Bigman thread

[Angel strike1]

What makes u think reddick and craw won't be I fishing games

[mttwlsn16]

I say cp3, one of reddick/craw, one of Barnes/dud (depends if on D or O), Blake and DJ look like the current finishers

[og15]

What makes u think reddick and craw won't be I fishing games

The fact that the defense at SF will be atrocious and the best perimeter rebounder will be Chris Paul and that it is kind of redundant.

What I meant by play-maker is that Crawford is one of the few Clippers players that can actually make a play for himself- which is his role on the team- he can get his own shot. He is also a decent passer- he especially has chemistry with Barnes. If Crawford doesn't play enough, it puts a lot of pressure on CP3 to make plays.

I think you're short changing Redick as just a catch and shoot player. Blake can create for himself, and while Bledsoe is a better all-round player, Collison is a better offensive player with 15 pts and 6 assists per 36 with good scoring efficiency who can put the ball on the floor and create for others more so than Bledsoe.

He was assisted on 37.5% of his makes last season, he's creating his scoring as a lot of on the ball PG's do. Even Crawford who loves on the ball action still played more catch and shoot than Collison, getting assisted on 56.6% of his makes and he doesn't create as much for others.

Redick can create scoring opportunities, but he doesn't have to be on the ball to do so. He's capable of putting the ball on the floor and using the pick and roll to get shots for himself and others though. He didn't average 4.4 assists in 31.5 minutes with Orlando without that ability.

End games will most likely be:
Paul
Redick or Crawford
Dudley or Barnes

At the 1-3, it makes little sense to have both, and since Paul will be on the ball, the better catch and shoot and defensive guy in Dudley makes far more sense than Jamal as well as the better off ball guy and shooter in Redick, but you could put Jamal to have a secondary creator or just run good plays so you aren't doing iso ball to end games


Back to big men, Jermaine O'neal to the Warriors.

[Roscoe Sheed]

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Yes, back to big men

I wanted J. O'Neal.

The Clips have few options left at the 4/5

If it comes down to Odom/Jamison- they should take Odom

I don't really want Brand back, but they should think about him too

The front office kind of dropped the ball in this department during the off season thus far

[Sofia]

Get steamer.

[og15]

Supposedly there are 12 teams after him. Hopefully Doc can convince him to come here, but his vet minimum is low since he has 2 years experience.

[TheNewEra]

Think there is a reason they atr still waiting to sign somekne . I would suspect a new name is possible to be had.

[QRich3]

I hope life is treating him well, hopefully he isn't too sad about the likely reduced role. I can assume he realizes that he isn't the slotted guy to finish off games at SG anymore and that Redick will demand more minutes than Green or Billups did. Being a 6th man is generally different than being a bench player. A lot of 6th men get to finish games and play just under starters minutes, but now he's most likely more of a bench player.

He's probably going to play the lowest minutes he's played in a while, but he should realize that he's also 33 and a single position player who's defense is suspect. He could earn himself minutes by committing fully to defense though, but he's 13 years in, that time has passed.

If he had ever taken some time to put on a little weight (still seems under 200 lbs at 6'6) and get stronger, he had the length (6'5.5", 6'10 wingspan, 8'6.5" standing reach) to be a SG/SF, but he's never done that and no one is asking that at 33 and 13 years or whatever it is into his career. In general he could have maximized his value by defending and embracing being a PG/playmaker, that could have made him a capable 1-3 and when you have multi positional ability, you have greater minutes potential.

Crawford was an average defender last season. He put effort forth and made some sound plays. His only major weaknesses were getting hung out on screens a bit too often and being too weak to guard strong 2 guards and 3s. It is not like Redick is some defensive juggernaut. Crawford should still get around 30 minutes a game and play a lot at the end of games- he is the Clippers best play maker besides CP3 and is very clutch. I'd rahter have him in at the end of games than Redick. Doc better not reduce his role too much or worse yet be interested in trading him.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this one, I think Crawford's defense is WAY below average, as in possibly one of the top 5 worst defenders in the whole league and a major liability that every team we played against tried to exploit. He is prone to ball watching when he's off the ball (actually prone is an understatement), he has no clue how to move his feet to contain penetration and looks like a headless chicken whenever he has to rotate or switch on a P&R.

Actually Vinny was quite clever all year in the way he changed line ups and rotations to hide Crawford's defensive awfulness. Look at the Grizzlies series for instance, whenever he was on the floor he would be guarding Allen, and as soon as Hollins recognized that he usually put Bayless in (even if that'd hurt the Grizs defensively as well). He obviously couldn't guard him so Vinny always put him on Prince (or even Arthur when he was on the court), but our other wing would be constantly watching to double up or switch onto Prince, cause he'd murder Crawford at the slightest chance.

