RealGM 2015 Fan Forum Mock Draft - IND #11

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 4:45 pm

The following choices have been made by other fan forums...

1 MIN Karl Anthony Towns
2 LAL Jahlil Okafor
3 PHI D'Angelo Russell
4 NYK Emmanuel Mudiay
5 ORL Justise Winslow
6 SAC Willie Cauley-Stein
7 DEN Mario Hezonja
8 DET Stanley Johnson
9 CHA Kristaps Porzingis
10 MIA Devin Booker
11 IND
12 UTA
13 PHX
14 OKC
15 ATL 
16 BOS
17 MIL
18 HOU
19 WAS
20 TOR
21 DAL
22 CHI
23 POR
24 CLE
25 MEM
26 SAS
27 LAL
28 BOS
29 BKN 
30 GSW

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 8:07 pm

So, I voted Lyles, after much consideration for this reason. He's a young guy that can grow as a long-term 4 here, and MAYBE we could even play some small minutes with PG13 at the 4 and Lyles at the 5. Plus, I just think that one year with David West alone would ensure that a guy like Lyles takes off on the right foot in the NBA.

HOWEVER, I'm not locked on my pick. If there's a tie, I consider my vote switched to any of Payne, Oubre, Kaminsky, or Turner (all in that order).

IF we traded down to 16/28/33 or moved Hibbert for another 1st, I might consider taking Payne here and then if we ended up right around 20 with the second 1st rounder, taking a guy like Portis. Or, take Lyles here and then Grant around 20? You get the jist.

Post #3 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 8:08 pm

But, 24 hours only for a poll won't get you a ton of reaction here. We have busy days, and slow days. This week is looking like slow days. You really might get less than 5 votes; hardly a consensus.

Post #4 » by **pacers33granger** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 10:00 pm

I voted Lyles too. Will be surprised if he's there honestly and as Scoot said, he'd be a good fit for what we need right now. I'd imagine Turner and Payne would be in the mix too though.

Wizop · Post #5 » by **Wizop** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 10:24 pm

I'd take Lyles too but I voted for Kaminsky because I think Bird will go for the Senior over the one and done.

FreeRon · Post #6 » by **FreeRon** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 10:39 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:But, 24 hours only for a poll won't get you a ton of reaction here. We have busy days, and slow days. This week is looking like slow days. You really might get less than 5 votes; hardly a consensus.

Boom. Vote number 5. I went Lyles, too, just because he seems to match the style we want to play more than Kaminsky. I wouldn't be upset with Oubre, but if we go Payne or Grant I hope it's because we traded down. I also thought we were crazy to draft Paul George, though, so it's probably best if nobody listens to me.

Post #7 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 1:51 am

FreeRon wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:But, 24 hours only for a poll won't get you a ton of reaction here. We have busy days, and slow days. This week is looking like slow days. You really might get less than 5 votes; hardly a consensus.

Boom. Vote number 5. I went Lyles, too, just because he seems to match the style we want to play more than Kaminsky. I wouldn't be upset with Oubre, but if we go Payne or Grant I hope it's because we traded down. I also thought we were crazy to draft Paul George, though, so it's probably best if nobody listens to me.

Long time no see. Wha'cha been up to there, stranger?

Laimbeer · Post #8 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:00 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:But, 24 hours only for a poll won't get you a ton of reaction here. We have busy days, and slow days. This week is looking like slow days. You really might get less than 5 votes; hardly a consensus.

Wish it could be longer but got a late start and there just aren't enough days.

Some other forums have been light as well.

Laimbeer · Post #9 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 7:39 pm

Lyles by a nose! Thanks for playing.

Masterfully · Post #10 » by **Masterfully** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 8:35 pm

I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 10:22 pm

Masterfully wrote:I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

Portis? If so, not at 11. Trade back to around 20, and sure.

Masterfully · Post #12 » by **Masterfully** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 11:00 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Masterfully wrote:I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

Portis? If so, not at 11. Trade back to around 20, and sure.

I'd definitely take Portis over Lyles. On the other hand, Portis reminds me a little of Thomas Robinson.

laydo · Post #13 » by **laydo** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 12:32 am

I think Portis is more fit to the Pacers than Lyles. Lyles is Diaw type player, a big man who knows how to pass and play under good system or around great point guard, which we don't have.

