49ers to give Kyle Shanahan new 6-year contract

[Jikkle]

Kyle and Lynch won't be fired until the end of the 2022 season at the earliest barring some scandal that forces York's hand.

Once they drafted Lance you pretty much have no choice but to give Kyle a chance with him and we all knew Lance was going to be at least a year project.

York isn't going to be eager to fire Shanahan or Lynch since those hires dramatically improved the reputation of the franchise and thus salvaged York's reputation. Aside from the product on the field I will give Shanahan/Lynch credit for cleaning up the front office and running a far more professional and stable operation than what happened before.

At the very least that salvaged reputation should make the job desirable if/when Shanahan and Lynch get the boot.

[wco81]

They should have traded for Stafford.

Rams gave up two first-rounders but that was for getting rid of Goff's contract.

Matthew Stafford has spent his entire NFL career trying to rebuild the Detroit Lions franchise -- he was due for an upgrade and he just found one. In a blockbuster trade, the Lions sent Stafford to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for the Rams' first-round draft picks in 2022 and 2023, a third-round pick in 2021, and quarterback Jared Goff, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora confirmed. Stafford moves on from a Lions team he struggled to reach the postseason with to a Rams team led by coach Sean McVay that has advanced to at least the divisional round and once the Super Bowl in two of the last three seasons.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matthew-stafford-trade-rams-send-two-first-round-picks-a-third-round-pick-and-jared-goff-to-lions-for-qb/

Trey has a high ceiling but there's no way to know if he will come any close to hitting it.

Instead, the trade is probably job security for Kyle and Lynch.

Stafford would have been a sure franchise QB. Michael Lombardi suggested the 49ers get Stafford a year or two ago. He thought that was the missing piece.

He was right.

[wco81]

Anyone still supporting Shanahan? It's clear by now he's not HC material or that he should be anywhere near player personnel decisions.

That trade, we have to hope it works out but the way he runs the team, including on game days, why would you have confidence in him?

He knows scheme but that's about it. He thinks because he knows Xs and Ox, his **** doesn't stink.

Well one winning season so far. This season, he could eek out a winning season but he may go winless in the division.

What QBs has he developed? The most successful QB he had was Ryan and he inherited him and Julio.

York was stupid enough to give him an extension based on one fluke of a season.

[wco81]

Thinking about Shanahan's conservative play calling, it looked great when they were gashing teams on the ground, especially 2019.

They had a dominant defense that year and being able to pile up big yards and scores through long runs just kind of hid how conservative the play calling was all along.

That kind of running game was never going to be sustainable, game after game, year after year.

So when defenses loaded up against the run, they hadn't developed a good consistent ball-control passing game, which is what you get out of the west coast offense. They also couldn't depend on easier medium passes off play action.


I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle runs a similar offense for Trey. I don't see him letting Lance improvise like Josh Allen or Mahomes.

He didn't even like it when Beathard won one game by making some big "off-schedule" plays. He wants his plays run as he drew it up.

He will try runs to see if they break. For one thing, the team doesn't have enough weapons downfield. So continue to see a lot of screen passes and pitches, maybe bring back some jet sweeps if they can get production from a regular RB so he doesn't have to run Samuel as much.

[superunknown]

in the last 3 post season L team with shanahan as OC or HC have been outscored 53 to nothing in the 4th quarter:

19-0 in 2017
21-0 in 2019
13-0 yersterday

how can such brilliant offensive mind (at least according to most) be that bad in the fourth quarter? how come his team cannot hold on to the lead get caught up and eventually defeated? how come team offensively conk out in the fourth to the point they can't even score a FG? all because of jimmyG? jimmyG wasn't the QB in 2017, it was ryan, and although he ain't brady he's no scrub. so?
at some point he will have to be acconutable for that. 'cause this is getting ugly.

[thesack12]

Say what you want about this regime, and they do deserve some criticism, but they are quietly running a HC and GM factory.

They have only been in place since 2017.

