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Bingo_AlphaMan wrote:Antonio Brown - WR - Steelers
The Steelers would absorb a $21.12 million dead-money cap hit if they traded Antonio Brown prior to June 1.
In other words, it's not happening. The Athletic's Mark Kaboly confidently writes that "Brown isn't going anywhere" and "will be there lined up in his usual spot like nothing ever happened" come Week 1 of next season. Brown's cap number is $22.165 million for 2019, so trading him would "save" just $1.045 million in cap space if done so before June 1. That's absolutely not worth trading one of the league's very best players, even if A.B. has become a headache. It's worth the headache still. Brown turns 31 this summer and is signed through 2021 after inking an extension in February 2017. A post-June 1 trade would save over $15.1 million, so that would make it more palatable. We still don't believe Brown will actually be dealt.
Source: The Athletic
Jan 1 - 10:58 PM
CrimsonCrew wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think WR is the glaring need that others appear to. Don't get me wrong, WR is probably our second biggest need on offense after interior OL (and maybe a replacement for Staley/RT), and it would be great to have an elite talent at WR. I hope that we add a guy in the offseason who will at least compete for a starting spot next year. That said, with mediocre talent at QB, our offense did alright for much of the year. We were 16th in yards, and 21st in points. Now, some of that can be chalked up to playing catch-up, but I think we'd be okay going into 2019 with Goodwin and Bourne outside, Pettis in the slot (outside in two-receiver sets), Kittle at TE, and McKinnon at RB on obvious passing downs. There are obviously some health questions there, but if those guys are all on the field, that's a decent group of pass catchers.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think WR is the glaring need that others appear to. Don't get me wrong, WR is probably our second biggest need on offense after interior OL (and maybe a replacement for Staley/RT), and it would be great to have an elite talent at WR. I hope that we add a guy in the offseason who will at least compete for a starting spot next year. That said, with mediocre talent at QB, our offense did alright for much of the year. We were 16th in yards, and 21st in points. Now, some of that can be chalked up to playing catch-up, but I think we'd be okay going into 2019 with Goodwin and Bourne outside, Pettis in the slot (outside in two-receiver sets), Kittle at TE, and McKinnon at RB on obvious passing downs. There are obviously some health questions there, but if those guys are all on the field, that's a decent group of pass catchers.
49er4life1979 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think WR is the glaring need that others appear to. Don't get me wrong, WR is probably our second biggest need on offense after interior OL (and maybe a replacement for Staley/RT), and it would be great to have an elite talent at WR. I hope that we add a guy in the offseason who will at least compete for a starting spot next year. That said, with mediocre talent at QB, our offense did alright for much of the year. We were 16th in yards, and 21st in points. Now, some of that can be chalked up to playing catch-up, but I think we'd be okay going into 2019 with Goodwin and Bourne outside, Pettis in the slot (outside in two-receiver sets), Kittle at TE, and McKinnon at RB on obvious passing downs. There are obviously some health questions there, but if those guys are all on the field, that's a decent group of pass catchers.
Not sure about Goodwin. I don't think he can consistently hold up over a 16 game season. He's better as a package player. I'd start Bourne and Pettis, with backups Taylor and Goodwin. WRs are ok, especially with Jimmy G coming back.
NinerSickness wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think WR is the glaring need that others appear to. Don't get me wrong, WR is probably our second biggest need on offense after interior OL (and maybe a replacement for Staley/RT), and it would be great to have an elite talent at WR. I hope that we add a guy in the offseason who will at least compete for a starting spot next year. That said, with mediocre talent at QB, our offense did alright for much of the year. We were 16th in yards, and 21st in points. Now, some of that can be chalked up to playing catch-up, but I think we'd be okay going into 2019 with Goodwin and Bourne outside, Pettis in the slot (outside in two-receiver sets), Kittle at TE, and McKinnon at RB on obvious passing downs. There are obviously some health questions there, but if those guys are all on the field, that's a decent group of pass catchers.
The offense will definitely be a lot better w/ Jimmy back, and they have some good talent (outside of RG) on offense. But I'm pretty excited about the prospect of trading for OBJ. Antonio Brown, not so much; he's 31 and every Steelers' #1 WR looks all-world.
Niners have the cap room to absorb a guy like OBJ. And it shouldn't cost an arm & a leg due to his high cap number.
Bald Bull wrote:NinerSickness wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think WR is the glaring need that others appear to. Don't get me wrong, WR is probably our second biggest need on offense after interior OL (and maybe a replacement for Staley/RT), and it would be great to have an elite talent at WR. I hope that we add a guy in the offseason who will at least compete for a starting spot next year. That said, with mediocre talent at QB, our offense did alright for much of the year. We were 16th in yards, and 21st in points. Now, some of that can be chalked up to playing catch-up, but I think we'd be okay going into 2019 with Goodwin and Bourne outside, Pettis in the slot (outside in two-receiver sets), Kittle at TE, and McKinnon at RB on obvious passing downs. There are obviously some health questions there, but if those guys are all on the field, that's a decent group of pass catchers.
