker was a solid starting LT last season. He's young, has the size you want, and did excellent in pass protection. No reason to believe his best seasons aren't in front him.

[MVP2110]

Yea I don't see why Walker wouldn't be considered the LT of the future after the year he had last year and given his age. If this pick was made to send Walker to the bench then I really dislike the thought process.

[Ron Swanson]

The individual player >>>>> position/archetype. Obviously have no issue with drafting an O-lineman in the 1st round. I just don't care for drafting, objectively, the 8th-9th best tackle and 10th-11th best overall O-line prospect in the first 25-picks. Bringing Mims and Guyton in for visits. Gute admitting that there were a couple guys they hoped would fall to them but didn't. It all just kind of screams to me that this was a reach pick based on fit (versatility) and position once all the blue-chip O-line guys were off the board. Maybe the most underwhelming 1st round selection for me since Damarious Randall. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.

[LUKE23]

For me he has to be able to legitimately play LT for me to like the pick. And I’m not saying he can’t.

[Ron Swanson]

Ok, so I'm a liar:

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Post#33 » by Ron Swanson » Fri May 1, 2015 3:31 am

I like it. I think Ted wants to find Dom's next Charles Woodson.

But in my defense, I envisioned him being used more like that hybrid safety role we had Chuck playing. Also, I'm kinda dumb sometimes.

[Frank Nova]

I loved the way Bukowski broke it down for Morgan, 1. He’s experienced, 2. He’s very athletic and 3. He’s a 4 position OL. Morgan certainly checks the 3 main boxes Gute always looks for in linemen.

Seems like a lot of positive variables now with adding Morgan to the pre existing group. I’ve seen comparisons to Matt Bergeron, E Jenkins and Bulaga, 3 really good OL. I’ve certainly warmed up to JM the past 12hrs. He ranked top 5 OT before his knee injury in 2022 so I’d have to assume he was a projected 1st round pick last year as well. Morgan said in an interview he was determined to get back on the field and was working out 3x a day to speed up his rehab and came back early to have a really good season for Arizona last year. He certainly showed he has a die hard work ethic to beat the odds and I like that. Plus he was a 2 time team captain so you gotta like the leadership skills.

As much as I wanted Dejean or Koolaid, I want Jordan Love standing upright as much as humanly possible even more. This is a really good pick.

[M-C-G]

Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Cole Van Lanen, Jon Runyan, Jake Hanson, Simon Stepaniak, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Kofi Amichia, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy

That's the list of OL taken by the Packers "later in the draft" over the last 8 years. Jenkins and Tom and the history of Sitton and Lang has people believing we have some lights out track record with OL later the in draft.

That list isn't very good.

Compare that to another team and it looks good, I also think you have to include UDFA guys that hit to be fair.


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The point isn't to compare it to another team. It's to say you don't pass on OL in Round 1 because you think we historically always find quality later in the draft. We don't.

Ah, I get your point, but I think I still kind of disagree to extent.

[jimmybones]

Bright side, Jordan Morgan in theory should be your starting RG for the next decade

I do think that initial look is he's a Guard and I'm okay with it and comfortable with a Walker/Tom combo at Tackle. Morgan should be a day one starter at guard...

...which is a bummer to those that are overconfident in their ability to predict which flashy player they like will be a stud was passed on but in reality it's a great outcome. Smart, prudent move even if not sexy.

[jimmybones]

He might ultimately project better inside but I don't know you would arrive at the idea that he can only play guard considering he played exclusively LT in college.

Most projections have him moving inside because of how short his arms are.

His arms are only a tad shorter than Tom


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Not sure if referencing a tackle that they think can be better playing inside is a good reference point to why he's a tackle

[GBPackers47]

I get what you're trying to say but it's worth noting you forgot Rasheed Walker on your list who has turned out pretty darn good and I'd classify Runyan as a hit as well.

Good call on missing Walker, but there isn't a single person on this board who can confidently say that's our LT of the future. He has shown flashes, but didn't even play the position for a full year due to being benched at one point. If the Packers are drafting top 5 this year, do they skip on Joe Alt or JC Latham because they have Walker?