They already saw 2 of their former front office personnel get GM jobs. Martin Mayhew becoming the Washington GM, and after a pit stop in Cleveland Kwesi Mensah became the Minnesota GM. They also have 2 additional guys Adam Peters and Ron Carthon who got GM interviews during this year's cycle.

They also have seen 2 former assistant coaches get head coaching gigs. Former DC Robert Saleh becoming HC of the Jets last season, and former OC Mike McDaniel becoming HC of the Dolphins this season. Current DC DeMeco Ryans got HC interviews during this cycle as well, and was a finalist for the Viking job before withdrawing himself from consideration.

They inherited a team that was 5-11 and 2-14 the previous two years before they arrived. They have turned that team around and got to a Super Bowl and an NFCCG. While we are all disappointed they have yet to be able to bring home Lombardi #6, that definitely is not a bad 5 year run.

[wco81]

Shanahan's coaching record is 39-42, despite finishing on a good run the last 1/3 of the season.

Only two winning seasons and playoff appearances.

He was in danger of having another losing season, with a bad string of losses in the first half of the season.

It's going to rest on how quickly he can get Trey up to speed and fixing the secondary and the OL.

Not going to get easier, I don't think the Rams will be in salary cap hell yet next season.

[thesack12]

Shanahan's coaching record is 39-42, despite finishing on a good run the last 1/3 of the season.

Only two winning seasons and playoff appearances.

He was in danger of having another losing season, with a bad string of losses in the first half of the season.

It's going to rest on how quickly he can get Trey up to speed and fixing the secondary and the OL.

Not going to get easier, I don't think the Rams will be in salary cap hell yet next season.

The overall record needs some context.

They inherited a 2-14 team

Need to afford them some time to get their feet under them and install their vision, ended first season on a 5 game win streak
Lost their QB1 after 3 games in 2018.
13-3 and Super Bowl berth in 2019.
Biblical wave of injuries that depleted the roster in 2020, including not having QB1 for 10 games.
10-7 and NFCCG appearance in 2021.

Its up to each person's individual opinion how much credence they will give to injuries playing a factor into the overall record. While yes, every team has to navigate injuries its incredibly tough to overcome not having your QB1 for extended periods of time.

If you are going to knock them for a rough 3-5 start, you also need to credit them for a strong 7-2 finish. Also need to credit them for beating a 12 win Dallas team on the road in the playoffs and a 13 win Green Bay team on the road in the playoffs.

All that said, you are certainly correct that their lasting legacy hinges on Trey Lance. They chose Trey to shape the future of the 49ers and in turn their own job securities.

Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what LA's 2022 cap situation looks like but I do know their draft pick cupboard is basically empty this year and its low stocked in 2023. They will probably be a strong squad for the next year or 2, but the severe shortage of draft picks will likely result in a steady decline for that team. Perhaps even a sharp one in the not too distant future.

In other NFC west news, Kyler Murray scrubbed his social media of all Cardinals content and he unfollowed the team. It probably winds up being a non story in the end, but as we stand here now it makes you wonder what that is all about?

[righterwriter]

Shanahan's coaching record is 39-42, despite finishing on a good run the last 1/3 of the season.

Only two winning seasons and playoff appearances.

He was in danger of having another losing season, with a bad string of losses in the first half of the season.

It's going to rest on how quickly he can get Trey up to speed and fixing the secondary and the OL.

Not going to get easier, I don't think the Rams will be in salary cap hell yet next season.

How many coaches in the NFL have coached their teams to multiple conference championship games the last three seasons. I can count:

Andy Reid

That's it.

Are you seriously unhappy about the teams Kyle has coached and Lynch has put together since our 2-14 Tomsula/Chip Kelly years?

[wco81]

I'm saying Kyle won't lead the 49ers to a SB victory.

Keep letting him run drafts and player personnel and the 49ers will always come up short.

He has a bad record in big games, big leads only to give them up.

[CrimsonCrew]

I think Kyle is a good coach, but it's not clear he's a great one. I've said a lot of this before, but he has a great locker room, the players seem to like him, he's a sharp offensive mind, and he's done a very good job of building up a top-quality staff. Those are big things, and can't be understated. He's almost gotten what was a bad team to the mountaintop twice in five years. But he does have shortcomings.