The offense will definitely be a lot better w/ Jimmy back, and they have some good talent (outside of RG) on offense. But I'm pretty excited about the prospect of trading for OBJ. Antonio Brown, not so much; he's 31 and every Steelers' #1 WR looks all-world.
Niners have the cap room to absorb a guy like OBJ. And it shouldn't cost an arm & a leg due to his high cap number.
There is no chance of us getting OBJ.
Bald Bull wrote:After speaking to brown on facetime Jerry Rice says Brown wants to be a 49er really bad.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25760587/jerry-rice-antonio-brown-wants-san-francisco-49ers-really-bad
ChrisPozz wrote:Bald Bull wrote:After speaking to brown on facetime Jerry Rice says Brown wants to be a 49er really bad.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25760587/jerry-rice-antonio-brown-wants-san-francisco-49ers-really-bad
Rice said he's not worried that Brown wouldn't fit in the 49ers' culture.
"Not a question. No hesitation at all," he said.
Rice said that if he were making the call, he'd definitely trade for Brown.
"If it was left up to me, he'd be here in a heartbeat."
It's this type of stuff in the broad sense that made Rice an awful, ALL-TIME bad TV analyst when he tried to do it. He had no sense, awareness or feel for anything outside of what players FEEL as they're playing the game. When he was asked to play coach or GM in spots he was just terrible and really bad because it was all emotion and feeling from him. He seems incapable most of the time at looking at a situation outside of how a player and/or fan feels toward something. He likes player X. He sees player X is good right now. He's sold and he projects time after time that you do whatever you have to, to go get player X. That's Jerry Rice.
Sorry. I just haven't been able to listen to Rice since a couple of years before he quit the game. He's terrible. He's awful. I wish others wouldn't go to him so they can put his take out there on football-related matters. I know he has a small relationship with AB and all that so there's a hair more value here than with some other situations but the "no hesitation at all" and "definitely trade for him" and "he'd be here in a heartbeat" is such garbage and it's SO JERRY RICE.
Sorry.
And I don't say ANY of that for LIKELY being against a realistic trade scenario for Brown. That's not why I say that about Rice. Even if I was completely down and in the boat that wants to trade for Brown I'd still say this. It has nothing to do with how I feel about trading for Brown. Honestly, I'm not even COMPLETELY against it until I knew some more things...even though I'm far more against it than I am for it.
(I still think he's a Steeler next year anyway).
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Was it Rice who said he would trade the #2 pick today for Brown?
CrimsonCrew wrote:ChrisPozz wrote:Bald Bull wrote:After speaking to brown on facetime Jerry Rice says Brown wants to be a 49er really bad.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25760587/jerry-rice-antonio-brown-wants-san-francisco-49ers-really-bad
Rice said he's not worried that Brown wouldn't fit in the 49ers' culture.
"Not a question. No hesitation at all," he said.
Rice said that if he were making the call, he'd definitely trade for Brown.
"If it was left up to me, he'd be here in a heartbeat."
It's this type of stuff in the broad sense that made Rice an awful, ALL-TIME bad TV analyst when he tried to do it. He had no sense, awareness or feel for anything outside of what players FEEL as they're playing the game. When he was asked to play coach or GM in spots he was just terrible and really bad because it was all emotion and feeling from him. He seems incapable most of the time at looking at a situation outside of how a player and/or fan feels toward something. He likes player X. He sees player X is good right now. He's sold and he projects time after time that you do whatever you have to, to go get player X. That's Jerry Rice.
Sorry. I just haven't been able to listen to Rice since a couple of years before he quit the game. He's terrible. He's awful. I wish others wouldn't go to him so they can put his take out there on football-related matters. I know he has a small relationship with AB and all that so there's a hair more value here than with some other situations but the "no hesitation at all" and "definitely trade for him" and "he'd be here in a heartbeat" is such garbage and it's SO JERRY RICE.
Sorry.
And I don't say ANY of that for LIKELY being against a realistic trade scenario for Brown. That's not why I say that about Rice. Even if I was completely down and in the boat that wants to trade for Brown I'd still say this. It has nothing to do with how I feel about trading for Brown. Honestly, I'm not even COMPLETELY against it until I knew some more things...even though I'm far more against it than I am for it.
(I still think he's a Steeler next year anyway).
I agree. I'll listen to 95.7 the Game in the mornings on the way to work sometimes. They have Rice on every Monday morning, and I almost always change the station when he comes on. I just don't find that he has much to offer in terms of that type of commentary. It's odd. I'd almost say he's lazy, which doesn't mesh at all with Rice the player, but his commentary is on a level with those guys who get one-year gigs on the sports networks and are then gone because they just don't have anything to offer and don't seem interested in doing the work to learn more and improve. I guess it's a completely different style of work, though not so different from, say, film study. I'm not sure how much film Rice watched back in the day, though. WR strikes me as a position where you could get away with doing less of it.
Was it Rice who said he would trade the #2 pick today for Brown?
Bald Bull wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Was it Rice who said he would trade the #2 pick today for Brown?
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