2024 Off-Season

[RIPskaterdude]

Geez BA is going to get paid

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[Big J]

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).

None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

[RIPskaterdude]

Wish Trent Brown could have returned home

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[Pattersonca65]

I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).

None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

You are delusional

[Pattersonca65]

The bigger concern is whether they are going to pay Purdy after his rookie contact is up. If that happens this team is cooked.

Yea right. They should have paid Trey Lance his fifth year option so the third stringer can sit on the bench. But but he has great upside.

Lances 5th year option would have been peanuts compared to what they are going to have to pay for Purdys next deal.

Lance would have been way overpaid as a third stringer. Even Dallas won't pay it.

[Pattersonca65]

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

Lol, Lamar is such an elite guy he just chocked in the playoffs again. Only Mahomes has a SB.

[arich35]

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

You are delusional

Always has been.

[Big J]

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

Lol, Lamar is such an elite guy he just chocked in the playoffs again. Only Mahomes has a SB.

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

[Pattersonca65]

Lol, Lamar is such an elite guy he just chocked in the playoffs again. Only Mahomes has a SB.

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

LOL, sure they do. Lamar had an elite defense. He himself choked away twice in the playoffs. You are wrong again as always.

[Pattersonca65]

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

You are delusional

Always has been.

Always will be

[CrimsonCrew]

I fully expect that the Niners will extend Purdy when his rookie contract is up, which is why getting a Super Bowl this year is so important. Obviously a number of big contracts will have to be removed to make room for Purdy. Unless Purdy falls apart this season, he did finish 4th in MVP voting this past season and it isn't logical to assume that they will be able to find a cheaper QB among the top five in MVP voting. (I also have zero interest in whether YOU would pay Purdy because your agenda on Purdy has been made clear).

None of which changes my previous post that regardless of the size of the current QB contracts, the team is currently managing a tight amount of cap space, and thus there is a significant difference between $2.25M and $5.45M, which is what Wilson would be assuming the Jets don't eat any of that money. There were some arguing for Wilson as if the cap just magically disappeared, which isn't reality.

I think the team will have to extend Purdy next offseason. He has far outperformed his contract, and he would be certifiably insane to take the field on a contract that pays under a million dollars once he is eligible for a new contract. I can't think of any player who wouldn't hold out under those circumstances.

Why do we "have to extend" Purdy? Kyle could easily plug in another Jimmy G, Purdy type into his system and make the Superbowl. Those guys can be found on the bargain heap bin for peanuts. If we're going to pay top dollar to a QB it has to be a truly elite guy like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or Lamar. Getting one of those guys was the whole reason for moving up to draft Lance.

We don't have to extend him, but I would not expect him to take the field without an extension, so we'd better have a succession plan.

Purdy was elite by almost any metric this past year. Physical tools are absolutely important. They are one part of the puzzle. Purdy has shown he has sufficient physical tools that, combined with his mental skills, make for a very good NFL QB.

[CrimsonCrew]

Lol, Lamar is such an elite guy he just chocked in the playoffs again. Only Mahomes has a SB.

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

He did plenty of carrying in the NFC Championship game.

Let's consider the supporting casts of the QBs in the championship games.

Mahomes played opposite the best defense in the league this past year. Without their stellar play, no chance he wins the SB this year. He produced 17 points against Baltimore, and 19 regulation points against us. He needed the D to keep those games close. He also has probably the best receiving TE in NFL history and a strong run game (this year).

Jackson played opposite an elite defense. He played behind probably a top-3 OL. He had a very strong run game. He had a deep and versatile group of receiving options. He produced ten points in the championship game.

Goff played behind probably the best OL in the league. He had a great 1-2 punch in the league at RB. He had an elite WR and TE, and several solid receivers behind that.

These guys all had exceptional supporting casts. Only one of them won the SB.

[Big J]

Lol, Lamar is such an elite guy he just chocked in the playoffs again. Only Mahomes has a SB.

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

He did plenty of carrying in the NFC Championship game.

Let's consider the supporting casts of the QBs in the championship games.

Mahomes played opposite the best defense in the league this past year. Without their stellar play, no chance he wins the SB this year. He produced 17 points against Baltimore, and 19 regulation points against us. He needed the D to keep those games close. He also has probably the best receiving TE in NFL history and a strong run game (this year).

Jackson played opposite an elite defense. He played behind probably a top-3 OL. He had a very strong run game. He had a deep and versatile group of receiving options. He produced ten points in the championship game.

Goff played behind probably the best OL in the league. He had a great 1-2 punch in the league at RB. He had an elite WR and TE, and several solid receivers behind that.