His in-game management leaves a lot to be desired, he's very conservative (curious to see how much of this is due to Garoppolo, but I think it's mostly him) in a day and age when coaches are largely going in the opposite direction when the numbers dictate it, his teams can get really sloppy and have poor execution, and it's his defense that has carried the team in the biggest games.

The personnel side is separate, and again, a mixed bag. Ultimately, I've got to give him high marks as the team is very talented. But man, have there been a lot of misses and blunders, and they've repeatedly grossly overpaid in FA or to trade up to take some guy that probably wasn't going that high in the draft. I'd like to see Shanahan in particular less involved in the high draft picks. As talented as this team is, they could have had Lattimore (assuming we weren't going QB that year), Derwin James, Wirfs instead of guys like Thomas, McGlinchey, and Kinlaw. Not to mention McLaurin over Hurd, Goedert over Pettis, etc. Those are names people on here were calling for before and during those drafts, not hindsight. Especially in light of the Lance trade, we've got to do a better job hitting on the high picks.

[wco81]

BTW, I'm hoping to be proven wrong about all of this.

A lot will depend on how quickly Trey develops. If he can be in the top half among starting QBs by end of first season, that would be a good benchmark.

But he has to be able to take the team on a deep playoff run before the end of his rookie contract or else the trade will be miss, maybe a disaster.

A QB on a rookie deal who performs like Burrow for instance is a huge asset. Bengals have a lot of cap space but they're in a competitive division and conference so it's not clear they will return to the SB again during Burrow's rookie deal, let alone win it all.

But they have a huge leg up right now with Burrow and all those stud skills players. In 2-3 seasons though, those players and Burrow start getting very expensive and the team will have to rely on starters on rookie contracts in other positions.

49ers have to make Hay before Trey's extension kicks in. That is if he shows he deserves a huge extension, in the $40 million a year range.

Those are the difficult questions the Cards are facing with Murray now and the Browns with Mayfield.

[Pattersonca65]

Shanahan's coaching record is 39-42, despite finishing on a good run the last 1/3 of the season.

Only two winning seasons and playoff appearances.

He was in danger of having another losing season, with a bad string of losses in the first half of the season.

It's going to rest on how quickly he can get Trey up to speed and fixing the secondary and the OL.

Not going to get easier, I don't think the Rams will be in salary cap hell yet next season.

The overall record needs some context.

They inherited a 2-14 team

Need to afford them some time to get their feet under them and install their vision, ended first season on a 5 game win streak
Lost their QB1 after 3 games in 2018.
13-3 and Super Bowl berth in 2019.
Biblical wave of injuries that depleted the roster in 2020, including not having QB1 for 10 games.
10-7 and NFCCG appearance in 2021.

Its up to each person's individual opinion how much credence they will give to injuries playing a factor into the overall record. While yes, every team has to navigate injuries its incredibly tough to overcome not having your QB1 for extended periods of time.

If you are going to knock them for a rough 3-5 start, you also need to credit them for a strong 7-2 finish. Also need to credit them for beating a 12 win Dallas team on the road in the playoffs and a 13 win Green Bay team on the road in the playoffs.

All that said, you are certainly correct that their lasting legacy hinges on Trey Lance. They chose Trey to shape the future of the 49ers and in turn their own job securities.

Off the top of my head, I'm not sure what LA's 2022 cap situation looks like but I do know their draft pick cupboard is basically empty this year and its low stocked in 2023. They will probably be a strong squad for the next year or 2, but the severe shortage of draft picks will likely result in a steady decline for that team. Perhaps even a sharp one in the not too distant future.

In other NFC west news, Kyler Murray scrubbed his social media of all Cardinals content and he unfollowed the team. It probably winds up being a non story in the end, but as we stand here now it makes you wonder what that is all about?