Remember that close game we lost against OKC in the regular season? the one where Ibaka punched Blake's balls? we lost that game because OKC went right at Crawford in the last two plays, even when Vinny was trying to hide him from the ball. Crawford of course preceeded to botch both plays and leave his man open on the pick and roll, resulting on an open layup at the basket for Ibaka and a wide open jump shot by Westbrook from the baseline.

And I love Crawford as much as anyone, watching him go one on one against a whole defense and still getting easy baskets is a delight. But only for the reason that he makes our team an easy target to score against, he can't be put on the same tier as someone like Redick. And it's not that Redick is a great defender or anything, but he at least gives maximum effort and solid defensive fundamentals, even if his athletic ability is not too great either.

Again, I love the guy and hope we can be succesful with him as a 6th man, but if his ego doesn't allow him to realise he can't be a major piece on a good team, I'll be happy to test the market for him (he's more or less an expiring this year so shouldn't be hard to move).

[QRich3]

Apologies for continuing the derailing there...

I'm equally hopeful and scared of our lack of big men so far... Scared because the market is only shrinking and there's very few big men left on a free agent class that was already thin to begin with. And hopeful because Doc doesn't seem to care at all about it and I definitely trust his instincts more than mine.

I don't know what he sees exactly but he looks like he's put A LOT of trust on Deandre for next season, and for the way he speaks he also seems to be confident about playing small for large stretches. I'm thinking Blake is gonna spend a lot of time at C next year, which is something I don't like at all, but if Doc's decided it I'm ready to trust the decision.

I didn't see much of Stiemsma when he was on the Celtics, but I saw him a bunch of times last year in Minnesota and he was really bad. eager to gamble on weakside blocks leaving his man open under the basket, and too trigger happy on a midrange shot that never seemed to fall in (or close to it for that matter). So we either get Brand, or bring back Odom, or do some unexpected trade, or I'm gonna be very nervous about our chances.

[ProDough]

Davies maybe??? lol ...I'm eagerly awaiting my bleached report update saying who they decided to pick up...

[donudon]

Doesn't our TPE expire tomorrow? Can't we get someone like Mozgov, Ayon (or anyone from the bucks), or Collins for it or are we just not gonna use it? In any case, I'll just have to trust our FO on shoring up our front court because they've been doing a really great job this offseason.

[mike3]

we should just go for the biggest body dude out there.. literally use him once in a blue moon to throw elbows at guys like Zbo

[og15]

Crawford was an average defender last season. He put effort forth and made some sound plays. His only major weaknesses were getting hung out on screens a bit too often and being too weak to guard strong 2 guards and 3s. It is not like Redick is some defensive juggernaut. Crawford should still get around 30 minutes a game and play a lot at the end of games- he is the Clippers best play maker besides CP3 and is very clutch. I'd rahter have him in at the end of games than Redick. Doc better not reduce his role too much or worse yet be interested in trading him.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this one, I think Crawford's defense is WAY below average, as in possibly one of the top 5 worst defenders in the whole league and a major liability that every team we played against tried to exploit. He is prone to ball watching when he's off the ball (actually prone is an understatement), he has no clue how to move his feet to contain penetration and looks like a headless chicken whenever he has to rotate or switch on a P&R.

Actually Vinny was quite clever all year in the way he changed line ups and rotations to hide Crawford's defensive awfulness. Look at the Grizzlies series for instance, whenever he was on the floor he would be guarding Allen, and as soon as Hollins recognized that he usually put Bayless in (even if that'd hurt the Grizs defensively as well). He obviously couldn't guard him so Vinny always put him on Prince (or even Arthur when he was on the court), but our other wing would be constantly watching to double up or switch onto Prince, cause he'd murder Crawford at the slightest chance.

Remember that close game we lost against OKC in the regular season? the one where Ibaka punched Blake's balls? we lost that game because OKC went right at Crawford in the last two plays, even when Vinny was trying to hide him from the ball. Crawford of course preceeded to botch both plays and leave his man open on the pick and roll, resulting on an open layup at the basket for Ibaka and a wide open jump shot by Westbrook from the baseline.

And I love Crawford as much as anyone, watching him go one on one against a whole defense and still getting easy baskets is a delight. But only for the reason that he makes our team an easy target to score against, he can't be put on the same tier as someone like Redick. And it's not that Redick is a great defender or anything, but he at least gives maximum effort and solid defensive fundamentals, even if his athletic ability is not too great either.