Again, we aren't pumping out talent on a yearly basis in the later rounds on OL to the point it isn't a legit need. We have more misses than hits so to just blindly say "Morgan is a bad pick because you can address OL later in the draft" is lazy.

I absolutely would have passed on Latham and Alt. Nabers, come on down.

Walker was a solid starting LT last season. He's young, has the size you want, and did excellent in pass protection. No reason to believe his best seasons aren't in front him.

I'm not saying Walker won't be the answer, but not looking at LT this offseason because he looked promising would have been a massive mistake.

But Rasheed Walker's ability is not my initial point. My point was people saying Jordan Morgan is a bad pick because we always find OL later is not true or else we wouldn't have a massive problem at C and RG right now.

[ReasonablySober]

Good call on missing Walker, but there isn't a single person on this board who can confidently say that's our LT of the future. He has shown flashes, but didn't even play the position for a full year due to being benched at one point. If the Packers are drafting top 5 this year, do they skip on Joe Alt or JC Latham because they have Walker?

Again, we aren't pumping out talent on a yearly basis in the later rounds on OL to the point it isn't a legit need. We have more misses than hits so to just blindly say "Morgan is a bad pick because you can address OL later in the draft" is lazy.

I absolutely would have passed on Latham and Alt. Nabers, come on down.

Walker was a solid starting LT last season. He's young, has the size you want, and did excellent in pass protection. No reason to believe his best seasons aren't in front him.

I'm not saying Walker won't be the answer, but not looking at LT this offseason because he looked promising would have been a massive mistake.

But Rasheed Walker's ability is not my initial point. My point was people saying Jordan Morgan is a bad pick because we always find OL later is not true or else we wouldn't have a massive problem at C and RG right now.

I think where some people may come down is that if IOL is the problem, maybe wait a bit because IOL in the first round isn't typically a good use of a first rounder.

Now, if they consider him a replacement for Tom at RT because Tom is going to solve a problem the Packers have inside, then I get the Morgan pick more.

[LittleRooster]

Most projections have him moving inside because of how short his arms are.

His arms are only a tad shorter than Tom


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Not sure if referencing a tackle that they think can be better playing inside is a good reference point to why he's a tackle

It’s not good to reference a top RT in comparison to Morgan? One that is playing very well there, despite, if true, the Packers wanting to move him.

And we don’t truly know the Packers want to move Tom until that actually happens.


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[Ayt]

I'm surprised people think he's a guard with his feet.

[El Duderino]

For me he has to be able to legitimately play LT for me to like the pick. And I’m not saying he can’t.

When picking this late in the first round, all that really matters to me is that the player chosen, he becomes a quality contributor, regardless of position. It's only busts or very mediocre players when picking late first that hurts a team.

[Ill-yasova]

For me he has to be able to legitimately play LT for me to like the pick. And I’m not saying he can’t.

When picking this late in the first round, all that really matters to me is that the player chosen, he becomes a quality contributor, regardless of position. It's only busts or very mediocre players when picking late first that hurts a team.

Agreed. Elite pass rushers getting moved to either side to exploit matchups so a good starting RT is still very valuable.

[Ervin Johnson]

According to Tony Pauline, the Commanders were trying to trade back into round 1 to get Morgan. https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-nfl-draft-2024-day-2-why-falcons-swooped-michael-penix-jr-bills-plans-wr

[M-C-G]

I'm surprised people think he's a guard with his feet.

I think the arm length is the only reason people keep assuming that. I’ve watched enough today to say even if they start him at guard, they are going to try him at tackle at some point.


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[MVP2110]

I'm surprised people think he's a guard with his feet.

I think the arm length is the only reason people keep assuming that. I’ve watched enough today to say even if they start him at guard, they are going to try him at tackle at some point.


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The arms are definitely part of it but there are some real scouting reasons to think Morgan's best spot is inside. Personally I'd give Morgan the RG job and let Walker/Tom stick at tackle

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