These guys all had exceptional supporting casts. Only one of them won the SB.

Lol, Mahomes receiving corps was absolute dog bleep all year, and his running backs were no names compared to CMAC. His O Line was mostly garbage. Sure, Kelce is great, but even he is no longer as good as he used to be. He had a good D, but that does nothing to make you look good on his side of the field.

[Pattersonca65]

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

He did plenty of carrying in the NFC Championship game.

Let's consider the supporting casts of the QBs in the championship games.

Mahomes played opposite the best defense in the league this past year. Without their stellar play, no chance he wins the SB this year. He produced 17 points against Baltimore, and 19 regulation points against us. He needed the D to keep those games close. He also has probably the best receiving TE in NFL history and a strong run game (this year).

Jackson played opposite an elite defense. He played behind probably a top-3 OL. He had a very strong run game. He had a deep and versatile group of receiving options. He produced ten points in the championship game.

Goff played behind probably the best OL in the league. He had a great 1-2 punch in the league at RB. He had an elite WR and TE, and several solid receivers behind that.

These guys all had exceptional supporting casts. Only one of them won the SB.

Lol, Mahomes receiving corps was absolute dog bleep all year, and his running backs were no names compared to CMAC. His O Line was mostly garbage. Sure, Kelce is great, but even he is no longer as good as he used to be. He had a good D, but that does nothing to make you look good on his side of the field.

Oline mostly garage? They are among the leagues best units. Now Ds don't matter. You are full of crap

[CrimsonCrew]

Yes, but all of those guys actually have the ability to carry a non stacked roster to a Super Bowl. Purdy doesn't.

He did plenty of carrying in the NFC Championship game.

Let's consider the supporting casts of the QBs in the championship games.

Mahomes played opposite the best defense in the league this past year. Without their stellar play, no chance he wins the SB this year. He produced 17 points against Baltimore, and 19 regulation points against us. He needed the D to keep those games close. He also has probably the best receiving TE in NFL history and a strong run game (this year).

Jackson played opposite an elite defense. He played behind probably a top-3 OL. He had a very strong run game. He had a deep and versatile group of receiving options. He produced ten points in the championship game.

Goff played behind probably the best OL in the league. He had a great 1-2 punch in the league at RB. He had an elite WR and TE, and several solid receivers behind that.

These guys all had exceptional supporting casts. Only one of them won the SB.

Lol, Mahomes receiving corps was absolute dog bleep all year, and his running backs were no names compared to CMAC. His O Line was mostly garbage. Sure, Kelce is great, but even he is no longer as good as he used to be. He had a good D, but that does nothing to make you look good on his side of the field.

Two things. First, Mahomes is the best in the league - maybe the best ever - and he's paid like it. So yes, his supporting cast is not as good as Purdy's, nor should we expect it to be.

Second, no argument that on offense, Mahomes didn't have a ton supporting him. His OTs were pretty bad, though at least in the super bowl the officials let them hold with impunity, which largely offset that weakness. His interior OL and his TE were quite good. He had one good - not great - WR, and not much behind that. And he had a good - not great - RB.

But his D was so good that he barely had to do anything to win games. He scored one TD in regulation in the super bowl and won. In the second half of the AFC Championship game, his offense generated 125 yards and no points. They ran a single offensive play on the Ravens' side of the field before Mahomes hit MVS and knelt it out. If the opposing offenses were able to score against that D, he wouldn't have sniffed the title.

The point is that none of these guys can do it alone, and Purdy's cast was not head-and-shoulders better than what other guys had.

[CrimsonCrew]

I hate to blame officiating, but if our LBs had just bear-hugged Kelce at the LOS, we win that game easily. Their OTs effectively did that for four quarters, but inexplicably we were called for holding twice and they were not called at all.

Only one of MANY factors that went into the loss, and I say this not to let the Niners off the hook, but letting a team offset arguably their most glaring weakness through blatant cheating is completely bogus and the league should be - but of course will not be - embarrassed by it.

[Pattersonca65]

Wish Trent Brown could have returned home

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I don't see any way that would happen. He really isn't Shanahan's kind of lineman. While Brown is seen as nimble for someone his size, Shanahan prefers guys more athletic that are quicker and get out and run block in space. Add to that he's had difficulty keeping his weight under control during his career. There were also questions about his work ethic and ability to grasp Shanahan's playbook. In the end Shanahan didn't want him, I suspect he still wouldn't have any interest.

