2024 Off-Season

[Big J]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

[CrimsonCrew]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.

[Big J]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.

That's because Salah is an idiot. Imagine what he'd do under Kyle with the weapons here.

[Samurai]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

Dobbs is 6-3.5 to Purdy's 6-0 (there was a poster who made a big deal about Purdy being too short) and ran a 4.64 40 (second fastest QB in his draft class) to Purdy's 4.84. There were probably critics complaining about Purdy being too slow and unathletic, so this should make that crowd happy as well. Bigger, faster - sounds more like an exact clone of Purdy and not "basically" a clone! If you are looking for "basically" a clone, Dobbs is closer to Trey Lance (6-4 height with a 4.69 40-time).

[Big J]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

Dobbs is 6-3.5 to Purdy's 6-0 (there was a poster who made a big deal about Purdy being too short) and ran a 4.64 40 (second fastest QB in his draft class) to Purdy's 4.84. There were probably critics complaining about Purdy being too slow and unathletic, so this should make that crowd happy as well. Bigger, faster - sounds more like an exact clone of Purdy and not "basically" a clone! If you are looking for "basically" a clone, Dobbs is closer to Trey Lance (6-4 height with a 4.69 40-time).

Riiiight. There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism. There isn't a single defender in the league that Dobbs strikes fear in with his legs or his arm. Josh Allen probably has similar measurements as Dobbs, yet is a completely different animal on the field.

[Harry Palmer]

There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.

This is you coming around on Purdy?

[Samurai]

There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.

This is you coming around on Purdy?

Sounds like it. Seems that Purdy doesn't have athletic measurements but still finished at the top of QB ratings on throws over 20 yards and managed to pick up big first downs in the playoffs with his legs despite not having great sprint times. And an admission that Trey Lance had athletic measurements but as noted, that is different from functional athleticism.

[Big J]

There's a difference between athletic measurements and functional athleticism.

This is you coming around on Purdy?

Sounds like it. Seems that Purdy doesn't have athletic measurements but still finished at the top of QB ratings on throws over 20 yards and managed to pick up big first downs in the playoffs with his legs despite not having great sprint times. And an admission that Trey Lance had athletic measurements but as noted, that is different from functional athleticism.

Purdy is a slightly more mobile Jimmy G. We never actually got to see Lance's athleticism because he barely played.

[Samurai]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.

[Big J]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.

5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.

[Samurai]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.

5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

[Big J]

Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, or at least the one in Dobbs' corner. He is getting a guaranteed $2.25M. Last year Darnold got $3.5M guaranteed to back-up Purdy. And assuming the Jets wouldn't eat any money on Wilson, the Niners would have had to pay him $5.45M.

5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

[Pattersonca65]

5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.

[Pattersonca65]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.

Here is a QB teammates don't seem to care for. A guy who just hasn't done anything. But but, it is Saleh's fault. He just needs more weapons. More upside again. Same stupidity on rewind.

[CrimsonCrew]

This is you coming around on Purdy?

Sounds like it. Seems that Purdy doesn't have athletic measurements but still finished at the top of QB ratings on throws over 20 yards and managed to pick up big first downs in the playoffs with his legs despite not having great sprint times. And an admission that Trey Lance had athletic measurements but as noted, that is different from functional athleticism.

Purdy is a slightly more mobile Jimmy G. We never actually got to see Lance's athleticism because he barely played.

That's just ignorant. Purdy is never going to be mistaken for Lamar, but he's got very good feel in the pocket and is very effective at eluding pressure in small spaces. Until the Detroit game, we hadn't seen him really use his legs as a weapon, but it appears he does have some ability to do that. If a team got pressure on Jimmy in the pocket and he couldn't get the ball out, the play was over. He's one of the least mobile guys in the game.

[Big J]

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.

Lances 5th year option would have been peanuts compared to what they are going to have to pay for Purdys next deal.

[CrimsonCrew]

Dobbs is basically a Purdy clone. Wilson at least has a higher upside.

And appears to be temperamentally unsuited to being a QB in the league. Maybe he'll handle the setback and grow up a little bit, but if someone gets to that point in life and hasn't demonstrated that ability, it's pretty dicey to take a chance on a hope that they change. Wilson has had a pretty talented roster, but has arguably declined as a player the longer he's been in the league.

That's because Salah is an idiot. Imagine what he'd do under Kyle with the weapons here.

I'm trying not to fall into complete hyperbole to counter yours, which, for the record, is not always easy.

I liked Wilson coming out. Much more so than Lance, and of the guys I watched film on that year (him, Lance, Fields, Jones), I thought he was clearly the best fit for Shanahan's system. He has a good arm - though not as strong as Fields and Lance - and was accurate. He could layer throws and use different arm angles. He appeared to be a strong leader, carrying his team at times. Fields was and is the better thrower of the football, but Wilson seemed to play better in structure than Fields, though I didn't scout Wilson as much as I figured he would go to the Jets. He was much more accurate than Lance, who has always had significant accuracy issues. Based on the film alone, Wilson was the guy I wanted if he was there, followed by Fields.

But there were always questions about him. Limited starting experience. Good arm, but not elite. Maybe the best OL in football, and he rarely got pressured. And he's been a disaster on and off the field in NY, raising legitimate questions about his physical tools at the NFL level and, more importantly, his ability to lead an NFL team. He also takes a ton of sacks.

Wilson's got physical ability that can't be taught, and sometimes guys just fall into bad situations and can rebound. That said, let's not pretend he didn't have at least a very solid supporting cast last year. Breece Hall played most of the season and is a really good RB. Garrett Wilson is an elite WR. Allen Lazard is a very solid player, though probably better as a great third guy than an average second guy. Tyler Conklin is solid at TE. It's not on the level of our collection of skill players, but it's definitely better than what his production showed. His OL dealt with some crucial injuries and was pretty bad, but so was ours outside of Williams.

Ultimately, I don't see much reason to expect dramatic improvement for him, and certainly not this upcoming year. Again, if we bring him in as a bargain-basement FA next year to compete for the third spot, totally fine with that.

[CrimsonCrew]

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.

Lances 5th year option would have been peanuts compared to what they are going to have to pay for Purdys next deal.

Sure, but Purdy may actually be worth it. He's looking like a really good QB, especially if we can actually shore up the interior OL for him. I agree there are concerns about paying him top dollar, but if he puts in another season like last year, you can't avoid it. All else being equal, you'd prefer the more physically talented player. But an approach that only considers physical talent would downgrade guys like Brady, Brees, maybe even Manning a team's detriment. From the neck up, Purdy is already looking elite.

[Samurai]

5.45 combined with Purdys salary is nothing to be paying a QB room in this league.

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).

None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.

[CrimsonCrew]

Completely missing the point. The Niners have significant cap concerns right now; you can't just say "that's nothing" and the cap magically disappears. Sure the team is benefitting from Purdy's rookie contract right now, which changes nothing about the need to work within the cap given or despite their present circumstances.

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).

None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.