Roster composition

[imac_21]

I think Hyde is the first #2 RB we've had since Barlow/Gore in 2005 that is able to handle a full workload (~20 carries per game). How does this affect the roster? Is LMJ, who has never been used efficiently/properly/effectively in our offense, on the outside looking in? With Gore, Hyde and Winston (based solely off yesterday's game) at HB, could we go into the season with only 3 HBs and 1 FB?

If so, where does the extra body go? Is it an opportunity to keep an extra WR (Lloyd)? Do we keep an extra OLB with Aldon's suspension looming (Aldo, Brooks, Skuta, Lemonier, Lynch)? Do we keep an extra DB (Reid, Bethea, Cully, Brock, Ward, Spillman, Morris, Acker)? Do we keep an extra ILB? DL?

There's also a lot of talk that we will finally, as I've been wanting for years, carry only 2 QBs. How would everyone like to see the roster breakdown?

Offense (23)
QB (2) - Kap and Gabbert (by default)
HB (3) - Gore, Hyde and Winston
FB (1) - Miller
WR (6) - Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington, Lloyd/Osgood
TE (3) - Davis, McDonald, Carrier
Ol (8) - Staley, Iupati, Kilgore, Looney, Davis, Netter, M. Martin, J. Martin

Defense (23)
DL (6) - Smith, Williams, McDonald, Carradine, Dial, TJE (Dorsey IR-R)
ILB (4) - WIllis, Wilhoite, Borland, Moody (Bowman NFI/PUP)
OLB (5)- Aldon, Brooks, Lemonier, Lynch, Skuta
CB (5) - Brock, Culliver, Ward, Morris, Acker
S (3) - Reid, Bethea, Spillman,

ST (3)
K- Dawson
P - Lee
LS - McDermott

That's 49 players. It leaves 3 spots to be designated for ST with guys like Ventrone, Osgood, Dahl. It would also give the chance to keep someone like Dontae Johnson on the 53 man and not expose him to waivers to get him on the PS.

Speaking of the PS, I'm not 100% clear on the new rules, but there are 10 spots now.
L'Damian Washington
Skov
Asante Cleveland
2 of the young OL
Okoye
Ramsey or Purcell

2 spots reserved for guys cut from other teams.

[DreDinis21]

I agree with your list and would want to have Johnson, Osgood, and begrudgingly Dahl only because of lack of S depth. I liked McCray in the early pre-season but haven't seen as much of him.

I think having a guy like Borland makes the need to keep an extra ST specialist less pressing.

[trancemeister]

I really hope they finally cut ties with LMJ. I feel comfortable having watched Ellington field kicks and punts in the 3 game so far. We just do not have the offensive game planning to take advantage of LMJ and he has no business playing as a between the tackles RB. The only downside to that is if Ellington gets hurt or get the jitters, don't think we have anyone who I would feel comfortable returns kicks/punts in his place.

I think we let Lloyd go - just hasn't stayed healthy and we can probably pick him up if the need arises down the road due to injuries.

EDIT: I take it Netter is gone if by some miracle Boone is back?

[imac_21]

I take it Netter is gone if by some miracle Boone is back?

Yep.

[clyde21]

I don't know. I'm not particularly excited about this roster quite honestly. We need Kaep, Gore, and Hyde to step up big time.

[trancemeister]

I'm also a little disappointed with Stevie. I realize that it takes a while to develop chemistry etc etc but what I've seen thus far hasn't given me much hope for big things from him early in the season.


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[Jtymer49er]

1. Lamichael James needs to go - I want the ball in Ellington's hands as much as possible.

2. I don't know how we keep Dontae, Morris, and Acker but I like them all and will be dissapointed if we lose any of them to other teams.

3. Stevie Johnson has shown nothing to date and I wouldn't mind cutting him to make an extra spot...plus that opens the door for Ellington/Patton to have a bigger impact offensively.

[49rangER]

Ill say the The RB battle just got that much more intriguing with Winston's play yesterday. We usually keep lots of rbs throughout the year so that could possibly make keeping LMJ a possibility. Especially if we suffer any injuries mid year.

I would think we roll with gore, Hyde, LMJ and Winston to start the year. Tukuafu was just hurt as well which takes a FB away. I believe trey Millard is hurt too if I'm not mistaken. Which would make it more of a possibility LMJ sticks. I don't see Hampton making it as he has PS eligibility left and smith hasn't shown a lot.

I don't really know what they will do because as you said we could always use WR depth as we always have depth issues there late in the year.

The aldon issue and bowman issue make sense for keeping more LBs.

And the uncertainty of the DBS also makes sense keeping some of the talent as to not have them poached.