[Pattersonca65]

Wish Trent Brown could have returned home

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I don't see any way that would happen. He really isn't Shanahan's kind of lineman. While Brown is seen as nimble for someone his size, Shanahan prefers guys more athletic that are quicker and get out and run block in space. Add to that he's had difficulty keeping his weight under control during his career. There were also questions about his work ethic and ability to grasp Shanahan's playbook. In the end Shanahan didn't want him, I suspect he still wouldn't have any interest.

This doesn't look good on Brown

https://sports.yahoo.com/led-trent-browns-healthy-scratch-224904272.html

[CrimsonCrew]

Wrestled with whether to post this in this thread or the Shanahan thread. Figured it touches on enough bigger team stuff that it should go here.

No surprise to anyone who has followed the team, but Shanahan is extremely rigid and set in his ways. I think that's got to change and he has to show more flexibility on the offensive side of the ball. I have touched on this in other posts/threads, but one big place where this has to change - assuming we have designs on going forward with Purdy - is his inflexibility pre-snap. At least this past season, it sure seemed the Purdy could not adjust the play at the snap.

I know Shanahan would say that every play has a solution built into it, and it's the job of the players and the QB especially to get to that, but that can't be the end of it. If Purdy could have audibled into a run on the 3rd and 5 coming out of halftime, I'm almost certain we pick it up and win the game. Even if he or Kittle ran it (because they inexplicably had Kittle in the backfield instead of McCaffrey on the biggest play of the season). The Chiefs had two defenders - both LBs - inside the tackles and within ten yards of the LOS. You simply have to run the ball in that situation, especially against a blitz-happy, sticky man-coverage team.

If Shanahan is not willing to give Purdy that flexibility, then you are limiting the benefit Purdy brings as a cerebral player who sees the field well, has great feeling and anticipation, and should be able to become a coach on the field if he continues his trajectory to date. Take that away from him, and he almost certainly can't match the top tier of athletic QB. The hope is that, as Purdy gets more experience, Shanahan trusts him more with that. I'm not certain whether Matt Ryan was allowed to audible or not. May have to go back to some film. But Shanahan has not shown that openness with the Niners (not shocking with Jimmy G. at QB).

I think the use of Aiyuk factors into this inflexibility. I will start off by saying that I have not reviewed the film to confirm this - nor do I really intend to - but Aiyuk has perhaps fairly received some criticism for not stepping up when Deebo has been hurt. However, unlike many of the top WRs in the league who are used in a variety of ways to make them hard to defend, we basically only ever use Aiyuk in one role. He is the X receiver, he lines up split out on the LOS. And that's what he always is.

Teams like Dallas use Ceedee Lamb in a variety of ways. They line him up in the slot (a lot) to give him more room to maneuver. They motion him. They move him around the formation to get favorable matchups. We don't ever seem to do that with Aiyuk. And look, Aiyuk is excellent at the X position. That's why he had the incredibly efficient season he had. But when Deebo isn't out there, the Aiyuk usage is too predictable and other teams can take him away. Aiyuk runs excellent routes and is very good against both man and zone. He's an ideal X. But he's not limited to that.

Coming out of college, Aiyuk was known as a YAK player. He can do a lot more of that if we give him opportunities. I'm not saying he can ever be prime Deebo after the catch, but he can be very good if we give him more of the screens and short crossers that Deebo feasts on. His primary usage should still be the deep crossers and occasional gos and fades, but don't limit him to that. To be fair, I think a lot of the reason why we do that is because Deebo can't survive as the X, and needs the free release and some of the gimmicky stuff to really produce at the highest level. But we shouldn't limit Aiyuk because Deebo is limited. Especially when Deebo goes out of games.

I'd really like to add a receiver who is similar to Aiyuk in terms of versatility in the draft (this draft is CRAZY deep at receiver) so we have two starters who can threaten from multiple receiver spots. I know our offense is somewhat complex, but these guys need to be able to play more than one position. There is a parallel in our Aiyuk usage to what Kingsbury did to DeAndre Hopkins. He just lined him up at the same spot every play, and teams could very easily gameplan to shut down Hopkins. That worked well, because Hopkins was the #1 option by a mile. Aiyuk isn't. But if we're going to sign him to the big-money contract he deserves, we need to start treating him more like one and help him perform when there aren't as many threats on the field to draw the defense's eyes. And as with the limits to date on Purdy, if we're not using Aiyuk as creatively as we are Deebo, then he won't be worth the contract he's going to get.

Anyway, long rant, but it's an area where we we need to see growth from Kyle if we want to start having success with fewer blue chip players.

[Harry Palmer]

Unfortunately it appears the Armistead/Niners break up was anything but amicable. EA says he felt ‘extremely disrespected’ by the Niners one year 9 mill offer. So much for the blueprint, I guess.