Portis, on the other hand, reminds me more Jason Thompson than Thomas Robinson, but with more energy and effort on the defensive end. He might not be the All-Star player in the future, but he could turn into the next Taj Gibson, IMO.

Post #14 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 12:45 am

Masterfully wrote:I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

I'm not convinced Kaminsky is more ready to play next year than the other guys. He's transitioning from C to PF (not a huge transition, but one nonetheless) and I'm not convinced he has the agility to defend PFs in the NBA. I don't think he'll be able to get his shot off as well against them either. Overall I think he's just as much a project as an NBA player as some of the younger guys. Maybe he can overcome that stuff, but I wouldn't count on him being a rotation guy from day one like some seem to.

FreeRon · Post #15 » by **FreeRon** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 1:01 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:Long time no see. Wha'cha been up to there, stranger?

You know, living the dream. I read the boards almost every day even though there's usually a couple of days between new threads, but I mostly lurk because I'm creepy like that.

Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:43 am

pacers33granger wrote:
Masterfully wrote:I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

I'm not convinced Kaminsky is more ready to play next year than the other guys. He's transitioning from C to PF (not a huge transition, but one nonetheless) and I'm not convinced he has the agility to defend PFs in the NBA. I don't think he'll be able to get his shot off as well against them either. Overall I think he's just as much a project as an NBA player as some of the younger guys. Maybe he can overcome that stuff, but I wouldn't count on him being a rotation guy from day one like some seem to.

I don't know. He showed himself to be more than capable against guys that are assumed to be able to produce in the NBA in Okafor/Towns/WCS. I think he'd be ok.

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:45 am

laydo wrote:I think Portis is more fit to the Pacers than Lyles. Lyles is Diaw type player, a big man who knows how to pass and play under good system or around great point guard, which we don't have.

Portis, on the other hand, reminds me more Jason Thompson than Thomas Robinson, but with more energy and effort on the defensive end. He might not be the All-Star player in the future, but he could turn into the next Taj Gibson, IMO.

I'm not sure that Lyles is a Diaw type player as much as he had to play the SF in order to play at Kentucky. They had WCS. They had Towns. They had Dakari. If he wanted to play more than a few minutes a night, he had to play the SF, and that meant playing away from the basket and passing. The fact that he also played with PG's at Kentucky shouldn't be held against him. It's not like he did at Tech, and he was a powerful player under the basket, too.

Post #18 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:15 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
Masterfully wrote:I would've voted Kaminsky. For Indy I'll take the guy that looks ready to play a role next year over the guy that might be good in a few years.

I'm not convinced Kaminsky is more ready to play next year than the other guys. He's transitioning from C to PF (not a huge transition, but one nonetheless) and I'm not convinced he has the agility to defend PFs in the NBA. I don't think he'll be able to get his shot off as well against them either. Overall I think he's just as much a project as an NBA player as some of the younger guys. Maybe he can overcome that stuff, but I wouldn't count on him being a rotation guy from day one like some seem to.

I don't know. He showed himself to be more than capable against guys that are assumed to be able to produce in the NBA in Okafor/Towns/WCS. I think he'd be ok.

Yeah but the college game is totally different and those guys were 18/19 year olds (except WCS). Guys like Mcdermott, Hansbrough, Morrison, etc. all produced against the best in the country but couldn't do it in the pros. I hate the great white college player comparison, but those guys are similar to Kaminsky in a lot of ways unfortunately. Only guy who was able to make it in the league was Reddick and he had to change his game a lot and work his ass off to become a role player. Plus he had one elite skill (shooting).

I think Kaminsky will be a decent NBA player, but at best a bench big with limitations. Which is fine, but there's so many other guys with much much higher ceilings that will be there for us. And I think Kaminsky has a bunch of work to do to get to the point where he could even be a rotation big in the NBA.

Post #19 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:37 pm

I don't know. Maybe a nicer David West, with longer range?

Post #20 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jun 7, 2015 8:08 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:I don't know. Maybe a nicer David West, with longer range?

Kaminsky? I highly doubt it. West was a double double guy from the start of his college career throughout all 4 years and was leaps and bounds ahead of Kaminsky in defensive stats. He also got to the line at a much higher rate. West clearly had some skills that would translate. Kaminsky really doesn't. We've seen how shooting doesn't always translate when going up against much tougher opponents and there's already questions about his release time being effective.

Based on this scenario, who should be your pick?