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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#561 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:13 pm

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SK21209 wrote:Seems like Blank wanted Belichik but Belichik wanted free run of the place so they went with Morris instead. We're down to just Washington and Seattle for open HC spots now and the rumor is its going to be Ben Johnson for Washington. I think it'll end up being Quinn for Seattle and both Vrabel and Belichik take a year off, or at least wait until someone like the Cowboys or Eagles start next season 1-3 and fire their coach.

Or, in the nightmare scenario, Reid retires after the playoffs and Belichik goes to KC.


Curious as to why you would consider Belichick going to KC to be a nightmare scenario?

From the 49ers perspective, what happens in the AFC is pretty inconsequential.

Hitting closer to home, from an AFC west standpoint I'm not even sure how scary that would be. Its not like KC has been underperforming with Reid at the helm. I'm sure that division and its teams fans would prefer a much less decorated guy than Belichick to step into KC if Reid rides off into the sunset. However, if Reid leaves that would be a pretty big piece getting subtracted from their current dynasty, so in some ways I think it would be somewhat welcomed.


Well I just don't want another Pats-esque 15 year run. They may very well win the SB again this year, but it does seem like this iteration of the Chiefs is coming to an end. Hill is already on another team. Kelce is entering another phase of his career. There was some talk of Reid retiring after last year's SB, I expect to hear more whenever they bow out this year. I really enjoy watching the AFC from afar because of all the good young QBs. I'd love to see Lamar make it one year, then Burrow, then Herbert, etc. I don't want KC making the AFC championship every year for another 10 years.

Belichik probably shouldn't be handling all the personnel decisions at this point, but he's still an awesome defensive gameplanner. This was the first year since Brady left that they were actually bad, he dragged Pats teams with awful offensive talent to 7-9, 10-7 and 8-9 before the wheels came off this year. Give him Mahomes for 5 years and I think they're probably the team to beat every time. I think Mahomes gives you an incredibly high floor on offense (for all the talk about how bad their receivers have been this year, they've been Top 10 in EPA the whole time) and Belichik gives you a very high floor on defense.[/quote

I doubt Belichek is coaching to 87 years old. The oldest coach to ever be a head coach was 73 years old. I doubt BB will be around after few years at most
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#562 » by Jikkle » Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:21 am

wco81 wrote:Lions gave up well over 300 yards to both Stafford and Baker Mayfield.

Also a fair amount of rushing to the Rams.

But ESPN showed a graphic, they pressure on 31% of snaps, which is fourth in the league. I don't know if that's the 2 playoffs games or the whole season. Obviously their best pass rusher is Hutchinson, matched up against the 49ers weakest pass blocker. But they're aggressive with blitzes, particularly from slot CBs or other DBs. Branch is suppose to be big.

They're also dropping a DL back while blitzing from the outside with CBs. But Purdy and the WRs obviously have to make the same hot reads.


I tend to think a blitzing defense works to the 9ers advantage with Purdy's quick processing ability to find the weak spot of the defense that the blitz creates.

I feel the defenses that give Purdy and the offense as a whole trouble are the ones that can cover well and negate Purdy's quick processing by not giving him any quick answers. Because that means he has to wait for someone to get open and the offensive line just can't block long enough to give the time needed for guys to get open.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#563 » by Jikkle » Sun Jan 28, 2024 8:47 pm

Watching the AFC Championship game makes me jealous of teams with good offensive lines.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#564 » by Harry Palmer » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:08 am

Their kicker is good. First rounder?
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#565 » by Jikkle » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:28 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again I wouldn't hate using every single pick of the draft on offensive linemen.

If we had an above-average line as a whole we'd probably be cruising to a Super Bowl championship.

But I wouldn't mind drafting some run-stuffing specialists at defensive line with some picks either. This defensive line really misses DJ Jones and they just need a guy that can swallow up blockers and stuff running plays their way.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#566 » by CharityStripe34 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:56 pm

If the defense shows up similarly in the SB, as they've done in the first halves of these playoffs, the Chiefs will absolutely blow us out of the water and won't look back. They have a very good defense that will exploit the weaknesses of the O-Line.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#567 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:06 pm

Jikkle wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again I wouldn't hate using every single pick of the draft on offensive linemen.