The rams have already spent their 2022 salary cap and are sitting at -14 million. They are among the bottom in salary cap. They had about $42 million in dead cap money. Quite a bit of kicking the can down the road. I agree they will probably be fine the next year or so but their all in approach is going to get them. Time to pay the piper. No team has ever had sustained success with this type of approach since free agency was instituted.

[CrimsonCrew]

Re: Murray, it got worse than just scrubbing his social media accounts. There were reports coming out about how he isn't a leader, not working hard, putting his ear buds in and talking to his GF in the locker room instead of interacting with teammates. Then he came out with a mini rant on social media about being who he's always been, loving the game, etc.

I kind of wrote off the initial report, but the subsequent information raises some legit questions about his future with the franchise.

[wco81]

There are going to be bad losses every season.

But this is a pattern, dominate the first half but only up 1 or 2 scores at most

Then completely disappear the second half.

That happened 2 or 3 times last year. Remember the Seattle game at Levis.


Mediocre at best personnel management combined with poor game management.

[wco81]

History isn't going to repeat itself but I have to wonder if another coaching staff wouldn't do a much better job with this roster..

Kind of like how Harbaugh's staff instantly turned around the team in his very first season.

[wco81]

We see play calling and game management deficiencies which explain why he’s under .500, squandering so many 1 possession games, giving up small leads eventually.

They’re backed to their end zone and Kyle calls a slow developing play action that results in a safety before Jimmy runs out of the end zone? Trent Williams gets injured off that play, which might have gotten a decent gain with the run.

Squanders another great defensive performance.

There will continue to be more losses like this.

[wco81]

This KC game should disabuse anyone of the notion that the 49ers are title contenders.

No way they hang with KC, Buffalo, Philly.

Probably not with Dallas either.

The Jets and Giants would beat this team as well.

The apologists for this regime excused all the missed draft picks. On FRPs alone, they've wasted 3: Thomas, Foster and McGlinchey.

Kinlaw is probably headed for being the 4th FRP bust and Trey may yet get there.

But there are of course many 2nd and 3rd round picks which didn't produce at least solid starters:

Witherspoon, Bethard, Pettis, Tarvarius Moore, Jalen Hurd, Sermon, Ambry Thomas.

Yes let's hand wave all these because they hit on Kittle and Michell and DJ Jones, whom they let walk anyways.


Another coaching staff could do better with this roster, without the bone-headed, stubborn play calling.

Kyle got schooled by Andy Reid, which isn't something to be ashamed of, he's a HoF coach and a true genius and play design and play calling.

The sooner the ownership realizes that Kyle isn't it, the sooner they can still try to make something out of the good players on this roster.

But I suspect Shanahan and Lynch will screw up the next two drafts.

[Jikkle]

This KC game should disabuse anyone of the notion that the 49ers are title contenders.

No way they hang with KC, Buffalo, Philly.

Probably not with Dallas either.

The Jets and Giants would beat this team as well.

The apologists for this regime excused all the missed draft picks. On FRPs alone, they've wasted 3: Thomas, Foster and McGlinchey.

Kinlaw is probably headed for being the 4th FRP bust and Trey may yet get there.

But there are of course many 2nd and 3rd round picks which didn't produce at least solid starters:

Witherspoon, Bethard, Pettis, Tarvarius Moore, Jalen Hurd, Sermon, Ambry Thomas.

Yes let's hand wave all these because they hit on Kittle and Michell and DJ Jones, whom they let walk anyways.


Another coaching staff could do better with this roster, without the bone-headed, stubborn play calling.

Kyle got schooled by Andy Reid, which isn't something to be ashamed of, he's a HoF coach and a true genius and play design and play calling.

The sooner the ownership realizes that Kyle isn't it, the sooner they can still try to make something out of the good players on this roster.

But I suspect Shanahan and Lynch will screw up the next two drafts.

I'm more critical of Kyle the coach than Kyle the GM because overall the roster they built is pretty strong and it's weak on parts of the offensive line and critically at QB.

I mean you look at every roster and find guys underperforming relative to their draft status, busts, guys passed on they should've taken, and etc.