Again, I love the guy and hope we can be succesful with him as a 6th man, but if his ego doesn't allow him to realise he can't be a major piece on a good team, I'll be happy to test the market for him (he's more or less an expiring this year so shouldn't be hard to move).

Lol, I was just trying to be nice about Crawford's defense, you just had to to and expose it. But I agreed that Redick is a superior defender. Redick plays good defense but doesn't have the physical tools for it to always pan put, he's at worst an average defender. Crawford is a below average to poor defender, he really is, if he wasn't, he would be a much more desirable player for teams.

[og15]

Apologies for continuing the derailing there...

I'm equally hopeful and scared of our lack of big men so far... Scared because the market is only shrinking and there's very few big men left on a free agent class that was already thin to begin with. And hopeful because Doc doesn't seem to care at all about it and I definitely trust his instincts more than mine.

I don't know what he sees exactly but he looks like he's put A LOT of trust on Deandre for next season, and for the way he speaks he also seems to be confident about playing small for large stretches. I'm thinking Blake is gonna spend a lot of time at C next year, which is something I don't like at all, but if Doc's decided it I'm ready to trust the decision.

I didn't see much of Stiemsma when he was on the Celtics, but I saw him a bunch of times last year in Minnesota and he was really bad. eager to gamble on weakside blocks leaving his man open under the basket, and too trigger happy on a midrange shot that never seemed to fall in (or close to it for that matter). So we either get Brand, or bring back Odom, or do some unexpected trade, or I'm gonna be very nervous about our chances.

Stiemsma was better with Boston for sure, but he's gone to New Orleans now. Brand is the perfect fit left, but there has been little news on that, so I don't really know how possible it is.

I think Brand would be a good ending to the off-season, though it seems like Doc does want a big that can shoot there's also.

Paul / Collison
Redick / Crawford
Dudley / Barnes
Griffin / Brand
Jordan / Brand / Hollins

You can run a 9 man rotation consisting of everyone but Hollins. If Bullock really impresses, you might start to try and find minutes for him. Redick, Bullock and Dudley are Doc guys, Barnes just got signed, so if it gets crowded at the 2/3, clearly Crawford becomes the odd man out. Not sure if he will be as effective in a more structured system like Doc as he was in a more free lance system that Vinny allowed for him to run when with the bench.

Doesn't our TPE expire tomorrow? Can't we get someone like Mozgov, Ayon (or anyone from the bucks), or Collins for it or are we just not gonna use it? In any case, I'll just have to trust our FO on shoring up our front court because they've been doing a really great job this offseason.

Ayon would be nice, though he's also a bad FT shooter and a bit turnover prone . Exception isn't enough for Mozgov, and I'm not sure if you can use an exception in a sign and trade, I think it has to be for a player already under contract. Collins as in Jason Collins? He sucks.

[mttwlsn16]

^in more than one way

[Angel strike1]

^in more than one way

[QRich3]

Lol, I was just trying to be nice about Crawford's defense, you just had to to and expose it. But I agreed that Redick is a superior defender. Redick plays good defense but doesn't have the physical tools for it to always pan put, he's at worst an average defender. Crawford is a below average to poor defender, he really is, if he wasn't, he would be a much more desirable player for teams.

haha yeah I probably was a bit harsh on him. His offense can be very useful if utilized properly - last year we had a good taste of it - and I've gotten really fond of him. But it's true his defense is a major weakness, and when/if we get to the later rounds of the playoffs those kind of weak spots are what makes a team fall. I mean, watching this years finals and how tactically sound every possesion was, how both coaches were adjusting after almost every play, I can't see us getting away with him playing more than a few minutes, and never when the game is on the line.

Brand would be a really nice fit but there might be too much bad blood with him and I understand if they don't want to bring him back. I still hate him a little bit actually.

I've read that the FO wants to take it slowly and leave a roster spot open in case someone unexpected is free, like it happened with Barnes last year. I want to think they have someone specific in mind and they're not just gambling, is there any good big man that could be bought out this offseason?

[illastrate]

Sterling needs to swallow his pride and bring back Brand. What happened 5 years ago should be water under the bridge by now. Brand is easily one of the best bigs available, the FA list is dwindling and Clips don't wanna get caught having to sign end of the bench fillers.

[azncorruptedo17]

Sterling needs to swallow his pride and bring back Brand. What happened 5 years ago should be water under the bridge by now. Brand is easily one of the best bigs available, the FA list is dwindling and Clips don't wanna get caught having to sign end of the bench fillers.

he better take super minimum. i'm still quite bitter about that myself. lol

[Roscoe Sheed]

Al Harrington might be bought out by Orlando. He would be a nice pick up. A better version of Jamison- less of a defensive liability and just as good if not a better shooter