It's going to be a hard decision for Harbs and co this year.

As Clyde said I'm not fully confident right now.


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[Jtymer49er]

Yeah that cat playing rb against the chargers looked pretty good. Never heard of him but I'd rather run him in a game than LMJ. Also, I can't wait to see Millard when he gets healthy. I always liked him at OU.

[trancemeister]

3. Stevie Johnson has shown nothing to date and I wouldn't mind cutting him to make an extra spot...plus that opens the door for Ellington/Patton to have a bigger impact offensively.

I'm not sure I would go so far as the cut him outright. A 4th is a fairly steep price to pay to get rid of him so fast. Hopefully with some time he will develop a connection with Kap.


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[Jtymer49er]

I get that's conventional wisdom but we have a team in our division that has built a pretty nice team on the premise that it dosen't matter where you were drafted or how much your salary is, the best men will play. I wouldn't mind if we took that approach as well.

[CrimsonCrew]

I think Hyde is the first #2 RB we've had since Barlow/Gore in 2005 that is able to handle a full workload (~20 carries per game). How does this affect the roster? Is LMJ, who has never been used efficiently/properly/effectively in our offense, on the outside looking in? With Gore, Hyde and Winston (based solely off yesterday's game) at HB, could we go into the season with only 3 HBs and 1 FB?

If so, where does the extra body go? Is it an opportunity to keep an extra WR (Lloyd)? Do we keep an extra OLB with Aldon's suspension looming (Aldo, Brooks, Skuta, Lemonier, Lynch)? Do we keep an extra DB (Reid, Bethea, Cully, Brock, Ward, Spillman, Morris, Acker)? Do we keep an extra ILB? DL?

There's also a lot of talk that we will finally, as I've been wanting for years, carry only 2 QBs. How would everyone like to see the roster breakdown?

Offense (23)
QB (2) - Kap and Gabbert (by default)
HB (3) - Gore, Hyde and Winston
FB (1) - Miller
WR (6) - Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington, Lloyd/Osgood
TE (3) - Davis, McDonald, Carrier
Ol (8) - Staley, Iupati, Kilgore, Looney, Davis, Netter, M. Martin, J. Martin

Defense (23)
DL (6) - Smith, Williams, McDonald, Carradine, Dial, TJE (Dorsey IR-R)
ILB (4) - WIllis, Wilhoite, Borland, Moody (Bowman NFI/PUP)
OLB (5)- Aldon, Brooks, Lemonier, Lynch, Skuta
CB (5) - Brock, Culliver, Ward, Morris, Acker
S (3) - Reid, Bethea, Spillman,

ST (3)
K- Dawson
P - Lee
LS - McDermott

That's 49 players. It leaves 3 spots to be designated for ST with guys like Ventrone, Osgood, Dahl. It would also give the chance to keep someone like Dontae Johnson on the 53 man and not expose him to waivers to get him on the PS.

Speaking of the PS, I'm not 100% clear on the new rules, but there are 10 spots now.
L'Damian Washington
Skov
Asante Cleveland
2 of the young OL
Okoye
Ramsey or Purcell

2 spots reserved for guys cut from other teams.

I can't see us cutting LMJ. I don't like him, never have, and we don't use him the way we should, but he's the only thing even resembling a change of pace back that we have right now. He's also one of two or three skill players on offense that has legit speed, even if he rarely shows it. I'd be surprised if anyone plucked Winston off the PS after one good game. After all Thomas Clayton is long out of the league, and Anthony Dixon isn't sticking around for his running abilities.

I have Seymour over Netter, and at least as of now, M. Martin on the PUP. I probably keep Bykowski in that case.

Otherwise, no real objections. Given that we're counting Ward as a CB, I probably keep Johnson, too. No way he survives on waivers. Backup safety scares the hell out of me, though. Hopefully Morris can cover the slot guy effectively, because if Spillman or Dahl gets significant PT at either safety spot, we're in a world of hurt.

[imac_21]

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49e ... 6_30456366

Real cuts and moves

The San Francisco 49ers announced on Monday that they have waived the following seven players: quarterback McLeod Bethel-Thompson, safety D.J. Campbell, tight end Kevin Greene, running back Jewel Hampton, punt Colton Schmidt, linebacker Kion Wilson and wide receiver Devon Wylie. The team also released wide receiver David Reed.

Additionally, the 49ers placed running back Marcus Lattimore, fullback Trey Millard, cornerback Keith Reaser and guard Brandon Thomas on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury List. Linebacker NaVorro Bowman, tight end Garrett Celek and defensive tackle Kaleb Ramsey were placed on the Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform List.

The 49ers also released linebacker Blake Costanzo from the Injured Reserve List.

