chatard5 wrote:The Pacers need a PF, so I thought about how it’d be possible to get Jordan Hill from the Lakers in a sign-and-trade. I am not 100% on this, but a player can be sign-and-traded with a trade exception for another player, correct? It doesn’t have to be just the exception (and picks or whatever) on one side and a player(s) on the other side. How would the S&T change things? I’m sure Jordan Hill would demand more than the max MLE. Therefore I will assume that it is something like 4/$28. If we need to make it the max MLE then let’s do that for hypotheticals and all of that. That would mean we would get Jordan Hill, picks, and a trade exception (for $15.5 minus whatever Jordan Hill would be next year-I assumed $7 mill-which leaves $8.5 million).
Theoretically, if we had interest in Hill, we could just sign him outright. He doesn't really help the machinations of anything for the Lakers, unless they can string this into a 3 team deal with Lin going to Dallas in a S&T, and they try and match salaries for Hibbert. Either way, in this case, we could at most generate a TPE of Hibbert's salary minus Jordan Hill's salary. TPE's aren't so much "traded" as they are used by one team to absorb salary, and then a new one generated by the other team that is trading away more salary than they receive. It's called a "non-simultaneous" trade, in that theoretically, the trade could take up to a year to complete where Indy would acquire someone later on using the rest of Hibbert's salary. It's confusing, but I highly recommend a day to read Larry Coon's CBAFAQ.com . It's the bible for any and all cap questions, and it's organized in a pretty simple way.
chatard5 wrote:2) So I am going to assume that the Lakers made a move to lower their salary so they can take Roy and give up no salary. Or maybe they include a player currently on their roster and make it a 3-team deal. Now this could be 2 separate deals or a 3-way trade, but what about the Pacers giving up Roy and getting David Lee? Their contracts match up, so I believe it is just dependent on the Lakers either moving someone before this trade or in this trade. I don’t think GWS wants to and possibly cannot afford to take back much in a trade. It seems like they would just give David Lee away to any team that can take him, and they may even include a pick to do so (I would still take a top 20 protected pick which would likely be 25-30). The Warriors would save $15.5 million along with whatever fees for being over the tax.
According to Hoopshype, the Pacers salary payroll for 2015/16 was $51.3 heading into free agency, with 8 players under contract. I don’t believe that they’ve announced how much each year is worth in the Monta and Stuckey deals. They likely go up each year, especially since the cap goes up so much-or else that wasn’t very smart on the part of the front office (unless there is some rule I don’t know about, of course). So Monta will make an average of $11/year, but next season it could be something closer to $10-10.5. Then we also add in Stuckey at an average of $7/year (maybe only 6.5 next year), Lavoy at $4 and Myles Turner who should get about $2.8 million next year. That total $24.8 million, but it likely something more like $23.5 million next year. We also lose Roy’s $15.5 and I have us adding about $12 mill. That makes our roster 11 players at about $63.3 million if I’m not mistaken-roughly 4 million under the cap with 4 players still needing to be signed-especially a PF.
They haven't announced the Monta and Stuckey deals, but if the broad numbers are correct (Monta at 4/$44 and Stuckey at 3/$21), then we can use the CBA rules to piece together roughly what each player would make on a standard contract with their max 4.5% raises. Monta's starting salary is roughly around $10.3m, Stuckey's starting salary is roughly about $6.7m. Both of those guys require cap space to sign, so that's $17m commited. Lavoy Allen's 1st year salary is about $3.7m, but since we have full Bird Rights on him, we can make all our other moves and keep his cap hold of the 2 year vet minimum salary (about $947k), make our moves, and then sign Lavoy to his contract with no issues. Myles Turner's cap hold is of $1.96m, but he should sign for the full 120% of scale for a first year salary of about $2.36m. Right now, we have about $60.15m committed to a projected $67.1m salary cap. We could organize the timing of our signings to have about $10m in cap space still.
Look at it this way for the most simplicity. We essentially used every dollar of cap space we projected after David West opted out on Monta Ellis. Theoretically, with Roy Hibbert on the roster, we were full up. Dealing Hibbert theoretically opened up either a $17.8m tpe (his salary plus 15% trade kicker +100k), but then, we re-signed Ronald Stuckey to a large salary that required cap space, and cap space we would not have unless we either don't create a TPE for Hibbert, or immediately renounce that TPE to gain the cap space to then re-sign Stuckey using it.
Long story, either we sign Ellis using cap space, and then dump Hibbert for no TPE and create cap space to sign Stuckey (and additional space still to be used), OR we dealt Hibbert to the Lakers in a 3 way deal where Monta comes in, but then we used our original cap space on Stuckey. Either way, no TPE to acquire Lee's salary for nothing. Sorry mate.