If we had an above-average line as a whole we'd probably be cruising to a Super Bowl championship.

But I wouldn't mind drafting some run-stuffing specialists at defensive line with some picks either. This defensive line really misses DJ Jones and they just need a guy that can swallow up blockers and stuff running plays their way.


Yeah, this team with solid OL play outside Trent would be really, really good. I would love to see two or three draft picks on the OL. Probably try to keep Feliciano around, then hope Burford and Banks can continue to show growth. I think Banks has been playing through an injury, which could partially explain his struggles. But these guys have been too inconsistent all year.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#568 » by 49er4life1979 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:12 pm

Speaking of defense or lack of, I am done with Chase Young. What an overrated, underperformed bum. His lack of effort yesterday was atrocious. Just watch that TD run to the outside by Jahmyr Gibbs. He was lightly jogging and made no effort. He's not much better as a pass rusher either, only 2 1/2 sacks in 10 games with us. I miss Samson Ebukam. Solid edge setter vs run, and good enough for 5-6 sacks a season. I guess DE opposite Bosa still needs addressing.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#569 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:22 pm

49er4life1979 wrote:Speaking of defense or lack of, I am done with Chase Young. What an overrated, underperformed bum. His lack of effort yesterday was atrocious. Just watch that TD run to the outside by Jahmyr Gibbs. He was lightly jogging and made no effort. He's not much better as a pass rusher either, only 2 1/2 sacks in 10 games with us. I miss Samson Ebukam. Solid edge setter vs run, and good enough for 5-6 sacks a season. I guess DE opposite Bosa still needs addressing.


Sure seems that way. Beal has some similarities to Ebukam, so you hope maybe he can contribute. And God Almighty, it would be nice to see anything from Drake Jackson next year. But got to look at that position in the draft and in FA - though our FA money will probably be tight this offseason.

Hargrave has also been pretty quiet lately. He's getting double-teamed a lot, but still, we paid him big bucks to make an impact. He was also on the bench for a lot of obvious rushing downs, with Kinlaw coming in and looking awfully shaky taking on double teams.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#570 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:25 pm

Along those lines, KC OG Joe Thuney was out this past weekend, and pretty likely to be out for the SB, too, from what I'm reading. That would be huge. He and Creed Humphrey at OC are two of the best IOL in the game right now. If he's out, we need those interior DL to make an impact.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#571 » by wco81 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:12 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Along those lines, KC OG Joe Thuney was out this past weekend, and pretty likely to be out for the SB, too, from what I'm reading. That would be huge. He and Creed Humphrey at OC are two of the best IOL in the game right now. If he's out, we need those interior DL to make an impact.



I think Bosa would have to dominate against their RT Taylor. He is the one who's always backing up early and getting penalties but not as many as he should.

Against the Ravens he had 2 or 3 holding penalties which killed KC drives or they'd have put up at least a couple more FGs.

So maybe he doesn't give up sacks but he will get flagged.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#572 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:45 pm

Speakers of former 49ers, this is a big blow to the Chiefs
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#573 » by Samurai » Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:17 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Along those lines, KC OG Joe Thuney was out this past weekend, and pretty likely to be out for the SB, too, from what I'm reading. That would be huge. He and Creed Humphrey at OC are two of the best IOL in the game right now. If he's out, we need those interior DL to make an impact.

Then again, Frank Ragnow (Lions' Pro Bowl center) was playing injured with knee and ankle injuries. If Hargrave, Armstead, and Kinlaw couldn't stop the run or generate significant interior pressure against a one-legged center, it is certainly not a given they will make an impact against the Chiefs even without Thuney. But it would be huge if our DL decides to show up in the Super Bowl, both to stop the run and make Mahomes uncomfortable. One big game from our DL could help silence their critics.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#574 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:25 am

Hire Belichick as DC?