The 49ers roster currently stands at 75 and must be trimmed to 53 by 1:00 p.m. on Saturday.

[imac_21]

No real surprises. It's nice having all those guys to go on various injury lists as it reduces the number of cuts necessary. No lineman from either side of the ball.

McBLT would have been a surprise if it didn't come out earlier that Kap will play next week.

[CrimsonCrew]

Realized I misspoke above. Marcus Martin isn't available fro the PUP.

[CalamityX12]

My take....

QB - Kap & Gab(puke)
RB - Gore, Hyde & LMJ(change of pace, not saying Hyde is slow but LMJ is in the forefront of RB speed IMO)
FB - Miller
WR - Crabs, Boldin, Stevie, Patton, Ellington
TE - Davis, McDonald & Carrier
OL - Staley, Iupati, Kilgore, Looney, Davis, Snyder, J Martin, M Martin(?, don't know how this works due to injury)
Total = 22

DL - J Smith, Ian, Ray, Tank, Dial, TJE, Dorsey(if able to return)
ILB - Willis, Whilhoite, Borland, Moody(Bowman return if)
OLB - Aldon, Brooks, Lemonade, Lynch, Skuta
CB - Brock, Cully, Ward, Johnson, Cox, Morris
S - Reid, Bethea(fail), Spillman
Total = 25

K - Dawson
P - Lee
LS - McDermott
Total = 3

That's 50 players with Osgood, Ventrone & Acker rounding 53....

pending on Dorsey's realistic availability, I can see Ramsey coming on or going with an addt'l OL

[49rangER]

Well it seems fangio hinted as Dahl being the backup safety and will most likely make the team.


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[WarFan]

I'll take a stab at it.

22 Offense
QB (2): Kaepernick, Gabbert
RB (3): Gore, Hyde, James
I really don't think Smith or Winston are worth a roster spot to start the season. One of them or someone similar will be available later in the season if needed.
FB (1): Miller
Same as last year, if Miller gets hurt Tukuafu will most likely still be available or the offense can adapt.
TE (3): Davis, McDonald, Carrier
WR (5): Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington
I think these five are just about guaranteed a spot although it would not shock me if Johnson is cut/traded.
OT (3): Staley, Davis, Martin
OG (3): Iupati, Looney, Snyder
C (2): Kilgore, Martin
JMartin and especially Snyder have enough versatility to cover all the spots in case of injury. Not entirely convinced MMartin will be held on the roster instead of IR.

3 Special Teams
K (1): Dawson
P (1): Lee
LS (1): McDermott

22 Defense
DL (6): Smith, McDonald, Williams, Carradine, Jerrod-Eddie, Dial
Not bothering to differentiate the positions here as everybody moves around.
OLB (4): Brooks, Lemonier, Skuta, Lynch
ILB (4): Willis, Wilhoite, Borland, Moody
CB (4): Brock, Culliver, Morris, Johnson
I've got Johnson as a lock since he was a 4th round pick and has the size/speed/smarts just needs more experience at CB.
S (4): Reid, Bethea, Ward, Dahl
Personally, I'd probably cut Dahl, but coaches comments this week make it sound like he'll make it.

These are the 47 I think are basically a lock to make the roster and it leaves 6 spots.
One spot will be used initially by Dorsey until he can be placed on the short term IR, and I'm assuming that Aldon's suspension is announced by Friday so that they don't have to use a roster spot on him to start.

My picks for the last 5 spots:
CB Cook
I don't think both he and Cox will make the team from the start and they've already released Cox before.
CB Acker
He's shown too much to hide on the PS.
WR Lloyd
Seems like Kap and the coaches really want him on the team even though I don't see the need. As a vet he could be cut initially and then added after a game or two.
S Spillman
I think he takes a spot over Ventrone as the younger special teams ace and also because Ventrone is currently nursing a hammy.
OL Seymour
With the injury to MMartin, probably wise to hold onto one more OL for a while instead of trying to get him through to the PS.

When Dorsey goes on IR, they'll bring back Osgood.

Last 5 cuts: DL Dobbs, S Ventrone, CB Cox, OT Bykowski, QB Johnson

10 PS:
QB Faulkner
RB Winston
WR Washington
TE Cleveland
OL Bykowski
OL Farrell
DL Okoye
DT Purcell
LB Skov
S McCray

[CrimsonCrew]

Maiocco's take:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/project ... man-roster

Basically the same as mine, though I'd prefer to see Seymour over Snyder. I don't love keeping all of Dahl, Spillman, and Ventrone, none of whom really has positional value, but Dahl appears to be the #2 safety and the other two are STs stalwarts.