But the team just doesn't execute and perform to that talent level. It lacks a certain crispness in execution you see in teams that are really well coached. You see too many penalties, guys blowing assignments, and just other little things that add up.

He's also conservative to a fault and too often he calls a game not to lose or scared of a costly mistake.

Now in his defense he's really been hamstrung with his QBs with one having a low football IQ and having to scheme guys open in a very specific and narrow area of the field and the other one in Lance barely having any experience and needing to get him experience. But not in his defense he's in complete control of the roster and he's created his own mess at QB.

Oddly enough the Lance injury most likely bought him another year at least because I have a difficult time seeing Jed pull the trigger on Shanahan without giving him a chance with Lance.

Also I don't think York is eager to fire Shanahan and Lynch because of what a mess he had prior to those guys. The one thing Shanahan and Lynch have done at least is dramatically rehab Jed's image and the franchise. Because it went from a job that nobody wanted to touch unless you basically fully guaranteed a long contract to one that would be pretty desirable if it opened up in the offseason.

[CrimsonCrew]

Evaluating the FO on personnel matters is an interesting exercise. You look at the personnel decisions they've made, and it looks awful.

Repeated blown high draft picks - and not fluke stuff. Things people were calling out at the time. Almost everyone on this board hated the Thomas pick because we accurately identified that he wasn't an edge rusher. I thought he would have more sucess playing inside than he has, but you don't use such a high pick for that anyway. I loved the Foster pick, but I don't have the resources these guys do to really examine character, and it's clear from his fall in the draft that Foster's were legit. Hated the McGlinchey pick because he wasn't a good pass rusher. Hated the Kinlaw pick because of the position, his rawness, and his injury history. These were things people were identifying at the time, and they have come to pass. And as a team with significant need at the QB position, they passed on both Mahomes and Allen, probably the best QBs of this generation.

The FA record might be worse. Huge contract for a washed Garcon, granted that seemed to be as much about adding a veteran presence as the on-field contribution. Large, inexplicable contract for Malcolm Smith, who was coming off a season in which he was awful. Arguably, that contract is what prevented us from having the cap space to extend Buckner. Big contract for Weston Richburg, who was never really healthy in his tenure. Big contract to Kwon Alexander, who was coming off a serious injury and had tackling issues, both of which showed up during his Niner tenure. Tough to argue that Juice hasn't been worth it, but we still seemed to be negotiating against ourselves to give him a contract that was like three times higher than the next highest-paid player at that position. It's also tough to really evaluate the McKinnon deal as that was injury related, but they gave a ton of money to a guy who hadn't ever carried the load.

That said, those issues are mitigated by two things: 1) most fans don't realize that even the best teams have awful draft and FA records, and 2) they have done an excellent job getting production from late-round draft picks and unheralded FAs. Fans naturally focus on their team, and on the bad decisions specifically. They (myself included) aren't keyed in enough on other teams to really appreciate just how many players in the draft and FA bust. But it happens all the time. Seattle looked like the darlings of the NFL for a while, landing Wilson and defensive talent all over. Then they basically lost any ability to make a competent first- or second-round-pick. NE looked really strong for a while, but then the wheels kind of fell off for them. I reviewed the Steelers' recent draft history in a post a few weeks ago, and it's pretty bad. So the Niners' early round struggles really aren't all that unusual. But their late-round success has been pretty unique. They have found not only starters, but impact players, in later rounds of the draft, and they have been able to bring in cheap re-treads and get at least solid production from them. Most teams don't get much of that.

At the end of the day, purely in terms of personnel evaluation, you have to look at the entire team, and I think the Niners have done a good job of that. This team, on paper, is one of the most talented in the league. But their execution on the field is less than the sum of their parts, and they have constant injury issues. I think Shanahan the Coach has a lot of responsibility for both of those things. And, of course, their QB is mediocre and simply cannot hang with a guy like Mahomes.

If Shanahan is on his way out, though, it will be because of the coaching position, and not his handling of personnel IMO.