Kyle’s one of a precious few who’d have the cache to do that without fear.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#575 » by 49er4life1979 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:08 am

So Steve Wilks told Maiocco that the halftime adjustment was more press man coverage which allowed the DL more time to get pressure. It also allowed LBs to play more downhill. So why the hell did he not do this the whole game? Instead he allowed the team to get picked apart by sitting in a soft zone. I remember after the bye week and the 3 game losing streak he went back to press man and it worked wonders. This defense has too much talent to look weak like they did.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#576 » by wco81 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:49 am

49er4life1979 wrote:So Steve Wilks told Maiocco that the halftime adjustment was more press man coverage which allowed the DL more time to get pressure. It also allowed LBs to play more downhill. So why the hell did he not do this the whole game? Instead he allowed the team to get picked apart by sitting in a soft zone. I remember after the bye week and the 3 game losing streak he went back to press man and it worked wonders. This defense has too much talent to look weak like they did.


Because you can only trust the secondary to play man only so long.

In fact it may have been one of the 4th down plays where the Lions motioned and saw a man follow so they assumed man coverage and had a couple of mesh drag routes.

But in fact the 49ers disguised their zone pre snap and the WRs didn't get open on the "man beater" routes they had called.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#577 » by arich35 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:54 am

49er4life1979 wrote:So Steve Wilks told Maiocco that the halftime adjustment was more press man coverage which allowed the DL more time to get pressure. It also allowed LBs to play more downhill. So why the hell did he not do this the whole game? Instead he allowed the team to get picked apart by sitting in a soft zone. I remember after the bye week and the 3 game losing streak he went back to press man and it worked wonders. This defense has too much talent to look weak like they did.


I remember that game he also showed some 5 man fronts and I believe he also had Bosa/Young standing over the center for a few snaps
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#578 » by Jikkle » Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:54 am

49er4life1979 wrote:So Steve Wilks told Maiocco that the halftime adjustment was more press man coverage which allowed the DL more time to get pressure. It also allowed LBs to play more downhill. So why the hell did he not do this the whole game? Instead he allowed the team to get picked apart by sitting in a soft zone. I remember after the bye week and the 3 game losing streak he went back to press man and it worked wonders. This defense has too much talent to look weak like they did.


Our DBs simply aren't suited for it and why they only play it in spruts. We've been chasing it for years because ideally you want to play it more often to give your pass rush that little bit of extra time it needs to get home. Because a lot of times the pass rush would get home but the balls out before they even really have a chance.

People forget that when Ryan became DC we all remember how the first half of the season went with all the PIs and big plays and that's because he wanted to play more aggressively with the secondary. The defense bounced back because he went back to basically what Saleh did and played that soft zone that we all know and love.

That's why I tend to give Wilks some benefit of the doubt because I think he's hampered by the people he has in what he really wants to do on defense. And like Ryan he too had to learn to dial it back because who he had couldn't do it.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#579 » by Jikkle » Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:07 am




Bring these up because it relates to what we could see with the Chief's defense.

I'm not thrilled to see KC but I still like our odds better against KC than I do the Ravens'

I just think the 9ers offense has a better chance against an aggressive defense like KC because Purdy is excellent at processing and processing blitzes and Kyle can scheme up things to burn an aggressive defense.

The Ravens' defense can just rush 4 and their backend is talented enough to keep up with our talent so it just nullifies Purdy's edge in processing because he's just processing that nobody is open and Kyle doesn't have as much to exploit with scheme.

I suspect Kyle is really going to want to put away at the outsides and get guys horizontal and probably some short passes to get guys like Deebo and CMC in space and force guys to chase them and force them to make tackles.
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Re: 2023 Season 

Post#580 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:21 pm

They've gotta come out with more of a gameplan similar to the Philly game. Shorter, quicker routes, play-action passes off of consistent runs. If the defense actually has a solid start, the offense can remain balanced and methodically pick apart the defense. And maybe set up a few deep shots. It seems that even facing an aggressive blitzing defense, there aren't many plays with quick hitters.
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